Oldest Club In Second Life Closing Her Doors!

The way the system works now its very different.

But again sex club nude beaches etc are just taste of themes people like people search for their style fun......nothing wrong with that......Its the reason why people use sl as a game....... I see your point but its not cheating. the owners of such locations do it because they want that activity on sl.....As long as child porn is not involved ther is nothing wrong with it. Hence the mature content locaion on SL.

The Edge is not the oldest club in Second Life, nor is it the oldest club in Second Life still in operation. Even the Shelter pre-dates the Edge.

Plenty of discussion went on here about it:

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/11599-oldest-club-second-life-closing-her-doors.html

sorry cheating the search was a bad choice of words ..i should have said working the search hehehe..
i have no problem with those places..being in the clubs since i was 3 days old i've met a
lot of great people from those places and no matter what they have their purpose in the ecco system of sl as it is now..
one hand washes the other in a lot of ways in this world..myself i hate to see clubs like the edge go because they have been a constant since i have been there..i mean i didn't go there all the time but it was always there to go to when i felt the want to go there..
even sl we have memory lanes and they are fun to go back and visit and see that they are there and some still the same as when we left them..
lag or no lag like them or hate them they all played a part in sl ecco in one way or another..

I actually don't do clubs in SL, but it's always sad to see a long-standing place go.

But I have never been influenced by what is fashionable or not from what people in clubs are wearing, neither in SL nor in RL....

Crud.. where will I buy my repacked freebies from now?

Why are we surprised? Clubs in SL are a money pit. This is the only place where you have to basically pay people to show up and then hope that they will part with a few lindens to help keep it going. The only places that will stay open are places with something people want (e.g., sex) or make money via other means (rentals, typically). The amount of money you have to throw into a club to keep it going is ridiculous. Even live music venues - many if not most musicians require thousands of L for booking, and the venue never makes that money back. There is no future for clubs long-term without being supported by something else.

that is why the long term clubs stayed around so long..they knew the clubs were not money makers but ways to attract to other things in the region..
some did make money by themselves though but making a living or just paying the bills really are two different things..and really those days are over with the amount of clubs there are today..
nobody is gonna make a living off a club..
if you go in with that mindset it takes the pressure off the club and they become more fun when you know it is there for other reasons..

Where in that post did I state it was "somewhere I don't go"? In fact, I clearly stated that I went there. And apparently since you need this clarification I will go so far as to state, Yes. I went there. Often at several points in it's existence. But the conditions stated were such that over time the "Grief" as you put it overrode any sense of pleasure I was getting from the experience so I stopped going. Please feel free to post another one liner if you have further questions.

I am glad you're enjoying it.
The colors are changeable but you can't see the design on the back.
I am wearing it with the color brown.
I really liked the lay out of the design and shoes.
I think when I return to creating after I finish the Doodle Garden and house in West Haven I may do another texture pattern in similar style.

I thought you didnt mean it that way........
True the locations that been here for years then leave as the edge did indeed a sign of times. There is a breeze in the air now that one of the oldest Clubs leaving.....The history of those that clubs that have come and gone, th buildts that stood for years all of the sudden are nolonger there always is sad when you see there are nolonger there. No or No lag The Edge has its place in Second Life history if people like it or not.......

Have a wonderful Day

Usagi

Ah so you did go there regularly but now you don't you wish it to be closed?

Hmm get rid of sex in SL? Hmm do we think people come here for the 20th century graphics and physics engine perhaps, or just the camping?
Yep, there's more to SL, we could ban guns and vehicles too, but what gets peoples foot in the door is also important, without sex & gaming industry, many content creators would be restricted to RL clothing, skyboxes & dances.

Besides corporations are more interested in running their own grids. Where they have tighter controls over them for business related uses.

Doesn't mean some don't want to have main grid presence they just prefer not to have to worry about interruptions from random stangers walking around as giant buttcheeks with legs

well you are looking at it from a standpoint of someone that knows what all is in sl verses someone new coming in and doesn't..
you don't think if it meant going mainstream and were told to pull it out of sl they wouldn't?
look what has been taken out so far..
they have fell to the pressure of everything else..all i was saying is there has been talk for a while about it..
i sure would not be in favor of it by no means but i don't walk around thinking it could never be taken away..
because all the changes that have gone on so far were done with care for residents and not the pressure from media, corporations and laws right?
like i said more than one time ..just a theory is all..

they would have to burn the current grid and assets to purge all 'adult' items off.

Skins, clothing, gadgets, all that would have to be purged

did they do that with gambling or anything else? no they just made them bannable and disabled things with updates..
the sex going away was a half quote from pulled from a post of a bigger conversation..
i believe it was more on th outlook of sl changing and could things be possible..
my thoughts were pretty much this..that LL did not see what they had when it all started but now see what they can..would they make changes to move up..
i think they would..what company wouldn't if they could?

I used to go there a lot, before I got tired of host/esses and guests alike howling all the time and certain regulars winnings.. all the time. I can't say I wished it to be closed, but I can definitely say that I don't care one way or another. I simply stopped visiting, moved on to creating my own stuff and found a nice club that I occasionally visit. Change is a good thing sometimes.

Well one thing is.

Most companies looking at the collaboration side of the SL platform don't want to be connected to the grid. They want an internal grid that they can lock down.

LL can provide that easily enough, and they have a huge player base for testing code revisions with. (Some of us even pay to do the testing so we can have a virtual home)

But talking about making the entire grid G or PG rated would kill the bottom line with SL.

I hate to say it, but it's true. Not just for the sexual parts, but for the freedom.

The closest competitor (if you can call it that) requires a committee to examine everything before it's brought into the world. In effect limiting the user content, it had some nice features compared to SL in some regards... but the lack of being able to truly do what you wanted (baring violations of laws) killed the interest for many.

It's the open creation rules that allowed for things like Luskwood, Taco, Serenity Woods, City of Lost Angels, and many other wonderful builds I haven't mentioned. (just rattling off ones that came to mind from recent visits and chats)

A corporate world will not have the user base that SL has now.

Hi all!

Hi to Cristalle Karami, I used to be one of your tenants, when I got my first apartment in SL many months ago now, always found straight and efficient letting with u )

This is has been quite an eye opening thread for me, as Been trying to open a large lesbo, shemale palace for some time. But found without help to build it, and some investment, it was very difficult.

Since then, I made an association with another uk Sler, who has a lot more experiance than me, we have pooled our resources and money to share costs..since I have been offline 20 days due to the AOL move, back on 3rd june (pleaseeee) aol!! A lot of mind searching has been going on since then, You may know me from the airline thread, and how to operate it!

We found that buying an open, or full sim as a holiday destination was going to expensive, but
turned out more expensive when attractions were being built....and the prims were being eaten up.

Making money from clubs is getting more difficult, as theres so may to choose from, but its also down to the owners to make the place or venue as attractive and interesting to attract folk..You have to put in time, im lucky in some ways, i dont work anymore, so i can look after a club on an hourly basis, whereby my associate works, but does the bussiness group side/and other important tasks, when she finishes her RL job..

We have come up with some solutions to pay our way: I already have 8129sq metre of land, in a gay/alternative area, well run by a good land owner. I have 4 houses, all furnished with tubs and kitchens plus bed and a lot of sarah Lok's furniture (mailnly low prim) These are already up for rent, but unfortently no takers

So i have decided to pull down the the useless terminals, and rebuild the palace, as i already have 600$ worth of club and lesbo stuff ready to put back in! However, this time, the lesbo cinema will be installed up stairs with a pay door for entry, i have to charge a fee for this, as I have to pay dream host web fees for hosting the urls, but nothing like some cinemas are charging in SL..The Vip club on the other side of the landing, is just a posh chill out area, with low key dancing and subtle lighting, and nice animated dining sets from "Celebrations"....it also has a camping bar, so a few folk can make a few lindens being a bartender lol Anyway, the new sim being purchased shortly for the holiday airtours destination is going to cost, but im happy if plenty of poeple take up the holiday, as they get their own motel, plus, almost everything is free, scuba gear, surf boards, and waves, underwater excursions in a submersable to view the coral reefs, and dolphins/whales and tropical fish.. Plus of course the helicopter tours all over the sim, theres caves, pools, ski doos, fishing stations, small fun fair, water slides, chair lifts to the top of the hills and other attractions, and quite spots, camp fires and a low key club, where couples can mix, as well as singles.

The holidays will be offered using the same check ins as in the terminal, where theres also a multi-time zone clock and other related things to do with a holiday, but all this can be installed on the left downstairs part of the palace, its all in one place, so whens theres enough people visiting, the right hand side will be for a few trade stands, but the main part will be the enormous deep swimming pool inside..covered with exotic ferns and palms, saunas and naughty stuff, lots of fun with splash stuff, those bouncy beach balls that end up all over the place!!lol Patios, shower area and large hot tub juccuzzi... But we hope to attract the guy/girls who get banned from lesbo clubs, Like I did once, so we allow TV TS and shemale and bi girls...!!

I think u have to think about whats unique about your club, from other clubs to make an impact and keep it operating at either break even for a while, then hopefully see a bit of a profit as it matures.. with our palace, u get a great lesbo palace, a cinema, vip lounge, chance to rent one of our nice houses in a safe area, and the holiday island where we take you to enjoy a proper package holiday, not just a sandy beach with little else, but a full experiance with lots to do....of course Second life folks who have built there own places, and have lots of there own attractions wont be tempted to partake, but lets not forget, theres may slers, who come just for fun, with little money, but, for them 200L a week to enjoy surfing and exploring, plus living in there own little room in a tropical island, would enrich there stay in second life and show there is more to sl than bonking at a sex island....

Hopefully by September, if we are still viable, we can buy onother open sim with mountains and make a skiing holiday, perhaps also have log cabins thatcan be rented through out the year....but my most ambitous place, will be another sim to offer more aircraft space to fly around, together with enough oceon depth for larger cruiser owners to take there vessels for a decent cruise, without running aground!!

Anyway enough said, hope its been of interest to many, very interested in any Island owner who would like some people to visit his land, perhaps bring some tourist money into his/herself sim, u can put your own check in desk in the palace, for a fee, and we send holiday makers to you !! You could put a few chosen trade stands in too, anything unusual or interesting such as animal sancturies, dinosaur features etc. All our holiday makers are bound by the terms and conditions of there holidays, there well informed about going too near residencila areas or making a nuisance, or antisocial behaviour, they forfiet there holiday if they breach these rules after 2 warnings, so we make sure your Island is enjoyed under our/your regulation..or (pain of death)

Gosh is that the time! dinner.....

by for now m8s

Mike

Im not a clubber so cant comment on the enjoyment factor of The Edge. From a builders point of view all of the incarnations of The Edge that I have have seen have been very badly deisgned, over saturated with scripts and particles causing far too much unnessaray lag and the builds themselves have been uninspiring and pretty forgetable. I went on a tour of about 20 clubs a few weeks ago as I have been considering building a prefab club package, I wanted to see what was out there so as to create something unique and it wont be difficult I didnt see anything inspiring or original in the ways these places were designed and built. Half of what makes a good club is the environment within which the club is set and I think there is still plenty of room for somebody to come in and build a club that would surpass and exceed the quality of anything we have seen before.

Head to the ark, it's been around for awhile and was recently rebuilt.

it's a furry club, with adult themes. But still a nice design.

I agree that a lot of clubs cause themselves a lot of their own problems by having too many lag hungry vectors and particles, thats why I have moved away from building large dance, and 8 dance pole premises, because of lag, and people who continue to freeze up, or crash, because of this, just go else where, i used to work as dancer in great club, before the lag was so bad, it took me 2 hours to succesfully transport to it, amd be able to move about, but lets not forget, that SL itself is partly responsible for lag, because they dont seem to able or want to improve the performance , expecially at weekends....

However, the clubs i have visited since i joined in 2007 are still in business, so it cant be all doom and gloom, I think second life still has a future , even if some aspects of the sex part is toned down or removed.
according to one site that reviews virtual worlds, Second life, is still the in 1st place as best/most interactive virtual worlds on offer.


mike

Well many want to spell the end to Clubs specially the sex part. Or some are saying a tone down or remove ( this is not the case ). This part of SL history will live on maybe not in the levels it was inthe past. As one large SL club owner own said....."We will change from one type of game into another....."But it wil always be part of the game in its own way...

I will check out the Ark, ive not been there before. If there are furries there i'll get make sure i leave my shotgun at home Dont want to make them nervious.

From my worldy travels it would seem that people put too much emphasis on Particles, flashing lights, dancefloors, endless amounts of scripted obects all fighting for resources from the CPU, not to mention that people who go clubbing want to run scripts, particles, annimations. for their Av and it just turns into a laggy, messy venue that people dont want to visit or cant visit. Generally in the past I have turned down custom requests for clubs, partially because im not a good scripter so I would have to employ someone to do all the 'funky' scripted stuff the customer wants, but the main reason is I have never liked anyones idea enough to devote the time to build it, regardless of how much they want to pay me. I have presented a few ideas for clubs to potential customers but because they dont fit into the 'sciptylaggy-norm' of SL club design then poeple dont want to spend their money on them as its a risk for them to pay me to create something different or that hasnt been done before. No one has contacted me regarding a customised club since the gambling ban so I dont really ever anticipate getting around to creating my ideal vision of what A club in SL should look like.

Now we have sculpties then there is even less excuse for jamming a club full of resource intensive objects. We can create amazing environments with prims/sculpted prims and local lighting alone that take up minimum resources. The addtion of scripted objects to the build should then be well planned and tested at multiple stages, by tested i mean, run the scripted objects then fill the sim up with 100 av's and see how things run. SL is laggy at the best of time so in my opinon a club owners #1 prioroty should be sim performace and they should do everything they can to keep the sim running as smoothly as possible without sacrificing the enjoyment of their patrons. Nowadays it seems a club owners #1 priority is to make money, and I just cant see how you can create an awesome club that runs well and make good L$ profit at the same time.

the ark can lag a bit, mainly from the fact it's a huge build plus well... furs are not known for being light on prims or textures with the avatars.

Only real visual effect is the dance floor animation. Ark rules limit particle and light spam.. security will have a chat with you if you go overboard.

And don't worry most will not bite, you'll get some jaded ones but for the most part none got a problem with humans showing up.