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Bella Posaner
Just say it how it is FFS
Join date: 8 May 2008
Posts: 615
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11-27-2008 15:06
From: Grayam Dagger Now I am going to go ahead here and raise a touchy subject. ((NOT)) NOOBS! Now we all see those guys in SL in the noobie outfits with obviously no money, AV, AO, or anything that us "l33t" players have and we all either make fun of them, or ignore their requests/pleads for help in getting involved in the game. Now I remember when I was a noob, it wasn't too long ago, about 16 months, and I could remember asking people for help or that 25L to buy a starter kit and either I got ignored, or a land mark to an escort shop (costs money) or a sandbox (get greifed) or a freebies place (shitty stuff that people for some reason can't sell)! Now I will start to get to my point, why do we do this? I mean we all went through these same troubles and we all got ignored, we all hated being treated like a well "noob" but why do we do the same back to them? I mean I try to help out noobs when I can, but really, most of the time I blow them off with a simple Landmark to a freebie place or notecard! So whats your opinion?
**JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN I AM AT WORK, ALL I DO IS HELP NOOBS! JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS!** I too have never done anything of the sort to a "noob". I met a girl a couple of weeks back and gave heaps of stuff, hair and clothing I have also NEVER asked anyone for money, you were lucky you just got ignored, I'd have told you to ....off
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reeneebob Birmingham
Registered User
Join date: 7 Aug 2006
Posts: 27
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11-27-2008 18:22
I can't be alone in saying I never begged for money when I was new...I thought it was rude to do so.
L$ = RL$
I danced, camped etc until I felt secure enough to buy L$.
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Limonella Sorbet
Registered User
Join date: 31 May 2008
Posts: 219
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11-27-2008 18:32
I have had players, even who were not new (rez date - I wasn't guessing), simply walk up, and ask me to buy them "this outfit" they were hovering in front of. Never saw 'em before in my Second Life.
They were usually well dressed, well avved and stylishly wigged when they did that. Who would say yes? But some must, or they wouldn't keep doing it, I'd think. That, or hope springs eternal?
Oh, and the most creative was "I will trade what I'm wearing for what you're wearing." I can't recall if they even said hello first. But it was about that quick. Since I had just bought the (elaborate, and expensive) ensemble and wore it the first time that night, it was "no." I wouldn't have anyway. They could've TP'd out once I gave them the folder. I told them it was non trans., they still asked some more. I had to TP out to avoid them harassing me for what I was wearing! Lol.
Someone also (another place, another day) asked me to let them copy what I was wearing and give it to them. I told them I didn't make it and wouldn't allow them to copy it. Then they just said "give it to me then."
Even if the 'newbie' coming up to someone asking for money, or help is totally innocent, the person they ask may have just run into someone like one of the above. As someone else upthread said, it is a two way street. And people like those ruin it for lots of others...
FWIW I actually like helping people, showing them around and have even been known to spoil a person or two...but not someone who just walked up and demanded it. Ever.
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Nuuna Nitely
Registered User
Join date: 9 Dec 2007
Posts: 46
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11-28-2008 06:09
I never make fun of newbies. And always help if they ask for something. But I never give money. I tell them about money trees, that's how i started out, never asked anybody for money. And then I usually give links to freebie blogs not to freebie landmarks anymore. Better stuff on blogs. 
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Kyllie Wylie
J-Rocker
Join date: 7 Mar 2008
Posts: 489
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11-28-2008 06:33
From: Limonella Sorbet I have had players, even who were not new (rez date - I wasn't guessing), simply walk up, and ask me to buy them "this outfit" they were hovering in front of. Never saw 'em before in my Second Life.
Ive had that a few times lately too. People with 2007 0r 06 res dates who ask questions like "how do I get new clothes?" or "how do I stop dancing?" ... I think a lot of them are people who created accounts a year or more ago logged on once or twice and want back to WOW or whatever. SL has been in the news a lot lately (with that divorce thing) and they have probably read that and thought "hey I have an account there! maybe I'll give it a go again!"
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Charlotte Bartlett
Registered User
Join date: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 97
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11-28-2008 07:15
From: Grayam Dagger Now I am going to go ahead here and raise a touchy subject. ((NOT)) NOOBS! Now we all see those guys in SL in the noobie outfits with obviously no money, AV, AO, or anything that us "l33t" players have and we all either make fun of them, or ignore their requests/pleads for help in getting involved in the game. Now I remember when I was a noob, it wasn't too long ago, about 16 months, and I could remember asking people for help or that 25L to buy a starter kit and either I got ignored, or a land mark to an escort shop (costs money) or a sandbox (get greifed) or a freebies place (shitty stuff that people for some reason can't sell)! Now I will start to get to my point, why do we do this? I mean we all went through these same troubles and we all got ignored, we all hated being treated like a well "noob" but why do we do the same back to them? I mean I try to help out noobs when I can, but really, most of the time I blow them off with a simple Landmark to a freebie place or notecard! So whats your opinion?
**JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN I AM AT WORK, ALL I DO IS HELP NOOBS! JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS!** For products, clothing, skins etc: Perhaps try sending them in future to the Gnubie Store, it's dedicated to people just starting out, and has products from clothing through to high end builds. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Powder%20Mill/121/142/34For people, friendship and getting integrated places like the Shelter... I rarely come across that new a person on our sims (likely as new people are not going to be searching for modern houses) but when I do we have an orientation island set up with something like 60 landmarks on a departure board, luggage with some starter items, and ability to seek assistance... I think you might be just referring to yourself above rather than the royal *we* 
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Kalderi Tomsen
Nomad Extraordinaire!
Join date: 10 May 2007
Posts: 888
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11-28-2008 07:39
I most certainly love to provide some sort of friendly help to new residents. I have a folder in my inventory of decent freebie stuff that I have found (or stuff that I paid for that is transfer but that I don't want any more) and am quite willing to give those to the newer people, in the hope that they feel a little more welcomed and can dress in something a bit nicer than the initial outfits.
I will also try to find some nice freebie places where they can get some nice things as well - not all of those are junk.
The only thing I won't do is give out free money. I think that people need to understand that money in SL isn't "play money" - it's a real currency, and the sooner you get that concept, the better. I spent a lot of time in SL getting by on freebies, without putting any money into the world, and I recommend that people do that, to get a feel for whether this is a place they would like to spend more time. (Most do.)
I only make fun of the n00bs when they act like them - expecting me to have sex with them withint 5 minutes of meeting them, or generally being an idiot after being warned not to. (I'm sorry, but rezzing a double-decker London bus and offering to give people paid guided tours of our traditional asian sim just really isn't welcome, when you just arrived here and have probably no clue what you are looking at - ok, 10 out of 10 for style but minus several million for good-thinking)
We were all new residents once, and have relied on the guidance and comfort of strangers. Helping out others is just a way of giving back.
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 8,371
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11-28-2008 11:37
What Rha said.
The quality of the help you give newcomers is up to you. Get some good freebies, or a LM to a store with good freebies. Check the notecards you give out for currency. Loan the poor sods some spending money...you would just blow it on tips anyway.
Most of all, spend some time talking with them. We say, SL is all about the people. Be one of the people it's about.
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Amaranthim Talon
Voyager, Seeker, Curious
Join date: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 12,032
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11-28-2008 12:16
Didn't read all of this- but really- begging got turned down? What a surprise! I don't give beggars on the RL streets money either - though i have bought people lunch. I have adopted newbies/noobs/noobies- don care what u call the new folk - i have given them pre done boxes of stuff before i had my own stuff . Now that I make stuff I give girls stuff since I don't make guy stuff. I have taken totally new people to skin stores and laid out rl money to get them out of the noob look- we arent talking 1 Linden skins either- point is- u do what u do then u move on and u dont ask for recognition or consideration - u help folks cause u want to not cause they expect it. Any one walks up demanding goods or cash can keep walking. But- blow off someone cause they are new? Hell no! We were all new- Pay it forward. Don't expect help, don't beg - do for your self- but help people, lend a hand, make friends. Some people don't know how to accept help, some people think every time you extend a hand u want something back- some people are maladjusted and don't function well in society. For them, nothing u can do is enough- for others the slightest thing is a huge help. Reach out and help people - it is never a bad thing 
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Void Singer
Int vSelf = Sing(void);
Join date: 24 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,973
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11-28-2008 12:31
sorry, I might give change to the guy on thestreet because he's down on his luck, but when I see it in SL it's not the same...obviosly has an ok computer and internet... so they must be a thief, an idiot, or an asshole if they go begging.... no tolerence for those.
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Rioko Bamaisin
Unstable Princess
Join date: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 4,668
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11-28-2008 12:42
From: Void Singer sorry, I might give change to the guy on thestreet because he's down on his luck, but when I see it in SL it's not the same...obviosly has an ok computer and internet... so they must be a thief, an idiot, or an asshole if they go begging.... no tolerence for those. Especially when it only cost about 4 US dollars for 1,000 lindens.
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Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
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11-29-2008 03:53
If someone begs me for money I usually ask if they have change of a $1000L note . . . Pep (You soon find out if they *are* n00bs that way)
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Ceka Cianci
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Join date: 31 Jul 2006
Posts: 4,489
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11-29-2008 07:26
From: Pserendipity Daniels If someone begs me for money I usually ask if they have change of a $1000L note . . . Pep (You soon find out if they *are* n00bs that way) oh i am so doing this from now on.. i don't mind helping someone that needs it but i have had a few that actually keep iming me in the past for more..the loans each time getting bigger.. i never gave them any after the first loan but it didn't stop them from iming me.. it made me wonder if i was on some kind of beggers list or something.. it kind of reminds me of a time me and my father were in chicago this past summer..we were walking down rush street and this lady stopped and asked us if we had some spare change or anything we could spare.. my father gave her a $10.00 bill..she pulled out this big wad of money rolled in half. right in front of us she tucked it in her 10's section.. she had more on her than we did put together.. my father told her to put that effort into getting a real job.. some do it because they need it some do it as a job.
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Steely Carver
The dreamer or the dream?
Join date: 10 Nov 2007
Posts: 515
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11-29-2008 07:48
From: Grayam Dagger Now I am going to go ahead here and raise a touchy subject. ((NOT)) NOOBS! Now we all see those guys in SL in the noobie outfits with obviously no money, AV, AO, or anything that us "l33t" players have and we all either make fun of them, or ignore their requests/pleads for help in getting involved in the game. Now I remember when I was a noob, it wasn't too long ago, about 16 months, and I could remember asking people for help or that 25L to buy a starter kit and either I got ignored, or a land mark to an escort shop (costs money) or a sandbox (get greifed) or a freebies place (shitty stuff that people for some reason can't sell)! Now I will start to get to my point, why do we do this? I mean we all went through these same troubles and we all got ignored, we all hated being treated like a well "noob" but why do we do the same back to them? I mean I try to help out noobs when I can, but really, most of the time I blow them off with a simple Landmark to a freebie place or notecard! So whats your opinion? **JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN I AM AT WORK, ALL I DO IS HELP NOOBS! JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS!** Don't know why people would not want to help anyone. I offer help whenever I can, n00b or not. Sometimes they are kind of cute/funny so I giggle a little under my breath, but I try to fix them up so they don't get picked on.
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Snickers Snook
Odd Princess - Trout 7.3
Join date: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 746
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11-29-2008 11:50
I f I meet a newb and they seem nice, I usually give them a couple of free outfits from my own design collection.
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Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
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11-29-2008 13:19
I help out noobs/newbs/newbies and was once a member of a group who gave extensive advice. I have given them money and even offered them a place to stay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's a "one-night stand". BUT seriously, I think jerk-newbs become jerk-residents (in fact their jerkiness only increases as their confidence and lack of empathy grows) BUT sweet-newbs stay sweet and even if they forget you (which 99.999 percent do) then at least you were nice to a REAL person behind teh avatar persona.
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