Be quiet! Don't talk in chat! Don't dance!
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Wulfric Chevalier
Give me a Fish!!!!
Join date: 22 Dec 2006
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05-22-2008 09:58
I use some chatspeak, although when I first came to SL I despised it, I found that having to type everything, it was easier to use the shorthand. I'd never really used realtime typed chat before, and quickly learned why chatspeak developed, even though I'm a fairly quick typist. The extent to which I use it varies according to whom I'm with and the setting though. I do use it more with people who use it heavily themselves. Going back to the OP, it does seem to me that there is less and less open chat in SL. I get the impression people are either using voice - even if it's on the open channel I'd never hear it, never turn voice on - or in IMs, even with people standing next to them. It's very strange to me, I can't see any reason for hiding most conversations. Clubs used to be full of nonstop chat, now most of them are silent except for the hoos and howlzzzzz and those bloody ASCII pictures. It makes going to a new club very dull, and hard to get a feel for the people there. In fact the only 2 clubs I go to regularly I like as much for the fact that the regulars have halfway decent and amusing conversations in open chat as for the music, even though I'm not a very chatty person myself, especially as I and my partner are usually talking in skype all the time we're on  .
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Madhu Maruti
aka Carter Denja
Join date: 6 Dec 2007
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05-22-2008 10:15
From: Qie Niangao As long as I stepped in it, I may as well wade in deep. I don't mean to be the Bill Safire (nor Roland Barthes) of txting and emoticons, but consider these utterances: 1. Qie Niangao: The piano has been drinking lol 2. Qie Niangao: LOL! The piano has been drinking. 3. Qie Niangao: The piano has been drinking.  4. Qie Niangao laughs. "The piano has been drinking." Really, do these all raise the same expectation that I'll next ask for the L$42 I'm short to buy my very first prim hair? I'd speculate that this effect is more pronounced in a diverse language environment. Silly little style cues carry more weight when vocabulary and syntax are such unreliable indicators of anything. I wonder which of these you favor. I am most likely to use 3 myself, but I've learned not to judge people who use 1 and 2, because of the broad range of cultures and backgrounds on SL - not all people know that LOL is considered by some people to look stupid. I find 4 insufferably pretentious, and am baffled when people use this form of chat for every or nearly every utterance. It also takes far longer to type than any of the others, slowing down one-on-one conversation and making group conversation basically impossible to follow. But hey, your mileage may vary. (oh, and, I know I am being judgmental about 4 even while saying I don't like to be judgmental about 1 and 2. Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds!  But all I'm saying is that I don't like the chat style of 4, find it hard to read, pretentious, and annoying - I have never acted on those impressions with respect to others though.)
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Zen Zeddmore
3dprinter Enthusiast
Join date: 31 Jul 2006
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05-22-2008 10:29
From: Amaranthim Talon "While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation." Great sig.!
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Maureen Boccaccio
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05-22-2008 10:32
From: Madhu Maruti I wonder which of these you favor. I am most likely to use 3 myself, but I've learned not to judge people who use 1 and 2, because of the broad range of cultures and backgrounds on SL - not all people know that LOL is considered by some people to look stupid. I find 4 insufferably pretentious, and am baffled when people use this form of chat for every or nearly every utterance. It also takes far longer to type than any of the others, slowing down one-on-one conversation and making group conversation basically impossible to follow. But hey, your mileage may vary. (oh, and, I know I am being judgmental about 4 even while saying I don't like to be judgmental about 1 and 2. Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds!  But all I'm saying is that I don't like the chat style of 4, find it hard to read, pretentious, and annoying - I have never acted on those impressions with respect to others though.) My inworld typing style changes, depending on the situation. For example, if I am in a one-on-one conversation, where I have little or no other chat traffic, then I tend to write everything out in longhand, if you will, so it might approximate option 4. If I am, say, at Madhu's Cafe, or the Hangout, where people are chatting up a storm, then I may abbreviate my words or use acronyms/shortcuts as needed to keep the conversation flowing...so I would use 1 or 2. No can do #3 inworld, but would like to! 
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Brenda Connolly
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05-22-2008 10:33
2 and 3 are OK, 4 is more suited for a Role Play narrative. The adding lol at the end of a post when done consistantly does annoy me, it evokes the giggling some people do to either effect nervousness or to appear "cute"
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Allegria Kanto
Trailing clouds of glory
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05-22-2008 10:36
From: Osprey Therian People should be kind to one another. There's no good reason for being judgemental unless the person is someone, say, you are going to be doing business with. People do different things at different times, and when they are with different people.
Someone on a silly lark with a friend who is judged by an onlooker as having a "single digit IQ" has done nothing to deserve that, and in fact it the judge who needs to do some soul-searching."
In SL we don't have the physical accompaniments to verbal expression that we have in RL, so people make up for that lack in various ways. QFT.... Hopefully, we can reserve judgement on people until we know enough about them to judge their intelligence and character according to the content of their speech, rather than the style. And over some period of time...hehe.
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Wildefire Walcott
Heartbreaking
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05-22-2008 10:43
From: Marianne Little Then suddenly three avatars who were sitting there started to comment us, in a sarcastic way. "This isn't a club you know" "Take your stupid chat to IM's, this is a place for peace and tranquility" and other snippy remarks. I have to admit that I was replying: "This isn't your SL you know" "I didn't see a sign where it says that chat isn't allowed" and they said they should mute us. I said fine and they continued commenting. I asked if they needed help to find "mute". Some people are just aggressively prickish. Hell, sometimes you don't even have to talk for folks to say nasty things about you- in open chat, no less. Sorry that happened to you, but you did nothing wrong. I use open chat when I don't mind if other people hear, and use IM otherwise- just like I whisper confidential things in real life. Conference IMs are a pain, so open chat is much easier when you're with more than one friend.
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Amaranthim Talon
Voyager, Seeker, Curious
Join date: 14 Nov 2006
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05-22-2008 10:43
From: Zen Zeddmore Great sig.! Thanks- but I can't take credit  I ripped it off - with permission...- lol! hehe - sorry, couldn't help myself! I never knew LOL was looked on as stupid sounding. I would hope folks I talk with know me well enough to appreciate there is a slight intellect behind the typing. Which, btw - is fraught with typos.
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
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05-22-2008 10:45
From: Beezle Warburton Okay, I'll admit to using lolspeak in a nasty sarcastic way. For example, I might characterize the people who heckled the OP thusly: ZOMG UR DANSING N PUPLIC LOL WE NOT WANT U HAV FUN HEER!!!!!eleven!!!! U R SO KEWL BEEZ! WE <3 U 4 UR LEETNESS!!!!!!!111111eleventyone "Eleventyone" pwns u  P2
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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05-22-2008 10:46
Hm. Personally speaking, I do prefer to use words, perhaps with the odd piece of _emphasis_, but am at times known to add the odd "emotional icon" when speaking to a person with whom I am not familiar and who, more importantly, may not be familiar or appreciative of my particular Sense of Humour, which might (I am told) appear a little opaque at times. Casual conversation in a textual medium is, after all, not the writing of a Letter or Essay, in which one has the space to create a properly judged piece of prose, but the sort of composition which in other realms often requires various other contexts to make sense; tone, expression and such. I am afraid I find so-called "RP" conversation rather precious, though I am sure I would not judge someone on that basis, any more than I would judge someone for writing "lol". I would similarly hope that I would not be judged for occasionally placing a  at the end of a sentence, or between clauses, though never a  except by accident - I am not in the habit of _winking at strangers_.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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05-22-2008 11:10
In situations like a crowd of people dancing open chat is fun and everyone can join in with everyone else. In situations like different groups of people in a shop with separate conversations it's sometimes easier if each group talks separately in IM's - as they would talk quietly to each other in a rl store. It's almost as if some people are just looking for an excuse to be rude. When people around me seem to be trying to provoke a rude response, I seem to be more motivated than ever to be polite instead.
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Royce Boa
RAGE: President
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05-22-2008 11:11
People can get a little carried away with policing what goes on in the chat window. In some cases, I think you need to be strict, like in an rp environment. Nothing kills rp like random gestures, lolz, wtfz, and so on.
I run a fight league, and we try our best to keep the lag as low as possible at our events, so we will eject people who flood the chat window with too many random gestures. all the lolz and such don't bother me at all, and the more joking the better.
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Crazod Zehetbauer
Registered User
Join date: 12 Sep 2007
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05-22-2008 11:15
Sure that Cloud Chateau place is made for dancing, anytime i'm there with friends we all end up dancing and chatting and messing around so i dunno what their problem was....some people are too serious in SLâ„¢ sometimes 
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Brann Georgia
Spits infinitives
Join date: 12 Dec 2007
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05-22-2008 11:58
From: Ordinal Malaprop ...familiar or appreciative of my particular Sense of Humour, which might (I am told) appear a little opaque at times. Yah, thanks for the Festive Humbugs.... 
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Brann Georgia
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05-22-2008 12:10
From: Royce Boa ...we will eject people who flood the chat window with too many random gestures. This makes me want to suggest that perhaps ASKING them to refrain from using them is a more reasonable step before hitting the eject button. However, I've been in places where asking people (politely) to stop spamming these things gets you nowhere. It comes down to "I have the right to be annoying" vs "I have the right to sit in virtual silence". In the end, compromise and consideration is probably the way to get along. Funny how that works  Admittedly, I've never even considered the mute button! What a simple, elegant and non-confrontational solution  I shall no longer be irritated by hostesses or DJ's who think that shouting WOOOO is a way to get the party going. To the OP: I've been known to dance anytime, anywhere and for no particular reason. And to do some pretty odd things to get a great shot when taking pictures during our travels. While I think I embarrassed my travelling companion by dancing "Hola" in full storm trooper costume, why stand around when you can boogie? 
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Jopsy Pendragon
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05-22-2008 12:22
From: Infrared Wind [...] I get from the folks who made the Particle, they wouldn't have any problem with some people enjoying environment and having a little dance. [...] That would be me. And you're absolutely right. The sign outside my Cloud Chateau (which way above and slightly east of the Particle Laboratory) says: "Peace and Welcome to All!" It used to say "Please make all feel welcome here", and it sounds like I should revert back to that. I've heard both sides of this particular confrontation... and I really can't say either side is at fault. Sometimes there's just "Bad Chemistry" when people collide. You see it time and time again: The urge to include, help and defend our friends sometimes leads to an urge to exclude, hinder and harass the outsiders/strangers that invade our personal space. The point of conflict/retaliation isn't "to deal with" outsiders, because it doesn't really. Instead, it seems to be done as a impulsively contrived (and ill-conceived) display of fierce loyalty to present friends. Anyway, I doubt even saints could resist the temptation of a little "Hey I'm being saintly here, quit howlzzing ya bloody newb!!" from time to time. (and yes, I often  wink... I'm not the master of sarcasm that *some* people are and have to mark it accordingly.  ) -- Why has the piano been drinking? "... cause the telephone is out of cigarettes." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F31uI1vXt8
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
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05-22-2008 12:55
and the owner is a mental midget, with the I.Q. of a fencepost. Great reply, Mister Pendragon  Mari
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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05-22-2008 13:06
From: Amaranthim Talon Well- I beg to differ- a nice lol well placed says volumes. No one really thinks you are laughing out loud- it is an appreciative comment. I guess I would be one of those whose IQ's just dropped by a good 30 points or more -
mine must have dropped quite a bit too I use the lol's because otherwise people take me too seriously (for some reason, unless I use an lol here and there, folks tend to take my posts (or in world chat) as dry and serious as for the op's situation, ignore them if they had a problem with your chat they could easily mute you and turn their camera away from you I think they just wanted something or someone to bitch about
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Derbor Torok
Lost soul
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05-22-2008 13:09
From: Marianne McCann and the owner is a mental midget, with the I.Q. of a fencepost. Great reply, Mister Pendragon  Mari lol 
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Tarina Sewell
Just Browsing Thank you
Join date: 20 Jul 2007
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05-22-2008 13:24
There are a lot of very, very nice people on SL, but there are just as many buttholes and people who have nothing better in rl or sl than to make others feel small.
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Beezle Warburton
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Join date: 10 Nov 2006
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05-22-2008 13:59
From: Brann Georgia Admittedly, I've never even considered the mute button! What a simple, elegant and non-confrontational solution  I shall no longer be irritated by hostesses or DJ's who think that shouting WOOOO is a way to get the party going. But if you mute them, you might miss the 5 minute reminders: "DONT FORGETT 2 TIP UR DJ AN DANCIRS." Without these incessant and extremely irritating reminders, the DJ may never make any tips at all!
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Cristalle Karami
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05-22-2008 14:04
Honestly, I've gotten used to lol, but its placement definitely matters. Starting with lol is most definitely better than ending with lol. Why? Who knows...
The one I can't stand is xD. That grates on my nerves incessantly.
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Beezle Warburton
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05-22-2008 14:07
From: Marianne McCann and the owner is a mental midget, with the I.Q. of a fencepost.
The carpet needs a haircut.
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Marianne McCann
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05-22-2008 14:14
From: Beezle Warburton The carpet needs a haircut. Creampuff Caspar Milquetoast 
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Brann Georgia
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05-22-2008 15:08
From: Cristalle Karami
The one I can't stand is xD. That grates on my nerves incessantly.
I am SO with you on that one! I just can't see that thing as an emoticon. I just read it as people ending their sentence with EX DEE. i.e. "The piano is totally hungover ex dee" .
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