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11-27-2008 06:45
and your modelling tutes are great, and and helped me greatly along my noobie zbrush efforts ;)
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11-27-2008 06:46
I love helping female newbies i like it when they stand beside me and look @ me from head to toe & i would automatically send them stuffs for makeover (giggles).... i only ignore those newbies that are untolerably b***hy & bastardic and those alts that pretends to be newbies and would try their hardest just to annoy you (*pouts lips*)
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11-27-2008 06:59
From: Grayam Dagger
Now we all see those guys in SL in the noobie outfits with obviously no money, AV, AO, or anything that us "l33t" players have and we all either make fun of them, or ignore their requests/pleads for help in getting involved in the game.


l33t is only applicable to members of the FIC. Everyone else is a newb.
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11-27-2008 07:10
Ive been involved with NCI since its start. Before that I was a SL Instructor, Mentor and Live Helper.... one thing has to be remembered by the new rezzies themselves. Any help you recieve is on a volunteer basis, treat these people as what they are and do. Helping new rezzies is a 2 way street act accordingly :)


BTW Thanx Dark I remember those days :)
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11-27-2008 07:14
From: Grayam Dagger
remember asking people for help or that 25L to buy a starter kit and either I got ignored, or a land mark to an escort shop (costs money) or a sandbox (get greifed) or a freebies place (shitty stuff that people for some reason can't sell)!
From: someone


Try that in *any* game on the internet and expect similar or worse reaction. Beggers are generaly dispised the net over, almost as much as gold farmers.

In Everquest the common reaction to a begger was to tell them to target you level 80 Shadowknight and type in /D ..for Donation! .....what they didnt know was /D actualy was the command to start a Duel... and a free trip back to thier bind point.
Solar Legion
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11-27-2008 07:20
From: Grayam Dagger
Now I am going to go ahead here and raise a touchy subject. ((NOT)) NOOBS! Now we all see those guys in SL in the noobie outfits with obviously no money, AV, AO, or anything that us "l33t" players have and we all either make fun of them, or ignore their requests/pleads for help in getting involved in the game. Now I remember when I was a noob, it wasn't too long ago, about 16 months, and I could remember asking people for help or that 25L to buy a starter kit and either I got ignored, or a land mark to an escort shop (costs money) or a sandbox (get greifed) or a freebies place (shitty stuff that people for some reason can't sell)! Now I will start to get to my point, why do we do this? I mean we all went through these same troubles and we all got ignored, we all hated being treated like a well "noob" but why do we do the same back to them? I mean I try to help out noobs when I can, but really, most of the time I blow them off with a simple Landmark to a freebie place or notecard! So whats your opinion?


1. Not everyone is a jerk - many actually help out new users.

2. A "Newb" is a new user. A "n00b" (or any other spelling similar) is a user who - no matter how long they have been using a specific service or playing a specific game - is totally devoid of any common sense, intelligence, is totally incapable of learning anything ... You get the idea. even the most seasoned user can be a "n00b".
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Grayam Dagger
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11-27-2008 07:41
From: Arcane Clawtooth
I don't actively seek out newbies, but I do try to help them when I'm asked nicely. Rude noobs get ignored quickly :)

My friends and I keep a collection of boxes in a "Noob" folder of free stuff that we thought would be helpful to those starting out. Some nice clothes, a few furry avatars (I get that request a lot when people see me), a simple AO, a couple houses and a couple vehicles (most free ones are not that helpful though, poor handling). We also have a couple weapons since it's such a common request (a gun and a lightsaber kit).

So, how many others have noob kits?



The Police Department I work for is geared around educating noobs and helping them get integrated into SL! We have huge and very extensive "noob kits" to hand out!
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One more thing:
11-27-2008 07:46
What do you define noobs as? Like age...
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11-27-2008 07:49
I will help a newbie if they ask me directly.

It's been my experience that new people tend to just type 'hi' in the middle of a crowd. Everyone ends up thinking that they are talking to someone else. Sometimes they even shout 'hi' to everyone which is dumb because no one is going reply back with a shout. I usually don't help unless it becomes painfully obvious that no one is answering them.

I also help sex crazed newbies too. They tend to get abused and ignored by even the helpful residents. I give them a freebie penis and a landmark. It gets them out of trouble in the welcome area and hopefully keeps them satisfied. Hey, it helps the retention rate right? If lust and hate is the candy..
Jannae Karas
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11-27-2008 07:52
From: Bree Giffen
I will help a newbie if they ask me directly. I also help sex crazed newbies too. They tend to get abused and ignored by even the helpful residents. I give them a freebie penis and a landmark. It gets them out of trouble in the welcome area and hopefully keeps them satisfied. Hey, it helps the retention rate right? If lust and hate is the candy..


:eek:

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11-27-2008 07:55
The simple, if rather harsh, answer to your question is: "because there are so many newbies".

I like helping new people and I help out at NCI quite a lot, but if you take one person on a tour of newbie shopping places then 10 others will arrive and be without help while you are gone. I don't like to just give money to newbies either - partly because if they don't accept the financial realities of SL they probably aren't going to enjoy it in the end, but also because I don't like the situation where one newbie gets money and 1000 don't. If there was a reason why they should have an reward/advantage (eg, they are building something and need L$10 for an upload) then that's great, but otherwise it'll just seem unfair when other newbies find out about it, and they will.
Solar Legion
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11-27-2008 08:13
From: Grayam Dagger
What do you define noobs as? Like age...


noob, n00b etc.: A user of any degree of time spent on a service or playing a game with no ability to learn anything, zero common sense, no intelligence, confusing 'leet speak' for a normal conversation practice and using terms of such in the wrong manner or in a continual manner ... You get the idea.

Newb, Newbie, etc.: New User.
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Ceka Cianci
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11-27-2008 08:50
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I beg to differ. Newbies, yes, and l33tspk would actually type it as n00bs

Pep (But of course you can say whatever you like as long as you don't expect others to follow the same conventions)

i was in the $cene myself for a while i know what they mean..n00b was always someone who thought they knew what they were doing but didn't or acted like an idiot typing up a bunch of wanna be 1337 speak junk and most times resulted in stfu n00b..it's always been an insult..
thats like saying ghey and gay are the same nowdays.
noob/n00b is an insult..newb is not


still you should read this you will get a laugh out of it..i know i did.it's a funny version of the two meanings ;)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob

i had some funny examples typed but i guess the forum doesn't allow a lot of 1337 typed up..
thank god for that i guess ;)
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11-27-2008 08:55
first had to double take on the word on the title, read it wrong LOL. but anyways I help where I can and educate were I can. my time is limited with being an estate manager so the ones I do get to help seem apperciative and sincere. but I would really like to get some noobie packs from people so I can hand them out, or even better some LM's to these places where they can pick them up. so if you can guys or gals, drop me the LM's or even the packages themselves onto my profile as me putting one together would be eep. dont think I have really anything geared towards the new ones.
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11-27-2008 09:38
From: Ceka Cianci
it's newbs not noobs lol
newbs is new people..i can't even call them newbs i call them new people because i feel like i am still insulting them calling them newbs lol

noobs or otherwise know also as nubs are people that know what they are doing but do stupid not ignorant but stupid things and know better..
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I beg to differ. Newbies, yes, and l33tspk would actually type it as n00bs

Pep (But of course you can say whatever you like as long as you don't expect others to follow the same conventions)
From: Solar Legion
2. A "Newb" is a new user. A "n00b" (or any other spelling similar) is a user who - no matter how long they have been using a specific service or playing a specific game - is totally devoid of any common sense, intelligence, is totally incapable of learning anything ... You get the idea. even the most seasoned user can be a "n00b".
Sorry, could not resist:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbie

Newbie (also said as nooby or newby) is a slang term for a newcomer to online gaming or an Internet activity. It can also be used for any other activity in whose context a somewhat clueless newcomer could exist. It can have derogatory connotations, but is also often used for descriptive purposes only, without a value judgement.
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The word newbie is a variant of 'new boy' and comes from British public school and military slang[
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In internet usage the spelling "newbie" has been the norm, with some use of the shortened form "newb" (or "noob";).

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http://www.wikihow.com/Define-the-Difference-Between-a-Noob-and-a-Newbie

Difference:

* A "noob" is a begging, lying, spamming, cheating and extremely annoying person.
* A "newbie" is a person that is new to the site who is very innocent compared to a noob.
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Newbies ask "How do you ____?" questions while noobs ask "Can you give me ____?" questions


:D :p
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11-27-2008 09:41
From: Grayam Dagger
The Police Department I work for ... SL!



Sorry, I just find that concept quite comical.
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11-27-2008 09:43
From: Grayam Dagger
when I was a noob, it wasn't too long ago, about 16 months, and I could remember asking people for help or that 25L to buy a starter kit and either I got ignored...


That's unfortunate. When I was a newbie I got help from many nice people. Now being a bit older it is my turn to help the newbies. That's why I mentor. I enjoy helping others.
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11-27-2008 09:53
From: Monalisa Robbiani
That's unfortunate. When I was a newbie I got help from many nice people. Now being a bit older it is my turn to help the newbies. That's why I mentor. I enjoy helping others.


One thing I have noticed as various family members joined SL ( many of whom did the I want to explore without the established family guiding me thing) is that it seems like there is more genuine help out there offered to female AVs and that it is often offered by other female AVs. Many of these ladies had a bad time explaining to thier very kind helpers that they really didn't need it, they had established people in game and were CHOOSING to go it on thier own for a bit to llearn and find thier own way.
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11-27-2008 10:01
From: Kyllie Wylie
From: Grayam Dagger
remember asking people for help or that 25L to buy a starter kit and either I got ignored, or a land mark to an escort shop (costs money) or a sandbox (get greifed) or a freebies place (shitty stuff that people for some reason can't sell)!
From: someone


Try that in *any* game on the internet and expect similar or worse reaction. Beggers are generaly dispised the net over, almost as much as gold farmers.

In Everquest the common reaction to a begger was to tell them to target you level 80 Shadowknight and type in /D ..for Donation! .....what they didnt know was /D actualy was the command to start a Duel... and a free trip back to thier bind point.



exactly!

I totally ignore the beggers...
first thing that comes to mind when someone asks me for lindens (not how to get them, but wants me to give them some) is....

is this an alt with a new ploy to get lindens, preying on the generosity of strangers?

*shrug*

oh..as for newbs vrs noobs... I pretty much exchange it back and forth, depending on what my fingers type or what version other ppl are using...
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11-27-2008 10:15
Newbies (OK, beginners!) asking me for help generally get a positive response. Its usually in the form of a LM to free stuff, a URL for a to do list or some quick advice. I'm not a bottomless well of patience though, and you do get people who just don't seem to get it. I once had a guy failing for 5 minutes to click on a large and extremely obvious dance-ball after he'd asked me to show him how to dance, despite my pointing at it, standing under it, sitting on it, streaming particles at it (not even a laggy area either). Eventually I just had to give it up as a bad job, half-convinced he was taking the piss.

Sometimes people just ask at the wrong time (can you come show me X, when I'm in the middle of a delicate build of hundreds of nanoprims), or ask the wrong thing, don't seem to understand basic instructions, actually don't have a language in common or whatever. You can't help everyone.

And to the OP... sorry, if I'm asked for money - even paltry amounts - I quickly get annoyed. I'm not here to fund your SL, or anyone else's.
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11-27-2008 11:03
From: LittleMe Jewell

* A "noob" is a begging, lying, spamming, cheating and extremely annoying person.
* A "newbie" is a person that is new to the site who is very innocent compared to a noob.
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Newbies ask "How do you ____?" questions while noobs ask "Can you give me ____?" questions
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omg hahaha this one was so adorable hahahahah
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11-27-2008 12:16
From: Grayam Dagger
l see those guys in SL in the noobie outfits with obviously no money, AV, AO, or anything that us "l33t" players have and we all either make fun of them, or ignore their requests/pleads for help in getting involved in the game.

I spend about 50% of my time helping. Nuff said.
Limonella Sorbet
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11-27-2008 14:40
From: Grayam Dagger
Now I remember when I was a noob, it wasn't too long ago, about 16 months, and I could remember asking people for help or that 25L to buy a starter kit and either I got ignored, or a land mark to an escort shop (costs money) or a sandbox (get greifed) or a freebies place (shitty stuff that people for some reason can't sell)!


Let me understand this. You went around asking total strangers for money and were offended they didn't give it to you? The nerve of them!

I hope you thanked the ones who still tried to help, even if you didn't thrill at what you got. What's wrong with a freebie shop anyway? There are a lot of things in them that are as good or better than what you can buy. Also a lot of top quality shops put a freebie or two in those places as a sample and advertisement.

From: someone
I mean I try to help out noobs when I can, but really, most of the time I blow them off with a simple Landmark to a freebie place or notecard! So whats your opinion?


Why would you ask us, when you do this yourself? Ask yourself.

First, I don't consider taking time out from what I am doing - whether it's shopping, or talking to an in-world friend, or even sorting my inventory - to search for and hand out a landmark to somewhere that might be very helpful, "blowing them off." Does only money count in your opinion? They can buy Lindens like anyone else can. Or if they can't for some reason, they can work in-world or camp or hunt down money trees, same as everyone else, again.

Asking people for money with barely a hello (sometimes not even that) let alone repeatedly as some do, is obnoxious, and can even be griefing. Aggressive pandhandlers usually aren't met with cheers and applause.

So that's my opinion as to why.

From: someone
**JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN I AM AT WORK, ALL I DO IS HELP NOOBS! JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS!**


Then do it.

I help newcomers all the time - how much and how, depends upon the person. I've shown people around SL, answered questions, given landmarks, and given full perm items from inventory. I always ask first, and only if they've asked for help or seem to need it do I ask if they need anything. But I am helpful - not a doormat.
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11-27-2008 14:58
From: Limonella Sorbet
Let me understand this. You went around asking total strangers for money and were offended they didn't give it to you? The nerve of them!

I hope you thanked the ones who still tried to help, even if you didn't thrill at what you got. What's wrong with a freebie shop anyway? There are a lot of things in them that are as good or better than what you can buy. Also a lot of top quality shops put a freebie or two in those places as a sample and advertisement.



Why would you ask us, when you do this yourself? Ask yourself.

First, I don't consider taking time out from what I am doing - whether it's shopping, or talking to an in-world friend, or even sorting my inventory - to search for and hand out a landmark to somewhere that might be very helpful, "blowing them off." Does only money count in your opinion? They can buy Lindens like anyone else can. Or if they can't for some reason, they can work in-world or camp or hunt down money trees, same as everyone else, again.

Asking people for money with barely a hello (sometimes not even that) let alone repeatedly as some do, is obnoxious, and can even be griefing. Aggressive pandhandlers usually aren't met with cheers and applause.

So that's my opinion as to why.



Then do it.

I help newcomers all the time - how much and how, depends upon the person. I've shown people around SL, answered questions, given landmarks, and given full perm items from inventory. I always ask first, and only if they've asked for help or seem to need it do I ask if they need anything. But I am helpful - not a doormat.



That was great! Thanks for that post. I think you were confused, I wasn't offended if they didn't give me money, just a lot of time they would blow me off (ignore me) when they could have said a polite "No, sorry! But here is a starter kit to help new residents in SL".
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11-27-2008 15:00
From: Grayam Dagger
That was great! Thanks for that post. I think you were confused, I wasn't offended if they didn't give me money, just a lot of time they would blow me off (ignore me) when they could have said a polite "No, sorry! But here is a starter kit to help new residents in SL".


Ok. Sorry I misunderstood that bit.

Still, it should be understandable if people ignored you. A lot of the same social rules apply online as do in real life - if you walked up to someone you'd never met, or newly met, in real life and asked for $25, you would mostly get negative responses as well. Some might give it to you, but most would either ignore you, or offer something else that made them feel like less of a chump. ;-)
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