What is the Mosh Monorail station, exactly? (O.o)
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-19-2009 19:05
So THAT'S where the initial SL proportions model came from!!! XD But, how do we explain the giant boobs? That one looked a bit on the tiny side, in comparison. (O.o)
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Holocluck Henly
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07-19-2009 22:36
The URL warranted an NSFW alert. That would have been the thing to do. Interesting that Mosh has guidelines on what content is allowed - it is a safe haven and says no nudity or graphic content as with the infohubs - and this wasn't honored. Don't whine to me about it being Zindra there are millions of other places these images would have been fine on the darn continent. It doesn't take much to do the right thing anywhere unless someone is strictly going for shock value to rile up others. This too is NSFW but everyone should see how dime a dozen most of what happens here is that so many points are included. http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-behave-on-an-internet-forumFrom: Abigail Merlin Where did this come from? I seen no complains about what is or is not in view or anyone pushing the envelope, just a wonderment about why the monorail station is being parceled up.
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Innula Zenovka
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07-20-2009 00:52
From: Holocluck Henly Interesting that Mosh has guidelines on what content is allowed - it is a safe haven and says no nudity or graphic content as with the infohubs - and this wasn't honored Where may I find these guidelines, and do they apply to the whole of Mosh? I'm genuinely confused, as, I think, are many people, by what the PG status of particular areas on Zindra means. I read it as being PG standards of behavior are required on them, not that their PG status somehow extends to everything in camera-range, trumping whatever the status of neighboring parcels might be. That's on a par with private regions, where you can, if you want, according to Blondin have PG and Adult content next to each other, so long as they are on different sims. I also, for what it's worth, don't see that the PG status of a particular parcel somehow over-rides the bit of https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/11/14/clarification-of-policy-disallowing-ageplay that says " the placement of avatars appearing to represent minors in proximity to “sex beds” or other sexualized graphics, objects, or scripts, would violate our Community Standards, as would the placement of sexualized “pose balls” or other content in areas depicting playgrounds or children’s spaces". That is, even though a parcel is PG, if it's in proximity to "sexualized graphics, objects, or scripts" that are there perfectly legally nearby, residents should not place their child avatars in that parcel, any more than they should hold orgies on it. I'm not trying to take sides on the "child avatars in Zindra" debate but, as someone with a shop there, I do want to know what the rules are, and there seem to be two radically different interpretations of them.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-20-2009 02:51
From: Innula Zenovka I read it as being PG standards of behavior are required on them, not that their PG status somehow extends to everything in camera-range, trumping whatever the status of neighboring parcels might be. That seems to be some kind of scare-tactic Lois Lane has been pushing, not anything real. * There's nothing in the ToS about what must or must not be in "camera range". It's all about whether you're looking at the kid toon and the nasty stuff together on the same view. * Nobody other than Lana Lang has been seriously suggesting that kid toons can magically block porn on other parcels.
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Ceka Cianci
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07-20-2009 04:06
From: Argent Stonecutter That seems to be some kind of scare-tactic Lois Lane has been pushing, not anything real.
* There's nothing in the ToS about what must or must not be in "camera range". It's all about whether you're looking at the kid toon and the nasty stuff together on the same view.
* Nobody other than Lana Lang has been seriously suggesting that kid toons can magically block porn on other parcels. Exactly..That's why it's all region based..The maturity ratings would not work if it was all you can see or all who can see your content on your land..If it were the case they could buy a 512 lot and push content to the land lines and claim everything around them as adult.
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Snickers Snook
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07-20-2009 04:34
From: Ceka Cianci Exactly..That's why it's all region based..The maturity ratings would not work if it was all you can see or all who can see your content on your land..If it were the case they could buy a 512 lot and push content to the land lines and claim everything around them as adult. They could make the prims simply not render or have walls that actually act like walls. It's been suggested many times.
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07-20-2009 04:37
This whole thread has the strangest dynamic. Immie asks about what they are doing with the Mosh monorail and within a few posts, the whole thread derails into just about everything but her original questions. What's worse is that people are taking offense at even the smallest things. Lighten up ppl. They're only words, not bullets.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-20-2009 04:46
From: Ceka Cianci Exactly..That's why it's all region based..The maturity ratings would not work if it was all you can see or all who can see your content on your land.. The issue that LL is trying to push isn't region or even parcel based, nor is it based on being able to cam and see the kid toons from an area containing porn or vice versa. You can have kid toons on a parcel in an adult region with adult search terms and sexual content, if the area where the kid toons are is clearly separate from the area where the sexual content is. The example I used was a skybox 4000 meters above the porn, but a simple wall would be enough... the rule is about depicting kid toons in sexual situations and contexts, because that's what might be interpreted as child pornography.
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Ceka Cianci
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07-20-2009 04:53
From: Snickers Snook They could make the prims simply not render or have walls that actually act like walls. It's been suggested many times. My mistake there..I should have said maturity rating definitions.. I see how it looks like i was talking about mature sims 
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07-20-2009 04:57
From: Snickers Snook This whole thread has the strangest dynamic. Immie asks about what they are doing with the Mosh monorail and within a few posts, the whole thread derails into just about everything but her original questions. What's worse is that people are taking offense at even the smallest things. Lighten up ppl. They're only words, not bullets. I offer the quote in my signature in support of your thought.
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07-20-2009 05:06
From: Argent Stonecutter The issue that LL is trying to push isn't region or even parcel based, nor is it based on being able to cam and see the kid toons from an area containing porn or vice versa. You can have kid toons on a parcel in an adult region with adult search terms and sexual content, if the area where the kid toons are is clearly separate from the area where the sexual content is. The example I used was a skybox 4000 meters above the porn, but a simple wall would be enough... the rule is about depicting kid toons in sexual situations and contexts, because that's what might be interpreted as child pornography. Again sorry..still on my first cup of the day and leaving off important words.. i should have said sexual adult content..I understand what you are saying now hehehehe my meaning of regions was this.. take the place in mosh right on theother side of land line of the rail way..if a child avatar is on the LL side of that line walking past..They are in another region..Then say someone AR's that child avatar because they feel they are too close to sexual adult content. An AR won't stick on the child avatar for being too close to adult sexual content because they are not in the same region.. If they are in the same region ya they need to keep their distance..
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-20-2009 05:23
From: Ceka Cianci take the place in mosh right on theother side of land line of the rail way..if a child avatar is on the LL side of that line walking past..They are in another region..Then say someone AR's that child avatar because they feel they are too close to sexual adult content. An AR won't stick on the child avatar for being too close to adult sexual content because they are not in the same region..
I personally would not care to perform that experiment, because I don't believe that this matches the words or the intent of the policy. If you have a billboard full of porn and your toon kid is walking past it, within a few meters, then that toon is being depicted in proximity to sexual content regardless of whether there's a region boundary there or not.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-20-2009 05:24
The ratings status of Mosh isn't even the subject of this thread. I mentioned the parcel rating of the River infohub simply to point out that it ~is~ an obviously purposeful infohub build with all the infohub-ish things in place. (^_^)
Now, about Mosh. Before the land owners were there, it was an empty monorail station. After, it was an empty monorail station with poorly formed sculpties that half resemble penises adjacent to it. And, now it seems to be becoming a no-so-empty themed mall where vendors can sell their items. (^_^)
The thing is. How can a mall kiosk be something supported by the current land transfer? Are people being displaced from other Linden run mall kiosks somewhere? And, consider the tenant. I'm seeing parcel litter by a few people already. No major adult activity or offering. Just little parcels, here and there, with low grade nothings that just happen to have adult content. Or, even more shaky, BIAB vendors of adult items. Seemingly placed for the sole purpose of gaining early access to the Adult continent. (O.o)
To me, it stinks of someone gaming the system for what's essentially a free land upgrade. Obviously the monorail station in Mosh is going to be a hot-button location. But, after the controversy and attention dies, it will be just another ignored public works build and the traffic will veer over to River where the infohub crash-rez drop point is. (^_^)
So, there is a wave and people are riding it. But, the water will always flow into River. So, the question stands. What is the Mosh monorail station turning into? And, what good is buying land adjacent to it since it's becoming clear that it's not an infohub? (^_^)
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Ceka Cianci
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07-20-2009 05:31
From: Argent Stonecutter I personally would not care to perform that experiment, because I don't believe that this matches the words or the intent of the policy. If you have a billboard full of porn and your toon kid is walking past it, then that toon is being depicted in proximity to sexual content regardless of whether there's a region boundary there or not. ya i wouldn't go trying something like that myself..and i think most wouldn't either. I'm gonna have to read on that..because if i bought a 512 and were a child avatar and someone pushed their sexual content just on the other side of the line of me then they could grief me right out of there.. The thing i am curious about is are these billboards that people are mentioning on the rail way land that LL owns or in parcels around the railway?
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-20-2009 05:37
From: Ceka Cianci ya i wouldn't go trying something like that myself..and i think most wouldn't either. I'm gonna have to read on that..because if i bought a 512 and were a child avatar and someone pushed their sexual content just on the other side of the line of me then they could grief me right out of there..
The thing i am curious about is are these billboards that people are mentioning on the rail way land that LL owns or in parcels around the railway? They're not so much billboards as they are BIAB vendors in a 400M parcel inside the station. (^_^)y
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07-20-2009 05:58
From: Imnotgoing Sideways So THAT'S where the initial SL proportions model came from!!! XD
But, how do we explain the giant boobs? That one looked a bit on the tiny side, in comparison. (O.o) the wonders of customization! =) oddly, in LL's rush to sequester all the pron from the grid, they didn't realize that realistic RP that included violence would likely be slapped right next the pron and cause endless grief re: child avatars.... ...or maybe they did and it's their sneaky way or getting rid of any non disnefied child av's....... and maybe even adult content too.... oh the conspiracy theories abound =)
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07-20-2009 06:01
From: Imnotgoing Sideways So, there is a wave and people are riding it. But, the water will always flow into River. So, the question stands. What is the Mosh monorail station turning into? And, what good is buying land adjacent to it since it's becoming clear that it's not an infohub? (^_^)
Mosh is a very clever bait-and-switch; the idea was to create something that it seems would obviously be an infohub, because this is where all the passive-aggressive types are going to want to swap their land so they can create the most outrageous builds right where everyone is going to be. Then, after these parcels are "won" by the trolls and filled - surprise! You turn the place into just a mall or something, and make the infohub some distant, out-of-the-way spot, far away from the ruckus! It'll save the continent's image - or at least, I think that's the plan.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-20-2009 06:26
From: Dakota Tebaldi Mosh is a very clever bait-and-switch; the idea was to create something that it seems would obviously be an infohub, because this is where all the passive-aggressive types are going to want to swap their land so they can create the most outrageous builds right where everyone is going to be. Then, after these parcels are "won" by the trolls and filled - surprise! You turn the place into just a mall or something, and make the infohub some distant, out-of-the-way spot, far away from the ruckus! It'll save the continent's image - or at least, I think that's the plan. The scary part is that ~that's~ practically believable. (O.o) I know I just LOL'd! =^-^=
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-20-2009 06:34
From: Ceka Cianci ya i wouldn't go trying something like that myself..and i think most wouldn't either. I'm gonna have to read on that..because if i bought a 512 and were a child avatar and someone pushed their sexual content just on the other side of the line of me then they could grief me right out of there.. If your avatar was exclusively a kid, I wouldn't recommend buying a small parcel in an adult region, or (on an estate) adjacent to one. I mean, this doesn't seem a likely situation.
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Ceka Cianci
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07-20-2009 07:33
From: Argent Stonecutter If your avatar was exclusively a kid, I wouldn't recommend buying a small parcel in an adult region, or (on an estate) adjacent to one. I mean, this doesn't seem a likely situation. ya i wouldn't think anyone would do that.. actually the example was being there before and then being boxed around.. but in reality ya i can't see too many of them buying in that continent anyways.. the main thing is..what is proximity and where is the line??I look at the section that refers to age play that a child avatar would worry about and it takes you back to community standards which takes you back to maturity rating definitions which say region.. Can you show me the section or IM me the section so i can read on it ..i may be in the wrong section altogether lol
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Lias Leandros
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07-20-2009 08:08
From: Ticket to Customer Service There are now 20 400 meter parcels within the monorail Linden owned Land on Mosh Sim ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Mosh/142/66/31) And one of these parcels is owned by a new resident of Zidra (even though he has 4096M i Mosh elsewhere and more land granted him in Yedboro. He had several vendors there. QUESTION: Who is eligible for these 400 meters vendor parcels? And will there be any advertising of these spots? From: Matthew Linden Hello there, thanks for your ticket.
These parcels are available to anyone eligible for a move to Zindra as we currently understand.
This ticket is similar to your earlier one, which is referncing the activities of another resident on Zindra land. I will make a note on your account to reference this and would ask you to please not to do so again as you were already given an answer to your earlier ticket.
In relation to advertising then I refer you to our knowledge base and previous blog articles on the nature of advertising on land in Second Life.
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Matthew TRANSLATION:We will give these advertising spots to whomever we want and mind your own business. Notice he will 'make a note in my account'. Oooh. 5 demerits! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-20-2009 08:20
You're eligible, Lias, why don't you ask for one?
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07-20-2009 08:22
From: Lias Leandros TRANSLATION: ... mind your own business.
Generally speaking, good advice.
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07-20-2009 08:32
From: Lias Leandros TRANSLATION:We will give these advertising spots to whomever we want and mind your own business. Notice he will 'make a note in my account'. Oooh. 5 demerits!
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! While it would be good to find out what the frig is up with that particular situation- it might be best to notecard or email particular Lindens about the subject (Jack, Blondin). Also to keep asking at office hours.
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07-20-2009 08:55
From: Love Hastings (Mind your own business)-Generally speaking, good advice. Then put your head back in the sand and stop posting about this subject. I hadn't noticed your stellar advice when the OP posed the question in RESIDENT ANSWERS, genius. One person in Zindra Alliance said she had requested that land and was not granted it. She was given land elsewhere. She was surprised to see it being given away at this time.
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