Why The Big Fuss Over Zindra

When I search for an item or location, I don't worry about where it is so I just transport there. I can teleport across a sim or teleport all the way across Caladon. It's my gut feeling as watching how my friends get around.

I don't care if I'm on a PG sim, a Mature Sim, or even one of those naughty Adult sims. Do people really pay attention where they are going or do they just teleport where they need to go and don't worry about where that is?

I would think that putting all the adult sims on one continent could be a good move. Each club will have close competition and competition is good for us and the owner.

Can anyone respond as to why this is a bad mood?

Personally, I think it's the jitters people get whenever there's a change.

Bad move for many reasons.

1) You own a business. Your customers can't find your business where they expect it to be because you were forced to move. Lost sales while they try to figure out where you went. Getting the word out will also cost you money. When they do know where you are, they learn they can't visit your store because they're not verified. Lost sales while you're waiting for them to verify. This will impact the grid very negatively.

2) There is absolutely no organization to this whatsoever. Such as their promise of like-for-like swaps for those who are forced to move. There is far less land "like" what people already have to abandon than the people who have that type of land expecting like-for-like. Plus virtually no land at all where people can have builds over or in the water like they have now. What are those people supposed to do?

3) Putting too many high-lag establishments too close together is guaranteed to cause havok for all of them. You don't want close competitiors especially for clubs, because it will just be a serious lag fest.

Those are just a small number of the issues that are involved with this whole debacle.

4,418 people voted for this issue, the most ever for *any* JIRA issue. There were many many comments. Here is a summary of the comments relating to the move:

1) The given reason for this change is the request of a small number of users. Making everyone who did not want this change adapt is unfair, disruptive, and will hurt many existing businesses and social groups.

3) New Adult regions and mainland continent relocation has problems:

a) Segregation of Mainland into Adult continent while not requiring Estates to do so, or separating Mature and PG on the remaining mainland is unfair to one group,

b) Allowing adjacent mixed rating regions on some parts of the grid does not achieve the intended goal of "a predictable experience where you see what you want to".

c) Moving only businesses and clubs will lead to lag, as those are typically more populated than residential areas.

d) If Linden Labs guesses wrong on how large to make that area, it can lead to land speculation or drops in land prices elsewhere.

e) First come, first served move plan will result in inefficient layout. Small parcel moved first will block later larger ones. First mover can claim desirable waterfront or other features, or claim center of region default landing point, making it impossible for later movers to receive equivalent land to their previous mainland. Anyone who accidentally misses the start of the land grab will get the worst parcels.

f) Move assistance underestimates the damage caused by moving in time, landmark changes, and loss of customers.

g) Offering move assistance to only some people is discriminatory.

i) Technical details of moving are difficult:

i1) Only land area will be the same, not parcel shape, or terrain, forcing rebuilding.

i2) New limits on object prim count to take and rez make it harder to move a large build.

i3) Builds with multiple owners will not be easy to move.

5) Verification system fails technically in many ways, and is unacceptable to many people, therefore not everyone who wants access to adult content can or will verify. Identity is very hard to establish online.

a) Many children have credit cards in their own name, and can thus verify via payment info method

b) Others can borrow adult ID (with or without consent) and verify with it, or simply log in to an account which an adult has already verified.

c) The Aristotle database is known to be corrupt and accept dead people's ID, or fail with correct ID.

d) Data entry fields are incorrect for some countries.

e) Even after verification, some people cannot access adult features once online

f) Many people suspect Aristotle of selling information, or simply do not want the risk of placing ID information online

It has been reported that such information is being traded on hacker IRC channels

g) Some people participating in adult activities wish to remain anonymous, and not link their fetishes to their real life identity.

7) Search changes fail in a number of ways:

a) Mixed-use parcels cannot be properly advertised since the system uses a combination of region rating and word filters to determine what shows in the results. This forces stores to have multiple locations, or lose some customers.

9) Land was sold with certain product features, and to change them after sale is an unfair business practice.

a) Previously, Mature land could be visited by anyone, and used for any legal purpose.

b) In the future, Adult land cannot be visited by everyone, and Mature land cannot be used for all purposes, thus both types are more restricted.

Thank you to my fellow Michiganer. I guess I was thinking more about those using search to find a place, but I guess even that will get overrun and borked for a change. I was thinking only of those of us who don't save locations and just go through the habit of searching every time.

Bradley, i've seen your posts on here for a while and you dont seem to be a troll, but I can't beleive you have asked this...

How would you feel if LL suddenly changed the rules about what you could do on your land that you have owned for the last 2 years?

The land you "bought" from LL instead of risking an estate rental because it seemed "safe"...

The land that you chose in "mature" because it was where we had to build adult themed things. Thats right, we stayed within the rules...

The land you carefully spent a month or so choosing so it would be perfect for your business, and the land you may have paid over the odds for from ad farmers and speculators over that time to expand...

The land all your regulars and not so regulars have landmarks for in thier inventory...

The business you have built up over that time, only to be evicted...

Then, imagine that LL tell you three months ago that in some unspecified time in the future, your target market will be shrunk down to a fraction of what it was when you set up business...

Imagine that some of your friends or staff in SL cannot even verify to get to the new place...

Imagine you had to go to a new continent to choose new land that thousands of others want not knowing what the land you are choosing will look like once it's surrounded by neigbours you have yet to meet

Imagine the race that at some unspecified time on the 29th (a Monday when may people will be at RL work) the ticket system will open and the race will begin for the "first come first served" system...

Imagine having to move and reconstruct a custom built business within a 14 day period...

Imagine having to arrange for your store tennants to also move after you have rebuilt the in the new land (in July when many may be on holiday)...

It means that anyone with an adult business has to start again from scratch - only with less time.

It means we have lost trust in LL

It means we wonder how long it will be before LL move the goalposts again - you never know Bradley, if you are not affected this time, you may be next time.

The whole thing has been a disasterous cockup, and the only people to lose out are the residents. LL dont care about us yet - maybe they will when they see how many people tier down (like i have) or leave beacuse of the mistrust.

Gomez.

Okay, I got it. Thank you for your responses. I now "get it".

Gomez, I actually am a troll, but only in the morning before I have a cup of coffee.

Bradley, for what it's worth - me wuvs you, you big ol' voice of reason.

Edited to clarify: I think your post is valid for a lot of reasons. But it doesn't seem to be popular to discuss this here.

Awwwwww, shucks

My only answer is " I don't want to move" and I think that should be enough for LL to want to keep me a happy customer.
BT

I don't think LL cares on an individual basis if we are happy.

When was the last time someone couldn't find a business in search? You paying your $L30 per week?

Short of that, what makes you think this is bad if new customers will be SURE to come across your place on Zindra?

btw if I find a location is obsolete from a saved LM, I check search. Back to the first point of investing the $L30



But you think it's easier for people to find you wedged between a tinies victorian shop and cars-r-us?

Zindra has a great deal of diversity where terrain is concerned, with the exception of snow, and there's talk of adding that as well. Anywhere there's shoreline you can make a water parcel - that's in addition to their western coastline.



There is no difference between lag next to non-adult places and lag next to adult places. People would kill for a spot in Nova Albion, lag and all, just to get in on the double prims and heavy traffic.

Unless I misunderstand, and you are actually objecting to too much traffic in your region. Remember that one establishment is potential free advertising others nearby.

If I read between the lines, I see one key objection: competition. Where there can be many, there's the demand for quality shops and products to get more customers. You must realize that consumers won't be sympathizing with the slothful.

One thing I haven't ever seen mentioned is how the new 'adult' classification will affect xstreetsl. Will everyone have to be verified or piof to access portions of the site? Will vendors have to reclassify all of their items?

LOL thats 95% of us

Gomez

There's a place that I would love to see affected by the new Continent. Anything they can do to fix up that monstrosity would be greatly appreciatedl.

Add this to the objections. LL has revised the TOS, making ALL adult content illegal outside of Zindra or Adult-rated private sims! :

From the new Community Standards:Can't have it, can't do it, can't even TALK about it. And NO exemptions for "private use" or requirements of "It's only bad if it is advertized or public.".

So Zindra is also going to get flooded with non-business residents who get NO free moves, and who will have to pay the land speculator's extortion rates to get new land where they can have a residence with an adult sex bed and not fear constant Abuse Reports. While their Mainland parcels have to get abandoned, or sold for pennies on the dollar, because NO ONE CAN USE THE LAND unless they ONLY want a PG experience!

In short, unless you ONLY live a PG life in SL, LL just gave you the shaft, with no lube.

Here's the problem with having competing businesses too close to each other. Especially those which generate lots of traffic, or clubs with lots of scripts. LAG.

Ever tried putting four businesses in a sim that each regularly have 10 to 20 customers or lucky chair hunters, etc., in them and see what that does to sim performance?

How about slapping four clubs together in the same sim each running scanners showing your profile pictures, 20 lights communicating with their dance floor and running laggy scripts, etc., etc., etc., and then trying to actually move in the resulting lag?

Competition is good. Certain types of competition too close to your venue is not. Those types of lag generators need to be balaced out in their locations to keep things from grinding to an absolute halt for everybody nearby.

I guess they're going to have to use classier methods like nice builds and worthwhile giveaways and less audio spam.

But look at it this way: 3 shops in one region, each with a stupid screaming lucky chair? People will WANT to hang out there with the increased odds. More dots. More attention.

You know good traffic comes for a price. As long as people can GET to the region.

In the long range picture Zindra may turn out to be a good idea. (I am not convinced, but am willing to wait and see) I think the biggest objection is how this change is being handled. The contradictory and uncertain way changes are being handled is a big problem. Not knowing exactly what is and isn't allowed on Mature mainland is confusing. People who have invested a lot of themselves in thier virtual plot of land cannot be blamed for being reluctant to move to an uncertain plot.

I personally resent those SLers that are trying to turn Zindra into a wall to wall porn fest. I think there will be room for that, but I also think it can be so much more. I don't understand why they think Adult must equate with I can do anything with my naughty parts I want whenever and wherever. If this attitude prevails and I am constantly harrassed as I shop for Adult pursuits or as I do other "adult" things. It will seriously impact my enjoyment of SL. I am already disgusted with the behaviour in the info hubs there.

I personally think LL should have concentrated on enforcing the rules they have before making more.

Thats the most sensible thing I've heard yet.

[zippy]I ENDORSE THIS PRODUCT AND/OR SERVICE[/zippy]

That did not meet the goals of the program.

*snort*

I really hope this program doesn't end up an "own goal", but I'm afraid it will.

What are the goals of the program?

I would like to see Zindra become an over the top hyper sexualized area. I want it to be the gold standard of perversity in virtual worlds. I want it to make LasVegas seem like a monastery. I want it to assault the mind and senses. You're free to do what you want now.

Y'know, this sounds like fun, actually. And like the SL the media wanted to write about all along.