Are you "Comfortable" with your avatar?
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Dimitrio Lewis
Aspergian
Join date: 3 Oct 2005
Posts: 54
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11-10-2009 11:47
I didn't see this thread the first time around, and I'm surprised and upset to learn that paranoia has led to such stigma around child avatars.
I had a kid avatar for about nine months back in 2006 when I was working at a club and there was never any issue from guests at that time. It was the perfect avatar for my personality back then and I always felt that the down to earth simplicity of it provided me with a better platform for exercising maturity and authority as a manager.
As one of the venues on the popular places list a large number of residents would have passed through our doors during the early days of their second lives. My appearance never stopped anyone from getting naked and dancing next to me, or asking me to dance, or outright hitting on me if they were inclined. It simply wasn't taboo in those days and I did end up dating a couple of people, although the relationships were kept PG.
If this is what the policy has done to our community then I question whether we made the right decision after all. I would rather see people embrace sexual ageplay than segregation.
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Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
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11-10-2009 12:03
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Benski Trenkins
Free speech for the dumb
Join date: 23 Feb 2008
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11-10-2009 12:04
For me it's slightly different. I don't feel comfortable looking too much human. That's why the FG black skin, green cateyes, K9's etc. I don't fit in a 'category' (like Neko, Lycan, Vampire, etc etc) and that's just fine with me.
Sometimes I use a more 'normal' skin, when situation requires it, but don't feel comfortable with that somehow.
As for fantasy avatars, anything will do, specially dragons in all sizes.
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Holocluck Henly
Holographic Clucktor
Join date: 11 Apr 2008
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11-10-2009 12:17
Well my main online persona is the result of ten years, from hiding from stalkers, role play in Trek sims, to taking the character beyond the known scenario while keeping him fairly within canon in behavior. It's not too far from my own personality, except like with animals and puppets, you can go a little beyond the usual behavioral range. People who know the character understand the whiney tone I'm more at liberty to apply. I'm pretty much one with it and got used to the look. Putting an entirely ordinary-looking person into bizarre clothes or crowds is kinda fun Re discomfort of others, I can see Immy's point, since many see my character's hairline and immediately peg me as some dull NORMAL corporate lackey type. I dont think people are comfortable with his appearance and expect him to wear button down shirts with sweat spots and walk around saying "How about that heat?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfjQ1hWV00UImmy, you always look a little confused to me. Somewhere between jailbait and a short (by SL standards) adult. I aint intimidated by you. Just still wondering when you're gonna fix my sink. My alt was by accident. Snurky was meant to be a test for clothes and avatars without having to leave my shape on the primary avatar, and just ended up remaining a kooky eccentric female.
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 5,707
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11-10-2009 13:24
From: Imnotgoing Sideways I've been thinking about it for a while. I kinda know about the history of kid avatars in SL and all the horror stories of the harassment that still seems to continue. I have been reading the forum posts of people that avoid kid avatars like a disease. The funny thing is that nobody inworld has even ever considered to ask me up front why I'm so small.
Actually... I have had ask how, but only on a technical point of view... They wanted to know my slider settings. (^_^)
But, I really am asking myself lately... Why did I choose to be one of the socially messiest avatar types possible and go as far as considering it to be my (mostly) permanent inworld presence? After thinking about it, I'm starting to put ideas together... (=_=)
Am I trying to relive my childhood or a childhood I never had? - I don't think so. I like to think of myself as a person that lives in the 'now' and doesn't hold on to the past or have any anxiety for the future.
Am I an S&M type trying to take on a submissive role? - No way! I could never be that much of a pushover. I refuse to be adopted. And I eat the rude!
So, what am I doing to myself? - I think I'm trying to characterize the way I really feel in RL. The rules, regulations, and restrictions that are applied to kid avatars in SL very closely reflect my own personal limitations I deal with all the time. People, places, and things that are unapproachable inworld have the same untouchable feel to them in my own mind. Not that I don't have the desire to dive into situations or locations. It's more that I've been conditioned enough to have a certain fear of those things to the point where I avoid them to no end.
As a person, I don't think I've ever truly matured. Sure, I type nice and sometimes use big words, but my own mind and behavior is very underdeveloped from what I see in the world around me. I internalized a lot of the restrictions I dealt with as a RL kid to the point that it wasn't "No smoking under 18", "No drinking under 21", "Too young for that language" because I saw it more like "No smoking for YOU", "No drinking for YOU", "No swearing for YOU".
So... As a kid avatar in SL, I find myself in the perfect fit for myself. And, maybe that's why it's so difficult for me to step out of character inworld. Maybe that's why I find myself becoming so freakishly nervous when I'm in my biggie shape. It seems to explain the simple minded guilt I feel when I approach my friends in a 5'5" avatar. My inworld presence really does feel like a perfect fit for the way I feel about myself in RL.
How about you? How much of a connection do you feel with the form of your avatar? How do you live with the perks and limitations that come with your avatar of choice? And, is there ever a form you take on with your avatar that makes you uncomfortable?
***Please excuse me for sounding a bit emo/freakish... I'm funny that way. (=_=) At a wild guess comparing your choice of unrealistic AV to mine, Imissed a lot of typical young life experiences, I haven't settled down and had a family like I'm supposed to have done 10 years ago, so still injoy the non responsible lifestyle but in RL due to age can never go back and do the things I missed when young. Everyone reaches a questioning stage of their life, and for those not tied into a lifepath by marraige kids etc, the questions are a lot bigger and we may never decide on answers.
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Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
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11-10-2009 15:23
I love being me. Don't wanna be anyone else. In real or otherwise.
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Anemone Roddenham
Lycanthrope
Join date: 21 Aug 2009
Posts: 7
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11-10-2009 16:24
I tend to switch dressing between a very harajuku style japanese kitsune, to a more odd creepy demonic being.. sometimes splicing them together. Clothing, red and black... Hardly anyone speaks with me ;_; unless they require assistance.
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Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
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11-10-2009 17:15
From: Jig Chippewa I love being me. Don't wanna be anyone else. In real or otherwise. I love being me, too.  I am only sad that I can't really be me in RL. :-/
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Weston Graves
Werebeagle
Join date: 24 Mar 2007
Posts: 2,059
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11-10-2009 18:02
Great resurrected thread, apropos of another thread across the street that we will not name.
I'm almost always in beagle form and it's my way of saying, plainer than any profile ramblings could say, that everyone I encounter is safe from me, that I am not going to embarrass the ladies with ridiculous newbie pick up lines or grief anyone. It's a great ice breaker as I don't always have the social skills or energy to break the ice in human form. I am very comfortable as a beagle and even enjoy occasionally trying to get into the mind set of a dog in RP. (But I try not to overdo that. That could become tedious quickly.)
I use my human avatar for dancing since the beagle cannot. I am not quite as comfortable in it, though it does have most of my RL features, idealized of course. I do have blond hair and glasses in RL, and the hairstyle I found is almost identical to my RL hairstyle. I am a lot shorter than most male avs because I wanted realistic proportions.
It's not all just looks though. What about your AO? I know I have some dance moves that are not quite right. I'm still looking for some that really fit my personality. Most male dances are downright dorkfests. There is also one stand in my AO I need to get rid of. It's kind of a sullen teenager pose. I just haven't got around to finding it and removing it. I think body language goes a long way toward making us feel more like ourselves. That's another reason I like the beagle. It's always happy and walks with a jaunty springy step. In RL life I'm often a bitter curmudgeon lately, burned out on my job. I want to have the virtual upbeat body language I can't often achieve in RL.
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Windsweptgold Wopat
Registered User
Join date: 24 May 2007
Posts: 1,003
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11-10-2009 20:35
I am very comfortable with my AV. I have had the shape and skin for almost 3 yrs,some may say time for an update. I change her hair style often and clothing but other than that nothing has changed.
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Davin Romano
jerk
Join date: 21 Mar 2008
Posts: 384
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11-11-2009 04:20
my avie looks like me whe I was single. And I must be comfortable since I can't change him. And OP- we are the same, never growing up. I'm afraid of having kids since at 30 I still feel and act 19.
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Lear Cale
wordy bugger
Join date: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,569
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11-11-2009 06:46
From: Jig Chippewa I love being me. Don't wanna be anyone else. In real or otherwise. Well, to paraphrase Sartre .. I'd rather do you than be you. But I'm sure it's fun to be you, too! 
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Riseon Kosten
*Rizzy*
Join date: 27 Apr 2008
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11-11-2009 07:45
From: Talarus Luan I love being me, too.  I am only sad that I can't really be me in RL. :-/ What an awesome answer. 
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Beach Adored
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jul 2009
Posts: 20
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11-11-2009 08:29
From: Czari Zenovka Interesting question  In short, I feel most comfortable in an AV that has at least some of my physical characteristics. Perhaps in psych-lingo it means I'm comfortable in my own skin.  This is actually me, too. My av is a bit younger than I am, but similar in looks and size. My av is short because I'm short. She is a 'better' version of me. Personally, I have a problem with child avs if you are using the child av to do adult things. That just squicks me out.
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Lear Cale
wordy bugger
Join date: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,569
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11-11-2009 08:32
From: Beach Adored Personally, I have a problem with child avs if you are using the child av to do adult things. That just squicks me out. Let's not talk about that here. It's been argued to death already, to the detriment of otherwise good threads.
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 5,707
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11-11-2009 12:27
From: Pserendipity Daniels IBTL
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Pussycat Catnap
Sex Kitten
Join date: 15 Jun 2009
Posts: 1,131
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11-13-2009 09:57
I feel at home in all three of my 'main' avatars.
Pussycat the most so - that just feels very 'me' even though I am less inhibited in her than I am in RL.
Pussycat is my neko avatar. Nekos are NOT furrys, not even on a scale between human and furry. Furry is a culture and a mindset, and nekos have none of that in them. My concept of a neko is more western catgirl in mentality than Japanese hentai-sex-slave.
When I'm on Pussycat I just am myself, more like my RL self than my 'forum self' - I'm a lot friendlier on her than I am here, and a lot less likely to argue with people. But I am still the same stickler for social justice, a good social contract - and working to uphold it, and of course my perspective and views don't change, just my ability to convey them in a more friendly way. (I don't know why I rub people the wrong way so often in forums - but I'm glad that somehow inside of SL I am able to communicate closer to my RL style than my forum style.
Bunny is an Usagi. Think of a neko, and replace the ears, tail, and fangs with bunny versions.
Bunny feels very welcoming, but she also feels a little like I am 'putting out' an aspect of myself rather than just being me. In Bunny I feel more primal, but also more techy. She evokes my sense of future and my sense of past.
Mocha is a faun (aka satyr). If you don't know what a faun is, you mythology class. Think of a woman with goat legs, horns, tail, and ears. I don't have pan pipes, but I have the rest of the concept down.
Mocha is a bit the same as Bunny. Though in Mocha I feel a little more sensual and naughty.
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Yann Mizser
.:Second Life SmartAss:.
Join date: 24 Feb 2007
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11-13-2009 10:05
From: Pussycat Catnap I feel at home in all three of my 'main' avatars. Doesn't this qualify as Schizophrenia? Muah ah ah ah !!!! *runs away*
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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11-13-2009 10:21
From: Yann Mizser Doesn't this qualify as Schizophrenia? No, Multiple Body Disorder.
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Beach Adored
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jul 2009
Posts: 20
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11-13-2009 11:39
From: Lear Cale Let's not talk about that here. It's been argued to death already, to the detriment of otherwise good threads. First, I wasn't planning to argue about it. Second, I'm new in the forums so even if it has been argued to death already, there may be others like me who have something to say about it. Are you saying that just because people who've been on the forums awhile have already hashed something out that those new to them shouldn't be allowed to talk about their opinions? Just making sure I know the rules here, ya know.
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Rhonda Huntress
Kitteh Herder
Join date: 21 Dec 2008
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11-13-2009 11:43
First, intentions mean little. It will become an argument as shown in the many threads so far about this.
Second, it is more saying there are copious chances to post your opinions on the matter in any of the dozen or more threads already started this month without having to drag yet another unrelated thread into the quagmire.
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Rafe Phoenix
AKA Rafe Zessinthal
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 490
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11-13-2009 11:52
I like my avatar shape as Rafe Zessinthal, the avatar I have been using for a year now. As I've recently stated I just got Rafe Phoenix back a day and a half ago. It's been since March of '06 since I have logged in with this avatar. The fist thing I thought was "OMG he's freaking HUGE" all muscular and too tall. When looking at pre'06 pics Phoenix turns out to be an average male avie. He's even close to average now, but seems out of place in social settings. I'm just now realizing that its not the avatar being too out of place as far as shape goes but its me not feeling like the shape is reflective of me. I am going to be using Phoenix in world more than Zessinthal so I will be changing his shape soon.
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Beach Adored
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jul 2009
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11-13-2009 12:07
From: Rhonda Huntress First, intentions mean little. It will become an argument as shown in the many threads so far about this.
Second, it is more saying there are copious chances to post your opinions on the matter in any of the dozen or more threads already started this month without having to drag yet another unrelated thread into the quagmire. [mini-hijack] You know, I find forums such as this so interesting. People who have been on the forums for a bit believe that because they have already had a discussion about a topic that it should not be discussed again. Regardless of whether the topic ends up being a positive one or a negative one. Telling a newcomer that they shouldn't say something because you have all debated it to death is exactly the way that forums such as this are seen as unwelcoming and exclusionary. [/end mini-hijack] The OP and resulting posts asked a question. I answered it in a pretty simple manner. If you don't like my response, then don't respond to it. My intentions really have nothing to do with it. If someone wants to come behind me and argue (um, hmmm, maybe like the people who responded telling me not to say that here), that's on them.
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Mickey Vandeverre
See you Inworld
Join date: 7 Dec 2006
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11-13-2009 12:13
From: Beach Adored [mini-hijack] You know, I find forums such as this so interesting. People who have been on the forums for a bit believe that because they have already had a discussion about a topic that it should not be discussed again. Regardless of whether the topic ends up being a positive one or a negative one. Telling a newcomer that they shouldn't say something because you have all debated it to death is exactly the way that forums such as this are seen as unwelcoming and exclusionary. [/end mini-hijack]
The OP and resulting posts asked a question. I answered it in a pretty simple manner. If you don't like my response, then don't respond to it. My intentions really have nothing to do with it. If someone wants to come behind me and argue (um, hmmm, maybe like the people who responded telling me not to say that here), that's on them. Probably not about being exclusionary in this case, at all, Beach. Probably about saving you some grief....gets pretty ugly....are you up for ugly today?
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Julianne Kaestner
Clan of the Care Bear
Join date: 13 Oct 2008
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11-13-2009 12:27
From: Beach Adored First, I wasn't planning to argue about it.
Second, I'm new in the forums so even if it has been argued to death already, there may be others like me who have something to say about it. Are you saying that just because people who've been on the forums awhile have already hashed something out that those new to them shouldn't be allowed to talk about their opinions? Just making sure I know the rules here, ya know. You innocently stepped on a sort of landmine. There are a few topics that start out well enough here but often turn into really abusive, mean-spirited train wrecks, and in the end get locked by a moderator. One hot topic that you might never expect has to do with avatar height, just for example. When you added the line about people using child avatars for adult purposes, that was like waving a red flag. If that's something you've seen or know of, you should send an Abuse Report. No one can stop you from asking anything, really. Except a moderator.
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