Need to clear something up on racialy charged content

I'm trying to help solve a renting issue in which a home renter in a private sim was asked to take down certain contents from his home. The TOS seems to be pretty clear:

(iv) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content as determined by Linden Lab at its sole discretion that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, causes tort, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

So I'm really just gathering relevant information to help solve the quarrel.

My question: is nazi paraphernalia as swastikas, portraits of Hitler as Fuhrer and other nazi-related content, something "determined by Linden Lab" to be "hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;" ?

On a private note I believe it is a clear case of offensive content, but I need a linden answer to help settle this and if necessary file an AR.

if youre the sim owner, kick him. why bother with the ar?
if your not the sim owner, just stop camming into his home.

i know someone will come along with actual, factual information - but i know that in the past LL has taken a STERN stand against Naziism in SL. if in doubt, AR it and let LL bring down their heavy hand against the avatar, and you can keep out of it.

on a personal note - not everyone will understand the mentality behind someone worshping and holding in high regard a symbol that represents murder on a massive level. i certainly don't. but if it was me who owned the land, i would not allow it to be displayed. over 6 million european jews alone were murdered in a genocide during WWII, in terrible, painful, evil ways- including children. i think it is disgusting that someone would celebrate that. in fact, it angers me.

It is pretty much objectionable. And in Germany, even the mere depiction is forbidden, let alone glorification/decoration...

Thank you for your responses. This is not my sim, but it belongs to an estate where i have certain managemnt responsabilities - basicly its my job to present all this to the sim owner when he logs back on - his last request was that the content was taken down, so now its up to him to respond to non compliance. Yes, he'll probably get banned just for the covenant breach.

And no, I wasn't camming into anyone's houses - it was actualy the owner of the nazi stuff who contacted ME, complaining his rights were being questioned. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.

In 2005 there was this crazy lady with a concentration camp with gas chamber and starving prisoners. Lindens were up in the air about it until the massive protests started.Then LL removed her content.That is when LL took a stand against swastikas.

Now if only we can get them to ban the Che posters and Communist symbols.

Personally, I cannot stand any of the Nazi stuff, but I still firmly believe that people should be able to put it up in their homes if that is their choice.

I may not agree with your views, but I will fight to the death for your right to them.

Shall we lobby to remove the American flags and those of her allies in Iraq while we're at it?

Get some perspective.

And LOLCATZ!

Pep (Where do you draw the line on offensive material?)

LL took a stand against stastikas and pictures of Hitler back in 03 and 04 and often in Jessie - where those turret weapons attackd Lindens on sight.

Now whether that stand has been cosistent is a different story, but LL has generally moved swiftly to remove such content.

I in no way endorse such symbols, but I will personally defend anyone's right to have them or display them. I agree, they are hateful, but so are a lot of things in the public venue, and who has the right to make that call? As much as the United States gets flamed by the rest of the world, this is one area that they defend where I am proud to say I live here.

Granted, LL can decide whatever they want... but it doesn't mean I support their policy.

AR them and let Linden Lab make the call. And, since your sim owner seems to be inclined to eject and ban them let him/her do so......that is well within the rights of the sim owner.

Then move on.

Nazi stuff should be removed promptly,however not all swastika symbols are Nazi.Navajo Indian rugs sometimes have the same sign.

In the United States, he would have something of a complaint. A lot of First Amendment law has been developed defending Nazi groups' rights to show their hatred. In a way, it's one of the proud badges of U.S. freedom- we are so secure with our freedoms that we even let garbage speech like Nazi propaganda happen without undue interference.

However, a lot of people get the First Amendment a little confused, and forget that the First Amendment is a constraint on government action only. Linden Lab isn't the government. This guy's rights in relation to private parties- e.g., Second Life, you, other residents- are purely contractual.

Given that Nazi propaganda is (if I remember correctly) illegal in Germany, and Second Life has a significant German resident base, Linden Lab would probably actually act quickly to toss the Nazi content if they were informed. Linden Lab went after sexual ageplay to satisfy German legal authorities; I don't think they'd make exceptions for Nazis.

As Blot says, the swastika has been used by other groups for much longer a time than the Nazi's used it, but if the overall content is Nazi related, it is against the TOS, and yes, up to your estate manager to remove or for an AR to be sent to LL. As for Che Guevera and communist symbols, I'm not entirely sure how that logically follows, since neither he, nor the Communist idea promotes/ed genocide or racial intolerance.

He was joking.

You know, in a way I admire Americans for their stance of "no matter how wrong it is, they have a right to say it out loud!".

In the same instance, I wonder if those same people would uphold those speeches for long if we were talking about, say, guys saying how they like to shag little girls, and hey, neighbor, your 8-year old daughter looks tasty, no harm in saying so, right? Or, how human flesh tastes if cooked just the right way, and how feisty your wife's arms look, yum.

Y'know, I just wonder if they'd keep this up if it hits a subject that is touchy for them.

Edit: Like sex.

Ah well that's alright then. I guess I was too.

We Americans generally tout freedom of speech in all things. I have yet to find anyone who says there are no consequences, however, and we do like to keep courtesy and manners in mind. (At least some of us).

Stating racist beliefs is considered ill-mannered in most places, but no one will say straight out 'You can't say that'. They'll just be unhappy that it's been said, is all.

In the more extremely taboo areas, such as the 'shag little girls' example of yours, people may react even more strongly, specifically if that child is their own. Some may go so far as to call the police, though saying such things is not a crime.

eeep - didn't mean to start an argument, though yes, its touchy material. Thing is, we can argue about what its like in one or another country for ages, linden labs seem to have its own standards (especialy if we consider of their servers as their own little country!). But thank you for the replies, I have my homework done now Somehow things always end up knocking on my door around there, tee hee

A lot of non-caucasian people would disagree. But I'll keep quiet now.

lol - just as i was posting my last reply, our little interior decorator saw the landlord's point and removed everything - dead issue yay ^^!

Well..true. But that's a bit different, and a bit more ridiculous, in my opinion.

Society determines what is right or wrong.......legal or illegal. Simply stating agreement with something that society has said is wrong is not, in itself, truly wrong.....at least here in the United States (it's a society thing). However, there further refinements to the rights and wrongs in societies.........take the "hate crime" law we have in the United States. Simply speaking thoughts to others going against the grain of generally accepted "wrongs" can become a felony crime..........and get you put in a prison. It's our laws........dictated by our society.

Anyone can take anything to extremes, put a fact (or two) to it and manipulate the extreme to become equal in stature to the society's belief of the right or wrong. That always entails some rather creative thought process and taking a very broad interpetation of the meanings of words. In some cases it even makes sense (though, generally in some perverted way). But, after all that, it's still what the society dictates that is what is actually right or wrong. The displaying of Nazi symbols and ideas is against what society determines as acceptable. As does the endorsements of child molestation, cannibalism, and any other universally forbidden act. The comparison is childish and shows total lack understanding what people hold dear to themselves. It's an argument for the sake of arguing.........shows only the ignorance of right and wrong.