Banned! In Thirty Seconds

Bryanna, can you clarify something for us?

Did you turn on View Property Lines? Was this *really* a 4096 parcel? Or was it just that 4096 of it was sticking above the water? How about a SLURL so we can go have a look?

Either it was really a 16,000 m2 parcel, 1/4 of a Homestead sim...in which case, the owner wasn't misleading you...

...or it was a 4096 parcel on a full sim, surrounded by other water parcels, which you would not get to own or use. Same prims, but it definitely is a different arrangement and the owner was being misleading. Since you'd still get the same prims and usable land, perhaps not "dishonest", but it's still not the same deal.

No, the others are chiding you for not listening when the owner tried to explain and for telling the owner they were lying. The owner specifically said it is 1/4 sim and that you get 937 prims. That is, by definition, a homestead sim.

There is enough information in your first post to know exactly what it was. You made a mistake, that's all.

It pays to treat people with respect. You never know WHO the person is you are speaking to. If you hadn't gotten yourself banned you could go back and check the total prims available in the sim and that would confirm that it was a homestead.
$2000/week for a 1/4 homestead is a good price but it's not really a steal. You don't know his situation. He could be living on the other 3/4 of the sim and renting out the 1/4 you saw just to offset the cost a little.

We are nearly trying to educate you a bit on land.
I am an estate owner, just as many others that replied here are.
We do know our land stuff.

Misleading for new people? The whole land thing is misleading.
Watch a few tutorials by Torley Linden before you go out and buy land.

It is land on itself which can become confusing for someone new, so I always advise to get to know about all the details before actively starting to search for your own parcel.

If you need land, and find a plot, and want to know what you are up against. Then post the slurl and details here and someone surely will help you out.

He never said homestead, though. I did not know all of that. If he had told me that instead of shouting and calling me a name I would've listened.

I didn't make a mistake Phil I just did not know a quarter sim homestead existed. My bad. I would tell him I am sorry except it seems best to leave this alone. Well maybe someone else learned.

Thank you.

So it was a mistake Don't worry about it though - it's not a crime.

It's this bit here:

[5:43] owner: READ
[5:43] owner: Size: 16384m2
L$1
[5:43] looky loo: yes, i did
[5:43] looky loo: they will expect prim for 16k
[5:43] owner: WHAT IT SAYS
[5:43] owner: 16384SQM

The way to get only 937 prims on 16,384sq.m. is when the sim is a Homestead. (I guess, theoretically, a 0.25 "Prim Bonus" would have the same effect on a normal sim, but that's sure not a common thing.)

Of course if the parcel actually showed 4096sq.m. for that prim limit, then it was a full-primmed sim, but the chat log excerpt doesn't seem like that's the case.

It is at least a little sleazy of the owner to advertise and keep insisting it's 1/4 sim without mentioning that it's really 1/4 of a *Homestead* sim. That, combined with the very low fee, would make me pretty hesitant to do business with that Estate.

Many land owners do not specifically say Homestead as they assume (rightly or not) that the interested party knows how to check the About Land to see what it is.

You started it off bad by saying "looky loo: wow. they lie and looky loo: this isn't 16,000 meters"

The owner proceeded with the facts, without shouting at first:
[5:41] owner: this is 16384sqm
[5:41] owner: but
[5:41] owner: is edited
[5:41] owner: with
[5:41] owner: less terrain
[5:41] owner: to keep the privacity
[5:42] owner: this land is
[5:42] owner: 16384sqm
[5:42] owner: 937 prims
[5:42] owner: right click this land
[5:42] owner: of course is not a half of sim
[5:42] owner: this is a 1/4 sim
[5:42] owner: 16384sqm

During that explanation, you continued to tell the owner that they were wrong and they were misleading people. It was not until after that when the owner started shouting.

I've got lots of patience in trying to explain things to people, but even I might have given up here. You were not listening to the owner at all, but was bound and determined that you were right.

Thanks. Me too.

He just kept saying its size and prim numbers. He kept saying 1/4 sim. Some people might want to know it's a homestead. Not everyone will know the difference. I didn't. But to some it will sound like a real, 1/4 sim. He is at least not great at communicating I think. Maybe he should have it all written down. It sounds like a lot better deal than it is, to most. I personally would not want to pay all that money just for water. Renting a 4096 size/937 prim will usually cost less than 1999 a week.

Looky Loo 2 seemed eager though so I guess it ended well for those two.



He never even said he is the owner. I was left to figure that out as well. For all I knew he could've been someone just telling me things. I said "they lie" not "you lie" and I was just saying it out loud. (He teleported in, just as I said it) I would not have said that if I thought the owner was there. It was not meant to insult him. I believed it.

Not to argue but where did he actually explain anything?

True, didn't seem the owner was patient enough to explane exactly what it was.

In the past there were people using a 4.0 object bonus on homesteads to make people believe it was a full sim.

So caution is always wise.

He explained it pretty well. I'm thinking english might not be his first language, but he makes himself understood.

[5:41] owner: this is 16384sqm
[5:41] owner: but
[5:41] owner: is edited
[5:41] owner: with
[5:41] owner: less terrain
[5:41] owner: to keep the privacity
[5:42] owner: this land is
[5:42] owner: 16384sqm
[5:42] owner: 937 prims
[5:42] owner: right click this land

That's terraforming. Says nothing about the unusual type of sim or unusual # of prims. What he was saying made no sense to me. What I needed to know was what people here said.

The more I think on it and how confusing it all was to me at one point, you are right in that the owner should have not only said Homestead, but verify that you knew what that meant.

I don't see that. It doesn't make any difference to a renter whether or not it's part of a homestead sim. The renter is told 16384m and 937 prims. What more does the renter need to know?

It's not unusual at all. Homesteads are very very common. What he was saying made no sense to you because you thought you knew more than he did.

What a homestead is, what that means. What a normal quarter sim is and what that means. The difference. Even...What prims are. Some will hear the size and not know anything about the rest. He also said that if you paid $1 L you owned it. Then people are expected to pay 1999 a week. I know that is normal but not everyone does.

If someone wants to be clear they should say it all. That's how I feel.



Not at all.

At first I thought he was just telling me things that were wrong. Then when he got mad I figured out he was the owner. I did not think I knew more than he knew. I thought I knew more than I knew. I thought what he said made no sense or he was tricking people.

Brynna, you were wrong. It's not the sim owner's fault that you did not have a full education on sims, homesteads, etc. He was explaining it the best he could and you were arguing. And now, later, you find out you were wrong, and you are STILL arguing. Bottom line is, ummm you were wrong. He was right. And now you know, for future endeavors. It's not his job to educate you on how full sims/homesteads work. He told you as best he could. Sometimes we just have to say, hey, I was wrong, wrong, wrong on that one, I really blew it, but now I understand.

Why does a renter need to know what a homestead sim is? Why does s/he need to know what a normal 1/4 sim is? (We aren't discussing whether or not a renter needs to know what prims are. They could ask if they want to know, and I'm sure the question would be answered by the landlord.)

If you want to rent a piece of land, you need to know its size and how many prims you can use on it. You also need to read the covenant so that you know what you can and can't do on it, but you don't need to know what type of sim it is.

That would need some explaining, of course, but that's not what you started this thread about.

It's all part of the same thing Phil. If you don't think they were making the place sound better than it was that's fine. I just didn't feel the same.

If they don't know what prims are how would they know to ask? I do agree part of the responsibility is theirs too. But there is no obvious way for new people to learn this.

You are perfectly entitled to your feelings, of course, but I don't see anything that suggests the owner did anything wrong. You made a mistake and you've learned here what the mistake was. That's all there is to it. It does seem that, because you posted a complaint about the owner, you are trying to squeeze a fault out of it all, instead of just saying, yep, I got it wrong, and leaving it at that.

It's not a landlord's responsibility to educate people about prims and such, so he didn't do anything wrong there either. I'm sure that, if asked to explain it, most landlords would.

ETA:
I haven't seen anything in this thread that indicates that he was trying to make it sound better than it was. 16384m and 937 prims. It's exactly what it sounds like - not better and not worse.

Not every one wants to be, or is cut out to be a mentor. Some people just do not have the patience. That does not make them a bad person. Personally... I feel like if you're at the point where you're considering spending $2000 a week for a piece of land, it's your responsibility to have the basic knowledge of how land works, and what we are talking about really is basics.

When you click about land, doesn't it say homestead on it? I don't recall that is why I am asking and I'm not inworld.