age verification

And?

How does that change the fact the verifier is still a data mining company that sells the gathered data to companies?

Besides, there is nothing preventing me from just doing that for a random name out of the phone book for verification purposes.

The system to be honest, will never work. So why bother with something that would result in even more junk mail in my box?

Just to make sure it's clear: the Adult Content policy applies to private islands as well. Estate owners may lose their accounts if they fail to tag full regions Adult as required.

In your country, maybe - not in mine. Any information I were to give Aristotle in this context couldn't possibly be checked against existing records because it's not information they're privy to. I'd be providing them with new information which, technically, they're not entitled to, and I'm certainly unwilling to give.


~ which is all well and good, because you know exactly why you're doing it, and I hope you pull it off (looks furtively around to see whether any Lindens are listening).

Most people, however, are getting the wrong end of the stick because of LL's refusals to advise the population generally of what's going on, which results in people slapping age verification on their place because they think they have to or something.

Hence, the PG parcel I tried to enter last week, only to find that it required age verification - I mean, how much more ridiculous can this whole thing get?

If you are talking about the US, then this is really no longer true. Per the Drivers Privacy Protection Act, passed sometime in the 90s, drivers license numbers are no longer allowed to be just handed out.

Granted, there are already a ton of data mining companies that already have the info, but legally they can no longer give it out except in the specific (and lengthy) list of instances documented in the DPPA.

The bigger fear should just be that the more databases that have your private information, the more places there are to be hacked.

QFT. The places that you give your info to legitimately aren't secure it seems any more. Even Government Databases are getting hacked, laptops are being "lost" in airports, etc. No matter what privacy laws your country may have.

There are reasons it is necessary to give my info up, for banking and other essential services, but to play a computer game is not one of them.

If you are into adult extreme stuff, verify if you want to I guess. Honestly I doubt it matters much.

Hey, how many of you have given a credit card to a waiter?

It's the riskiest thing you could ever possibly do, really ~ you are giving your CC info with validation # on the back, and a copy of your RL sig to someone you do NOT know, who clearly could use the money. Think about it.

I'm a credit card processor with my RL biz, and it is *nothing* to run a card ~ literally you can process a charge over a Paypal Payflow Link browser terminal with nothing more than the number, the expiration date, and whatever you have the guts to charge. No name required.

If they don't notice and don't ask for a chargeback, guess what... the money's gone.

Of course, that is a great way to get yourself tossed into prison I am pretty sure, because the credit card companies know whose merchant account it is.

But in the case of a waiter or shop clerk... hey, the register balanced that night, they walk off with some cash... If caught they say "whoops sorry, mistakes happen!"... yeah.

Think about it. People run 10x the risk of fraud/theft every day and don't even think twice.




I've been thinking of getting some land on Ursula and having a pony club. You know, regular horses, tack, stables and things.

A friend is thinking of having a plumbing supply store. Nipple wrenches, hose clamps, ballcocks, bolts and nuts.

Finally I think we should have a historic build representing old Salem.

All of this would be rated G, of course.

See, that's the thing; I am age verified because I don't want anybody telling me I 'can't' go anywhere I please inworld, whether I ever do go or not.

Whenever I get a new credit card, I enter the CVC number into an encrypted file, and black it out on the card. It doesn't eliminate the risk, but it does reduce it.

I also make it a point to use one card for online purchases and another card for face-to-face purchases. That makes it easier to detect surprise charges.

Not only that, but there are devices that the card can be swiped thru that will read the encoded strip and create that on a new card. Our credit card info was stolen this way in Mexico. The new cards were then used at a few stores in 3 locations across the country -- all three locations in a different direction and many many miles apart. That was my bank card - last time I have ever used my bank card for anything outside my home area and I never ever let anyone actually take the card anymore. Money comes out of the bank account fast, and even with fraud report filings, it could run you into the negative. Luckily my bank has a very good fraud detection department and they called me on the third charge, due to the location the charges were coming from.

I now restrict all traveling charges to a single card. I notify the credit card company ahead of time about where we are going and for how long and what type of charges should be considered normal. And I insist that they must talk to me, and verify all sorts of personal and account information, before authorizing any single charge over a couple of hundred dollars. I then check the charges online daily if I can, immediately upon return and for a few days after that. The credit card companies do not want to be out this money either, so they are very willing to do this.

I no longer own any credit cards. I use a debit card linked to it's own account that is used strictly for that card. I only keep as much money in it as needed. The credit card companies can rot in Hell as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think it's that giving one's CC to LL is any more or less risky than giving it to an online merchant, or in person at a store/restaurant. I think it's had more to do with people feeling the sudden need to be tagged, pinned down and named feels a bit creepy.

I've been PIOF for a while, but I'd never do Aristotle (not even when he was alive).

they system don't work to be honest for doing anything.

As long as you can... listen to certain advertisements and get a person's ssn and name due to their ID protection service ads ...

It's a legit US SSN and name, so anyone can now verify.

I heard it on the 1.fm station I was listening to and snickered...

Same data can now be used by billions to bypass all verification systems out there that need the data...

It's not age verification, it's data verification to cover LL's butt

The current system is still in Beta, and non functional as it seems you can verify accounts by using a random name, drivers licence numbers and address in a real street.
I wonder if they will reverify everyone currently verified when the system goes online or just automatically kick those who fail as they are checked.

well considering the system can't verify a good portion of the world's data, with legit data...

The system will be in beta till there is a world wide ID database to verify against, and even then... nothing says the data given belongs to the user

It's only good for shushing politicians and parents, it actually does nothing

I did him
He was quite the underperformer and asked too many questions, but I got his SL keys while he was in the shower

With the cc, I prefer a debt card, as less money can get lost.
I put a debt card on file and then went to put few others on it too, I had to get live help to do it, as debt cards aren't usually accepted, but I had bought land and so forth.

My aim was to give the minimum personal info, I am hoping if we have to age verify that one avi can do a few others too.

Shame our banks can't age verify us.

That's a good reminder that you are better off keeping your credit card in your sight at all times. Pay at the register yourself.

I am not as much worried about the illegal theft of my identity by a young opportunist (like the waiter in the restaurant) as I am about theft by companies in the business of stealing privacy.

I can catch identity theft by keeping a watch on my credit. I would never be able to catch the company that sold my information elsewhere, despite the promises that it wouldn't.

Not only that, but some of the trade of my private information is perfectly legal, despite the fact that I don't want it traded. There is no reason for me to help out that trade.

Honestly, if you are like most Americans, your License Number or SSN has already been passed around a lot of easily accessible databases. One more isn't going to make a significant difference.

However, if you have been unusually careful with your information in the Big Brother age (and you should be), then being able to access a little adult content on SL my not be worth handing out the extra information.

Besides, LL is probably hot to require the extra information so it can cooperate with the FBI cybercrimes sting division. Easy access to your personal information makes it easier to arrest and prosecute you.

It's one thing to have your SSN and Driver's License number easily accessible. It's another thing to be able to easily connect you with your activity on Second Life.

I would guess that the vast majority of Americans would have zero concept of the jaw-dropping reaction that a European has to the realisation of how the personal data of US citizens is - legally!!! - traded as a commodity.

Anyhoo ..
My major objection the the Aristotle-IDV thing is not based on the blatantly obvious data-harvesting by Aristotle.
I react badly to to the corporate muppetry coming out of LL about it.
When I see that sort of shite, I reach for the flame-thrower.

I'll build Miss Kidd's Home for Wayward Girls right next to your stable. It'll be a legitimate orphanage for child avatars...after all, Blondin said kiddie avs could access Ursula, if they were account verified.

When I was in college (sometime before the term "identity theft" was widely known) the student's SSN was used as their Student ID number! Every document having anything to do with the university from the registrar's office to student housing all the way to every calculus assignment handed in had this number written on it.

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We don't like it one bit either. I do wonder how and when so many rights slipped away from us. We sure don't wish to lose more.



This. Why this doesn't have every person thoroughly creeped is a mystery to me. The whole 'Ursula containment' stinks of 'sexcrime'.



Always read things like permission forms at a doctor's very carefully. Some will insist those are necessary to be checkmarked. Not so, usually.



/me shudders at the thought. And, it's on the way, I'm sure. Bolted down with DNA samples as well. Followed or accompanied by tracking chips the likes of which are already being placed in passports here. Question is, why?

/me goes back into ostrich mode.

Because the Bible says so

Is still the same. Also if you put your name on papers you hand in then they given back to you unmarked.

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(Kool Aid phobic)

It's Flavorade you're thinking of, not Kool-Aid. Rev. Jim wasn't upmarket enough for Kool-Aid.