New Property, New Neighbors, New Problems and a Hopeless Question

My story starts the day I bought a 4096sqm parcel ... I was so excited I could hardly wait to get started. I only partially noticed my neighbor trying to set up a water feature in his yard. Anyway, the first thing I did as a new landowner was to return the sellers items. Click, bang, the For Sale sign was gone along with a bunch of linden shrubs and trees and some rather pretty garden decorations. My parcel was clean and ready for me to start building and landscaping ... but it was late. I decided to start the next day. I bid good night to my friend who was enjoying the moment with me and logged out.

The next day, my friend had left me a note. Apparently, my new neighbor had accidently encroached part of his water feature onto my land the moment I returned the sellers stuff and part of his water feature unlinked and disappeared (probably to his inventory lost and found). He was furious. He proceeded to "scream" at my friend that we had ruined his L$2500 water feature ... yada yada yada ... my friend tried to commiserate with the guy and apologize for me, but the guy wouldn't relent ... he was mad.

Oh great ... my first day on my new property and I'd already pissed off my neighbor.

Sooooo ... I spent the day working on my new land and watching for the guy to return. Finally, at the end of the day the guy showed up with a new water feature and proceeded to set it up. Before I could chicken out, I approached him, I apologized and I offered to pay for his water feature (even tho it wasn't really my fault). He seemed to accept my apology and declined my offer to pay for the piece as his friend who'd sold him the first piece had given him a replacement free of charge.

Anyway, all seemed well and we parted on good terms ...

Then came the security system ... When I am on my property up to 3/4 of the way away from his land I started getting warning messages that I was about to be evicted. I wasn't, of course, but 60 seconds later I was informed with very bad grammar that I had been evicted because I was on land I wasn't supposed to be on. Well at first this shook me up because I thought someone had left a security device on my land ... but it wasn't of course. It was somewhere on my neighbor's land.

I wasn't sure what to do ... I was persistently getting these warning message boxes and chat messages that would go off about every 60s more or less. So I wrote a note to my neighbor and sent it to him that his security device was nagging me clear across the other side of my land and would he mind moving it or narrowing the range so we or our guests didn't have to listen to it.

Another full day later he comes on. I tried to go to him to talk to him, but promptly got orbited by his security system ... which made me laugh because I should have realized this would happen. Anyway, I think he tried to tell me that I could "mute" the thing, but I didn't get it until this morning ... I'll have to go back tonight and figure out how I can mute it without getting orbited again.

However, even if I mute the thing, everyone who comes to visit me is going to get bombarded by his security device. No one will want to visit me ... I'll be so aloooonnnne ( ...

Anyone know how I can get this guy to turn down the range of his security system without ruining neighbor relations further?

His overly-aggressive security system needs to check to make sure it's safe on foreign land. You shouldn't get orbited on your own land. Ask him to make sure it's safe on land that isn't his.

you might ask him to retrict spatialized sound to his parcel found in the media tab of the land options.

Thanks guys!

Cristalle, I was on his land when I got orbited. I just get verbally abused by it on my land.

Ray, that's a fantastic idea. I'll send him another note tonight. I hope he reads it because I don't want to get tossed on my head again

Can't those things be checked to only scan who is on the parcel? It shouldn't be picking you up unless you go onto his land.

I think this is where security measures cross the line. I've consistently said that people have the right to do what they want on their own property, even where I feel like the exercise of those rights makes them jerks, but if something is coming on to your property and harassing you, then you ought to be able to AR it. It's not your responsibility to mute his security orb. it's his responsibility to keep it to his property.

Most likely he just really doesn't *know* how to configure the system for proper operation, so somebody is going to have to gracefully educate him about it. Well, preferably somebody who actually knows how his particular species of security system can be configured, with line-by-line instructions. And at this point, ideally, somebody other than you. Are other neighbors getting this same problem, and could they be recruited?

A system behaving like this is of course subject to removal by AR, but clearly that's not an outcome that will foster good neighbor relations. On the other hand, if one puts it that one is trying to help him avoid an AR from another neighbor or passerby or something... maybe.

(I don't think restricting spatialized sound will prevent you getting pop-up warning dialogs, though... nor chat and IMs... AFAIK anyway.)

Yes they can. A friend of mine is selling a security system and he included exactly this feature (only warn if over own land). Any security system not following this rule could be coded better. Of course, at the end of the day it's the owner's responsibility to set up the thing correctly, but security devices can be coded in a foolproof way.

(I don't think restricting spatialized sound will prevent you getting pop-up warning dialogs, though... nor chat and IMs... AFAIK anyway.)[/QUOTE]

yep ,true... the pop up warnings or ims won't go away with spacialized sound but the sounds for sure. It does suggest the security system scan is to large of a field for your neighbors property and that can be set by script and could be a Ar able event but good to try to keep things amicable.

Good luck, know your last wish is to have problems with a neighbor and you did what most do returning any items on your prop when you bought it so it really was the neighbor who hurt himself by building off his own land. Ouch here I go again lol (another thread ).

If it is possible to have him scan his own land with that thing I would be overjoyed. I might contact the maker of the thing and see if that particular brand can do that.

The parcels on either side of him are occupied, but I have yet to see the owners.

Well the sound hasn't bothered me as much as the popups etc. *sigh*


Thanks everybody, your comments have made me feel like I wasn't a total heel at least

I was considering sending him the following note:



Hmmm ... On second thought, I probably shouldn't send that ...

Another plug for HippoTech's HippoSECURE. The scan can indeed be restricted to the parcel. You could set it to 100m scanning range and restrict it to the parcel. As well as create 3-d cube scanning areas. It's copiable, networkable with both rental boxes and other HippoSECURE units to cover wider areas with shared access lists. And the customer support is great.

I usually don't wade through longish posts, but this is one of the most entertaining I've read in some time.

Here's a solution for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rLahdNAUks

[Edit: Not to belittle your plight. I would never have thought it would go as far as it has per the posts below. Wish I had a real answer.]

i have no advice, Adana, i just wanted to say i hope you all find a solution without it escalating into a war. sounds like you have to walk on eggshells. best of luck.

Well, I logged on under an alt and the security system is no longer "securing" my land ... what a relief. Thanks, guys, for all your friendly support.

I spoke too soon. A friend just contacted me and said that they had gotten orbited off of MY land today. No sooner did she tell me the pop ups started for my alt. My alt didn't get orbited tho probably because he's a member of my group.

This is going to far. I may have to get firm with him

i don't necessarily think 'an eye for an eye' is the right attitude, but you might want to "show" him what is happening.... have him bring an alt of his own over, one who is not grouped to his land. just a thought.

I just read in a thread today that if you mute or ban him from your land in the land tabs that neither your visitors or you wont here him? I dont know let me stop and find the thread.
or if anyone else knows of this please post.

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Well not exactly the thread I was thinking of but maybe something like this its in a post on the first page.
I was pretty sure I saw a post brought back to life from one year ago today about security systems.

QFT! This is the system we use. It works simply and beautifully...never had any complaints and afaik it does not orbit people if they do not leave before the warning time, they are just ushered home.

Cristalle, have I mentioned lately what a pleasure it is to have you as a neighbor?

i adore hippotech, and have used hippo rent/vend/update/visit for yonks...
but hipposecure is balls. avoid that thing.

Sounds like the OP is dealing with the world's most clueless neighbor or someone who simply doesn't care about their neighbors. Either case, I'd say that after a day or two, if it's not resolved, go ahead and AR it, because by that point, you'll know which they are.

I woke up this morning to check and see if my neighbor had fixed the problem only to find that the security system was removed and his parcel has been banned. What does that mean exactly? Is he banned from SL or is everyone (or just me) banned from his parcel. I have checked and no one is listed on the banned list for his land.

I didn't AR him, but I think a friend of mine did on my behalf. He thought I was being too soft of the guy.

BTW ... three sides of my property have empty parcels ... is anybody looking for land? I really, really, really would like some nice neighbors

You know, given the branding hoopla, and that fact that among other words that OurHosts are claiming as theirs and say you can't use is the word "Hippo", I'm guessing the makers of HippoTech are going to have some problems...

Sounds like he's giving up on the security orb that he doesn't understand how to use and going with the more simple approach of ban lines.

your neighbor clearly has things on his land which are VERY IMPORTANT and must not be looked at or sat upon. you should genuflect every time you face the direction of his land, and thank him for the banlines which remind you to be humble in the presence of his water feature.

It's always worth offering to help people set up such things, even if only in one's own interest.

I've had success in helping people to set up orbs, AO's and other devices that I was not familiar with.
I just ask the person to pass me copies of the documentation and any configuration notecards.
Generally, the information required is in there, but sometime takes a bit of digging.

Then it takes some slow pedantic coaching to take them through the checklists.
It's definitely worth the effort when the person in question is a neighbour was going to give up and use ban lines.

I wish LSL could write to notecards. It would make it so much easier to create wizard scripts that could take people through setups.