Why The Big Fuss Over Zindra

Are they doing this because they find it inappropriate for adult sims to share continents with PG sims? Is that even the case? I don't understand...

It reminds me of when ignorant people in middle school used to say things like, "let's put all the gays on an island and nuke it."

My worry is not so much about seeing naked people, or even adult activities. My worry is that people will think they don't have to do ANYTHING to be considerate of thier individual kinks in Zindra, because after all this is kink central. I don't want to be shopping for animations to use with my partner and have to fend off someone with thier own rape fantasies. I don't want to have to walk in on sex including vore because this is anything goes world. I still want some say in what lines I choose to draw.

I will of course use the option I have now and just tp out. I just hope it doesn't become too widespread insane.

There was a comedian a while back, I can't remember who, but her line was "My mother says they should put all the gay people on an island somewhere. I said "They already have, Mom. It's called Manhattan'.

haha, that's a good one!

You wish re Manhattan...

Anyway what these folks don't get, is that no, you CANT do what you want outside properties which permit orgy mode activity.

If someone has a sex skin shop then no you cant go nuts there unless that's the tone of the shop.

If someone has an erotic art exhibit then no, you can't just put your attachment on and not expect to get ARed.

Ditto the infohubs.

And for the couple who have a home with all the bedroom conveniences, it's there because they want to do what they want to do, and have a right not to be invaded and harassed.

Adult still means consent. That's what defines us.

Besides, if someone wants some jerk to go up to them for an involuntary humping, go right to sandbox cordova. Plenty of that there.

Milla was quoting the Linden response to a similar question some time ago. As you noticed, it's not exactly a helpful response - insultingly vague and UNhelpful, in fact, especially in the context of people screaming to know what the heck said goals might be.

To answer your question in the same spirit: the goal of the program is to provide a more predictable experience for our residents, whose input we value so very highly. *snort*

I would like to see it become that for a lot of reasons, not only for the freedom one. I don't WANT "safer and more predictable" as other, more conservative people define it, because for me that's not actually safer or more predictable... only more restrictive.

There's nothing jittery about it from my perspective. Businesses that move, whether voluntarily or forced, will have to start from scratch in the All search. I believe that the All search accounts for most customers these days, so moving will be very bad for a great many businesses - almost like starting again. Also, they will lose a very large percentage of potential customers.

There is currently a great deal of uncertainty about which businesses will have to move, and that's a bad thing.

When it's all done, there will no doubt be a lot of uncertainty about what items a business can sell on the normal mainland, since LL haven't yet been clear about it (the new CS states something quite different to what Blondin has been saying). I foresee permanent uncertainty, and the decisions of Lindens not being consistent across the board. There are just too many grey areas, and I don't them being catagorically clarified.

The Adult changes do not affect my business, luckely.

That said, I do understand the problems since I experienced them at first hand.

For a while already I am steadely trying to grow my business, but due to arguments to estate owners in the past, I had to move my enterprise already 2 times physically.

This always means starting from scratch, specially if you have no time whatsoever to plan things and inform your customers what is going to change.

I voted on that Jira. Again not because it affects me directly, but because I know that a lot of good businesses will likely be negatively affected by this issue.

The changes to search potentially affect everyone's business.

True but knowing my current ranking, it's reasonably save to asume that any impact to my business as it is now, will either be positive or non at all.

There is always a chance that it will impact me negatively. But I have my doubts.

Why am I so sure? Well, pulling the plug on it, would not even be a huge impact at this point, after the 2 physical moves and the one that changed name and location of the sim by me taking over the ownership, already conflicted so much damage that I am sincerely doubting at times, if I should even continue.

I will not be verifying. If you have a business on a parcel that requires it, you don't get my business. End of story. My vendors stay on parcels that everyone can visit without having to submit id. Oh and bty, my air craft was knocked out of the sky as I was flying over a bay today. This time it wasnt a ban line, it was a stupid age verify parcel.

Keep your flying altitude greater than 51 M above th e terrain, and that will never happen. Buzz rooftops, and various forms of ban line will harm you. Far more likely to kick you out of your plane is a "Parcel Full" error, which affects the parcel to infinity. Shall we mandate that no one can use the last 32 prims of their parcel's allocation?

I thought age verification blocked at all altitudes.

Ceera raised at least one (and I think more) Jira entries about it not doing so.

Well now. I started another thread about how to get folks to adult-verify with payment info (not age verification) using a positive incentive, but this could be another approach.

There are still *plenty* of those roadside microparcels for sale (god knows). Easy to ban NPIOFs. Hmmm.

Nope. Only to 50M above the terrain, like any other ban that isn't explicitly by name for specific avatars.

And yes, when they first introduced Aristotle and "Age verified parcels" this was a flaw in the plan that I opened a JIRA on within hours, and they have done NOTHING to fix it, ever. They have, in fact, tried to close the JIRA several times, and it keeps getting re-opened because this basic flaw has NEVER been addressed.

You will be missed.

well, it sort of has. I don't think you can fly/sail etc from the mainland so they'll have to tp.

I'm sure in LLs eyes that's a fix

If this is really the case, then could someone please explain to me what the difference is between PG and Mature land under the new TOS?? If what you say is true, then it would seem mature land now carries the same restrictions as PG land, while the Adult category is what mature land used to be. So why did LL not just convert all mainland mature parcels other than Zindra to PG and make Zindra the only continent with mature land? Why bother to create a new category of land?

Ceera overstates the situation. The Community standards references Knowledge base page 6010, which states "Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:..."

Therefore the implication is if it's not advertised or publicly promoted, its not Adult.

So the short version of the new maturity ratings are:

Adult: You can have it, and you can advertise you have it
Mature: You can have it, but not advertise
PG: You cant have it

Do you really think there will be constant abuse reports? Non-business residents have nothing to fear. They can keep hopping on their poseballs and chatting all adult chat they want without fear of report or any hassles whatsoever. LL doesn't have the manpower or the desire to police the mainland. They are putting this in the Community Standards as a cover your ass move only. As long as you have a radar HUD, no one is going to catch you doing anything anyway.

It's the mainland adult businesses that are getting the royal screwing here. Horny residents have nothing to fear except virtual herpes.

This.

IANAL but this seems to be the current situation.

So where do you get your L$ from to spend at people's properties where you won't be taking your business? OH yeah, from your vendors. People who have verified so that they can buy the L$ that you're spending. So it's OK for other adults to act like adults as long as you don't have to.

You don't deserve to sell anything to anybody either. Justice says that your income by all rights should immediately drop to zero. Welcome to life as an adult.

Hey, Ray!

One thing the Lindens have mentioned that seems to be a change is that certain activities (sexual, at least; not sure about violent) now must be "inside" on Mature land. So, no humping on Mature Mainland beaches, for example. I'm not entirely sure this was ever really permitted, but I know (don't ask ) it was not uncommon in the past.

Also, I'm not quite so sanguine about the future rules on Mature Mainland. It's certainly true that LL doesn't want to police the Mainland, they do have rules, and they've just made them more restrictive, and hence subject to more ARs. They could adjust those rules at any time. They'll still be ineffective, of course, but for that "more predictable experience" of not being permabanned, one might choose to obey the rules anyway.