When we get to Zindra, are we going to have any customers?

Oh, please ...

If you do have 1.23 handy to run, uncheck all but adult in places search, and enter some catch-all search terms like "the" to find some of the private regions that have already flagged themselves (some jumped over before they absolutely had to). Then you get to see how some of these places are actually doing in these early days. So far it looks to me like a mix of busy and dead spots, just like the rest of the grid.

That is still the case about age verification and the CC companies, however LL are calling it account verification, except people are confusing it with the Aristotle age verification

We have built a really good wiki around all these changes with all the information available in condensed form here:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Hope this helps a bit

Don't forget also that xstreet is filtering some adult words, check out our new web store at http://www.slapt.me as we are adult merchant friendly

You could ask the store owners over there in the other
Disney-esque Linden planned community of Bay City how
that's working out.

-i

This is what I envision, with the senerio of merging the teen grid with the reg. SL.
That all of this is in preparation for.

The Adult area will be valuable to others non shoppers too (residential) and simple hanging out. That this will be a place where underage will not access. (laughs we all know they will, but in theory) A place where we don't have to deal with kids. In a sort it would then become a mini old SL within SL. Just a thought

oh and I do hope they move me I have some adult content, but I heard they may deny some?

I swear I think I kill threads ....

From what I've read, about 10% of users currently have payment info on file, so most users won't be able to shop on Zindra. Some may add payment info, or go through the Aristotle thing, but I reckon the potential customer base on Zindra will be well under half of the population who currently use SL.

They won't need to shop on Xstreet - they'll still be able to buy naughty stuff on the normal mainland. Send them all to my store

I've been running Sindy's scanner for over 3 months now and the stats show me that around 60% are PIOF. Although in the last week it's risen to 70%. It could just be a blip so I'm not going to make any assumptions on that yet.

The problem with the linden stats is that it includes all accounts rather than just the active ones. So, as always, treat any LL stat with suspicion.

When I did an analysis of my sales from february/march I found around 10% of my total sales (from both inworld shops and xsl) went to npiof and interestingly only one sale from xsl during that period went to a npiof and only a couple were gifted.

However, it may be the end of the world for some who service specialist communities where disposable alts are the norm. We won't know until after the move.

What I do suggest for people who do specialise in this kind of areas is to make all your goods transferable. I suspect a lot of the npiof do have a verified account somewhere that they can use if they need to get into zindra to buy something.

It seems extremely likely that clubs that rely on npiof and are moving will be very badly hit. Unless their customers suddenly all take on the mantle of the king.

Fair enough. I don't do any checking myself, so I can only go on what I read.

According to your figures, and apart from the possible blip, businesses that move to Zindra will have a 40% reduction in potential customers. It's still a huge reduction, and one that may not recover since the naughty stuff will be available on normal mainland.

no, according to my figures I may have a 40% reduction in traffic and a 10% reduction in sales. (see my para 3). eta: and yes, they may be potential customers but only 25% of them ever translate into actual sales to that account.

However, I sell goods. For those who sell services and have malls attached their percentage of npiof's a substantially higher. They have a right to be panicking around now.

how many sims are there..like 460 or so?

It would be interesting to see if traffic has changed on private estates that have converted to Adult.

I went to zindra and was NOT impressed... I rezzed my motorcycle and spent 90% of the time spinning out of control. The buildings are ugly and there is not style at all... YUCK!

I will shop for my adult items on Xstreet. Since I have no want to go to escorts or strip clubs.... well... I have no reason to go....

That's good advice. I, on the other hand, intend to do exactly the opposite. My plan is to offer non-transferable bargains, deeply discounted from the same stuff I'll be selling at a sub-Adult location, with prominent signs about how much they could save on Zindra. Then they can decide whether they really want to spend extra to avoid putting payment info on file or buying a few L$s on Xstreet.

Obviously this would be a very bad strategy if I cared as much about making L$s as I do about getting people to Zindra.

I tried to age verify about a year ago, and it didn't work. The borough I live in changed the name of the street I live on about two years ago, and I'm guessing that's my problem as it comes up occasionally with other things. Last night I tried for about 30 minutes to age verify, and gave up. I'm not willing to send LL full copied documents, such as my driver's liscense or passport, just so I can go their designated porn spot.

I won't be buying anything there because I can't get there to buy anything even if I wanted to.

You don't have payment info on file, either? And you've never used PayPal or a credit card on XstreetSL? Any of that works, too.

This is an example of how differently people interpret stuff. Ry...I'm not dissing you, I like your stuff. But I would've said that pretty much ALL of it is "adult content".

/me slowly backs away and stumbles into the clutches of one of your Tentacle Monsters.

I suspect most people with the npiof are alts of a main account that does - after all with camping and gambling out the door where are they going to get their money from? hmmm???

not all of my avs are verified because they don't need it. Only the accounts I need to be able to operate my shops and test my goods are ready to go. It was grudging because I should be able to tie them all to the primary account and not have to stuff around as I did.

and asking people with 20 or more rp avs to put payment info on is not realistic.

I'm hoping that if they want something then they'll fire up the verified account and come shopping. Your way is exactly the same, except you'll gouge people who can't or won't verify and chose to stay on the mature mainland.

Until they lock down xsl (which they're now looking at) at least people can shop and gift to the correct av from there. The only thing I don't like about that is that LL get a 5% commission so they're being rewarded for disadvantaging people. But then, what else is new?

Zindra will received a reduced potential audience due to the non-verifieds (or PIOF), but at the same time they'll enjoy the highest density of PIOF's on the grid. A person that is PIOF is a potential shopper...someone that could buy Lindens....so a big plus point!

The last figure i saw was the one that Ceera published on the Linden threads, it showed PIOF's less than 10% of active users.....but out of that active user pool there would have been a ton of ALT and Bot a/c's......so PIOF might be higher percentage of NET real avie accounts....maybe 20-30%...who knows, but i doubt anymore than that! This verification process could push that % even higher as people opt for PIOF as opposed to Aristotle.....that's one of the only plus points coming out of this Policy change imo.




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i think the private islands will do better than zindra as far as attendance for PIOF for adult content to say the truth..

If only it were that easy. I have payment info on file, and that does not work for age verification. I've actually used several different credit cards over the last year for payment of my premium membership, and that's not good enough.

PIOF is not supposed to work for *age verification*.

It's for *account verification*.

Either *account* or *age* verification should be enough to let you into Zindra.

It doesn't, and I'm not the only one having the problem. I figure a lot of people who live in areas, like I do, that do not have street addresses or verifiable resident will have problems.

You're right, and I was wrong. Perhaps the two times I tried to TP in before something else was going on, but I was able to enter (pun intended) Zindra tonight. I couldn't before.

Thanks for clearing that up for me