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Your initial reaction to objects on your land that weren't there before

Showdog Tiger
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Join date: 30 Nov 2005
Posts: 404
08-21-2007 12:59
Dearly Darlings,

We've had many funny things left at my home and the home of my SL grand son. My favorite was a herd of sheep in the dining room. I just send prims home once a day. If it is offensive I delete it. The only time I ever was beside my self with anger? Walking into my grand son's home with the new maid to discover some creepy man photographing a woman in very suggestive poses brought into the home in his bed--it is a PG Bed. Green is PG. My grand son's home is a glass one. You can see everything. My grand son has a beach home in an adult area for his lady and gentlemen friends. I ARed him and banned him. Totally rude pig. Told the young lady she needed to get better taste in men.

You all have a lovely afternoon!

Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger
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poopmaster Oh
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Join date: 9 Mar 2007
Posts: 917
08-21-2007 13:51
From: Ceera Murakami


I think if I found a LOT of crap spread all over my house like the OP reported, I'd see who owned it all, and send one AR for each piece of trash, as I returned each one.



you AR it then delete the evidence, when they come to investigate there is nothing there, you wasted your time and the lindens time investigating a non-event

its people like you that make the A/R system so overloaded it does not work, there should be some punishment for people like you filling groundless abuse reports sucking up time and resources to investigate something you allready removed
Morwen Bunin
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Join date: 8 Dec 2005
Posts: 1,743
08-21-2007 13:54
From: Jessica Elytis
Delete/Return doesn't matter. What deciedes the action is the permissions of the item. LL has removed the choice from our hands for our "protection".


There goes my satisfaction of the deletion from all the broadly offensive items I found on my land..... (not that it were that much :P).

Morwen.
Har Fairweather
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Join date: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 2,320
08-21-2007 14:08
From: poopmaster Oh
you AR it then delete the evidence, when they come to investigate there is nothing there, you wasted your time and the lindens time investigating a non-event

its people like you that make the A/R system so overloaded it does not work, there should be some punishment for people like you filling groundless abuse reports sucking up time and resources to investigate something you allready removed


You include a snapshot of the offending item in the AR (there is a space for it) and explain in your complaint that you are returning or deleting it, and also a reasonable reason why you leave your land build-enabled that does not include gratifying the urges of strangers who were not properly potty-trained. The snapshot is the evidence, as is the little box you clicked on the AR form that automatically enters the owner of the object onto the AR. COMPLETE ARs are more likely to be acted on. The form tells you INCOMPLETE ones will be ignored. And they will.
Ange Jacobus
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Join date: 6 Apr 2007
Posts: 109
08-21-2007 14:26
I have a confession....when I was brand new, homeless and first learned how to open boxes and pull things from my inventory, I was delighted to see the box return itself to me after a couple moments. I assumed this was the case everywhere and went about my merry way never bothering to pick anything up. I probably left pose stands, boxes and random freebies all over the grid for days until a nice lady IMed me regarding a box in her front yard. Thanks to her explaining the way things work I knew not to "litter" anymore.

So....I apologize to everyone here who may have come across a random object owned by me at some point.

And for the record....I am obsessive now about checking my About Land, I do keep build on so my friends and such can pull items out...plus I secretly get a kick out of seeing what the newbies leave on my land. I haven't been griefed yet (knocks on wood)...maybe my opinion of leaving build on will change when/if that ever happens...Although I'd probably get a chuckle out of that too. I just return the items to the owners, sometimes send an IM if it is really unique. :)
Morwen Bunin
Everybody needs a hero!
Join date: 8 Dec 2005
Posts: 1,743
08-21-2007 14:36
From: Ange Jacobus
I have a confession....when I was brand new, homeless and first learned how to open boxes and pull things from my inventory, I was delighted to see the box return itself to me after a couple moments. I assumed this was the case everywhere and went about my merry way never bothering to pick anything up. I probably left pose stands, boxes and random freebies all over the grid for days until a nice lady IMed me regarding a box in her front yard. Thanks to her explaining the way things work I knew not to "litter" anymore.


Anyway.... The High Counsel of Second Life hold you guilty as charged... We will have to think about an fitting punishment....

((Welcome to the club... Didn't we all??? :P ))

Morwen.
Avion Raymaker
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Join date: 18 Jun 2007
Posts: 980
08-21-2007 14:41
From: Har Fairweather
You include a snapshot of the offending item in the AR (there is a space for it) and explain in your complaint that you are returning or deleting it, and also a reasonable reason why you leave your land build-enabled that does not include gratifying the urges of strangers who were not properly potty-trained. The snapshot is the evidence, as is the little box you clicked on the AR form that automatically enters the owner of the object onto the AR. COMPLETE ARs are more likely to be acted on. The form tells you INCOMPLETE ones will be ignored. And they will.


Har, I don't think this is an appropriate use of the Lindens' time, or the AR process. It diverts their attention from things that we as landowners can't fix, like a huge prim hanging over into the edge of your property.

(this post edited to be more polite, because I respect Har)
Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
08-21-2007 14:47
Leaving prims on private property that you don't own can be considered a violation of the Community Standards, under the "Disturbing the peace" section, in that the prim count eaten by that prim litter reduces the landowner's ability to use and enjoy their land. Being a "squatter" and rezzing a skybox or home on someone else's property is also denying the land owner the use of their resources.

If I AR someone for leaving a 100 prim object on my land, and then I delete the object, there is still a server record of both the item rezzing and the item deletion that the Lindens can track. I haven't 'deleted any evidence'. And yes, if I felt it was bad enough to AR someone over, then I would include pictures in the AR.

In most instances, if it's just a couple things, I'd return with no comment. It's the single person who litters the entire sim with many, many objects that gets my ire enough to merit an AR. It is not something I do lightly.
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Elgyfu Wishbringer
The Pootler
Join date: 27 Nov 2004
Posts: 659
08-21-2007 15:59
Not so long ago I logged in to find a lady had erected a sky box over my store, about 10 metres above the roof, hehe. It was, at least, one I sold, heh, but she had decorated it with well over 3,000 prims worth of furnishings! Very tastefully done too, I have to say, lol

When I messaged her and pointed out that she couldn't possibly leave it there her reply was 'It is my home, stop griefing me and go away'. As she was fairly new I explained, politely, that I paid for my island, and that she was therefore not able to live there - and use my prims.

A few minutes passed before she replied. 'You are griefing me, f**k off and leave me alone you b*tch'

*Elgyfu returns her prims and freezes her*

I messaged her and said 'OK, if you want to play it like that, you are about to be ejected and banned from my land.'

Her final IM as she vanished into the air was 'I will report you for destroying my home, b*tch'

*sigh*
Har Fairweather
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Join date: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 2,320
08-21-2007 18:30
From: Avion Raymaker
Har, I don't think this is an appropriate use of the Lindens' time, or the AR process. It diverts their attention from things that we as landowners can't fix, like a huge prim hanging over into the edge of your property.

(this post edited to be more polite, because I respect Har)


I appreciate your kind comments. You are certainly right about the problem of overhanging objects from wanton or malicious neighbors. The problem is, there are other kinds of griefing too. One is filling up a parcel with prims that are offensive to the owner or the neighbors, or merely take up the owner's prim budget and block the owner from the full use of the property they pay for. There are many others.

For example, last week. My anti-griefer alt was called to help a club owner. He had half a sim for his club, etc. - a significant expense in SL terms, IMO - and two properties (which just happened to be for sale O.O) next to his were filled with unendurably offensive objects. (They numbered in the hundreds, created intolerable lag, produced discordant noises that sounded like a radio receiving two stations at once, and were all titled "Suck nigger cock, bitch." He was German, and for whatever reason did not know how to file an AR despite the fairly sophisticated club he had built. At my prompting, he and the members in his group filed ARs for: Broadly offensive behavior (the titles), harrassment (the discordant noise), and parcel griefing (the lag, which produced a sim crash while I was there). His friend told me: that will amount to more than 100 ARs. The next day, I went back and - all the griefing objects were gone, and their owner (a particularly hostile and vicious individual, judging by his profile) was gone from SL too.

There is more than one way to grief! I would suggest that you get multiple people to AR your problem, be thorough in filling out your ARs, and see if you can get the attention of Guy Linden and/or someone on the phone lines who is an actual human being. Actual human beings can work wonders.
Angelique LaFollette
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Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,595
08-21-2007 20:56
From: Zaphod Kotobide
So I came "home" tonight after helping a friend with a few issues..

-There's a black dragster in my living room
-There's a "Brain in a Jar" sitting atop a lamp shade, also in my living room
-There's a Universal Original Stargate DHD whatever in my media room
-There's a "Steeled Earth" sword.. actually two of them.. in my hallway.

In my creation room, there's a "Resellable 62 Animated Sex Bed"
-There is also a bone
---An AP Stargate
---A portapotty
---A Buffalo
---A teleporter beam that leads to god knows where

In my office, there's a basic tent
- and a trash can that's currently on fire.

And wedged into the roof in front of my house is an object entitled:
-"Inuki - Slutty Kitty (8 Pages)"

So I ask you, esteemed residents, how do you react to this sort of thing? I found it thoroughly amusing, and also wish that I could take copies of a few of the items before I nuke them.

Your reaction?

I First look at who owns them, and ban them, Second, I look at the items permissions, if it's Junk, i return it, If it's No copy, No transfer, I delete it.
My Lands always have a "No Littering" Policy when they are Open to the public. I once returned to my home to discover Three squatters had built entire furnished Houses on my land. Odd they never contacted me after those things were deleted, they looked expensive.

I feel it's a good education for Litter bugs if they lose a Few expensive things.

Angel.
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