Second Life Forums Archive - Bad news of the day: They're thinking of merging the Teen Grid into the main one

Love Hastings

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01-21-2009 12:08

Adult behaviour in SL is detrimental to LL's desire to attract corporate involvement and education. The sensational ageplay news stories are a huge nail in that coffin. If you really think that LL wants to preserve your second lifestyle over attracting large corporate players, you're fooling yourself. I could well see this, along with the acquisition of xstreetsl (and the subsequent removal of the mature categorization) as steps along that roadmap.

The community such as it is was necessary to bootstrap the virtual world, but is now a detriment.

But I have doubts that LL can actually pull this off even if it is their plan. So I'm not worried.

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01-21-2009 12:27

I do want to see parents that rely on the net to babysit without any supervision to be prosecuted, means a few get burned so more learn to actually be parents... plus they are stealing services! I charge 20$ us /hr to babysit, so if I'm having to babysit their kids online...they are stealing my services without paying!

But seriously, if you parent then it's not a problem.

As I said before: Letting the internet baby sit you kids is like asking the drooling bipolar schizophrenic with multiple personality disorder in a raincoat and carrying a chainsaw to babysit them.

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01-21-2009 12:59

From: Love Hastings

Adult behaviour in SL is detrimental to LL's desire to attract corporate involvement and education.

I think childish or immature behavior is more of an issue. I wouldn't describe flying penis particles (for one infamous example) as "adult behavior".

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Key MacMoragh

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01-21-2009 13:02

I'm the parent of a pre-teen (who's itching to get on the teen grid), and my issues with this idea are with the weight it will put on ME.

I know that most people who don't have children have no tolerance or respect for them. That's not something LL can change or legislate -- it's going to be my problem.

I know that semi-literate n00bs are going to run around with their shlongs sticking out of their pants, or stuck to their heads, and that griefers will fill landscapes with male and female genitalia. That's not going to change, no matter how much it's AR'd. So I'm going to have teach my daughter how to deal with all that sort of stuff. What fun. Think of all the wonderful discussions I'll have with my husband, who already dislikes SL.

And I know that whatever I'm doing, I'll have to be ready for the IM, "Mom, will you tp me?" and I will have to answer, "Okay, come on over." I know that I'll be her last resort when she's bored, her guide when she can't find places that aren't boring, and her companion when we search for kids to play with.

I know that it'll be fun, too, but some of the fun I'm having now is going to go away. Now, I can say, "Just give me five more minutes on the computer and then we can play," but then her little avatar will be standing next to mine, saying, "Mom, what can we do that's not boring? Why are we here? This is BORING."

All of you people who are bitching about how you're not going to change, don't worry. Nobody's going to make you change. You'll just have something new to complain about, and that's going to be my problem, too.

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01-21-2009 13:04

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Key MacMoragh

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01-21-2009 13:09

From: Argent Stonecutter

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I know what you mean, but this is my *daughter*. You don't get time off from that.

richard Zhichao

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01-21-2009 13:11

so long they bring money to gamble who cares

Key MacMoragh

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01-21-2009 13:13

From: richard Zhichao

so long they bring money to gamble who cares

LOL - and, "Hey, Mom, can I have $1000? I NEED a new skin."

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01-21-2009 13:15

From: Key MacMoragh

I know what you mean, but this is my *daughter*. You don't get time off from that.

If you can say "5 minutes more on the computer, honey" now, in Real Life, you can say "I'll be with you in 5 minutes, honey" in Second Life. Yesno?

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Milla Janick

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01-21-2009 13:15

From: Key MacMoragh

I know what you mean, but this is my *daughter*. You don't get time off from that.

Make her go camping.

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richard Zhichao

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teens

01-21-2009 13:17

i sorry i didnt mean to say gamble in front of the kids i want to say skill gaming

Key MacMoragh

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01-21-2009 13:17

From: Milla Janick

Make her go camping.

... and lucky chairs

Bradley Bracken

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01-21-2009 13:38

You mean teens aren't allowed on the main grid? I thought they always were. How do you explain Ahern?

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01-21-2009 13:46

From: Key MacMoragh

I'm the parent of a pre-teen (who's itching to get on the teen grid), and my issues with this idea are with the weight it will put on ME.

I know that most people who don't have children have no tolerance or respect for them. That's not something LL can change or legislate -- it's going to be my problem.

I know that semi-literate n00bs are going to run around with their shlongs sticking out of their pants, or stuck to their heads, and that griefers will fill landscapes with male and female genitalia. That's not going to change, no matter how much it's AR'd. So I'm going to have teach my daughter how to deal with all that sort of stuff. What fun. Think of all the wonderful discussions I'll have with my husband, who already hates SL.

And I know that whatever I'm getting into, or whoever I'm with, I'll have to be ready for the IM, "Mom, will you tp me?" and I will answer, "Hang on a sec... just wait... Okay, come on." I know that I'll be her last resort when she's bored, her guide when she can't find places that aren't boring, and her companion when we search for kids to play with.

I know that it'll be fun, too, but some of the fun I'm having now is going to go away. Now, I can say, "Just give me five more minutes on the computer and then we can play," but then her little avatar will be standing next to mine, saying, "Mom, what can we do that's not boring? Why are we here? This is BORING."

All of you people who are bitching about how you're not going to change, don't worry. Nobody's going to make you change. You'll just have something new to complain about, and that's going to be my problem, too.

If you are willing to be that in tune with your teen when she is on then more power to you. the problem will be with parents who don't care. There are plenty of those out there. Thank Heavens my children are not old enough to even be on teen sl.. both are under 10.
i can honestly say good luck with the *mom tp please*

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01-21-2009 13:53

From: Bradley Bracken

You mean teens aren't allowed on the main grid? I thought they always were. How do you explain Ahern?

Some people are 35 going on 12.

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01-21-2009 14:09

a few years ago i said this would happen posted my thorts on the forum here, people laughed Im sitting here with a big smile on my face and told you so on my lips

With SLX and onrez as well i wonder whats gonna happen next lol

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Milla Janick

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01-21-2009 14:16

From: Key MacMoragh

... and lucky chairs

Don't let her pick a name that starts with "M", please.

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01-21-2009 14:26

From: Key MacMoragh

I know that semi-literate n00bs are going to run around with their shlongs sticking out of their pants, or stuck to their heads, and that griefers will fill landscapes with male and female genitalia. That's not going to change, no matter how much it's AR'd ... What fun. Think of all the wonderful discussions I'll have with my husband, who already hates SL.
.

Err this schlong thing ... where did you say these semiliterates were so I could avoid them???
Where is all this disgusting male genitalia in teh landscapes? Can you give me a rough idea so I know where I mustnt go?
Yeah Key, dont go ot these places - liek you ever did eh?

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Jig Chippewa

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01-21-2009 14:30

From: Key MacMoragh

I know what you mean, but this is my *daughter*. You don't get time off from that.

Hey, I used to run a daycare with my friend when I was 12 in real. Maybe I can babysit teens. I know a lot.

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Rosey Richez

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01-21-2009 14:37

If this does happen whats to stop someone from passing someone under 18 x-rated items that aren't named as such?

Way to risky of a move IMHO

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Cristalle Karami

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01-21-2009 14:44

If they want safe areas, then put the merged areas on the teen grid.

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Jig Chippewa

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01-21-2009 14:52

From: Cristalle Karami

If they want safe areas, then put the merged areas on the teen grid.

Agree. Take teh problem to a managed area liek teen grid. parents can monitor thier teens there in a safer environment. Educators can go there. I dont wanna feel like I am in an school zone when I am in sl. University is fine but NOT school education levels. They have to be monitored to cross teh road in reality - so how can we manage them in sl?

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Qie Niangao

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01-21-2009 14:56

From: Shirley Marquez

Combining the grids, or at least introducing areas where teen and adult users can coexist, will be a boon for education in Second Life. As things stand there is a major problem with using SL for education: what do you do when some of your students are over 18 and some are under (a common situation with both high school seniors and college freshmen)? You can't have your class meet on either grid without excluding part of your potential student body.

Other potential advantages: parents and their teenage children will be able to stay in touch with each other in SL. Parents will be able to provide spending money to teens from their L$ assets rather than having to put US$ into the system to buy L$ for them, saving time and transaction costs.

I don't think we want to just let teens into the adult grid without any controls. But we can have mixed-age areas with suitable monitoring; a good start might be areas owned by educational institutions, which would be closed to teens when no representatives of the institution are present. And we can have limited teen-adult messaging, perhaps by allowing cross-grid messaging only to friends with parents having control over which adult users their teens are allowed to friend. Basically, a teen could not add adult friends other than approved educators (like the adults who have permission to enter the teen grid now, and have to have background checks to get that permission) or Lindens, but a parent could add friends for him or her.

I agree with this, and if LL does everything it needs to along these lines, this doesn't have to be a bad thing for the rest of the grid. I'm still not sure this is *enough* of a merger; there's an enormous amount of good educational content on the Main Grid from which teens would still be excluded if kept to their own enclave, and it would be a significant barrier for adults to get good content to the teens (and vice versa, for the teen creators), but it seems about the only way to keep this from being a huge mistake.

As we know from so many policies that LL has implemented and refined and re-refined, the devil is in the details. In this case, they simply must not get it even a little bit wrong. Better that they should make the first step very, very cautiously.

One caveat, though, about education on the Grid: Yeah, it's a Good Thing and all, but it's not particularly profitable for LL, nor for resident businesses. I remember the outcry about restoring only most of the incredibly generous discounts that LL once gave educationals and non-profits. There's a sense of entitlement there that would make me want to shed as many of those customers as possible; they're gonna be trouble.

Rika Watanabe

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01-21-2009 15:20

From: Qie Niangao

Better that they should make the first step very, very cautiously.

I'm told this wasn't visible before: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nix/0/0

Looks like the first step has been made.

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Ephraim Kappler

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01-21-2009 15:24

Perhaps this will make an opening for a new grid in competition with SL that has no children and no child avatars?

Frankly I'm fed-up, sick, sore and sorry with all of the problems connected to both issues in SL.

Bad news of the day: They're thinking of merging the Teen Grid into the main one
Love Hastings #66666 Join date: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 4,094	01-21-2009 12:08 Adult behaviour in SL is detrimental to LL's desire to attract corporate involvement and education. The sensational ageplay news stories are a huge nail in that coffin. If you really think that LL wants to preserve your second lifestyle over attracting large corporate players, you're fooling yourself. I could well see this, along with the acquisition of xstreetsl (and the subsequent removal of the mature categorization) as steps along that roadmap. The community such as it is was necessary to bootstrap the virtual world, but is now a detriment. But I have doubts that LL can actually pull this off even if it is their plan. So I'm not worried. _____________________
MortVent Charron Can haz cuddles now? Join date: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,942	01-21-2009 12:27 I do want to see parents that rely on the net to babysit without any supervision to be prosecuted, means a few get burned so more learn to actually be parents... plus they are stealing services! I charge 20$ us /hr to babysit, so if I'm having to babysit their kids online...they are stealing my services without paying! But seriously, if you parent then it's not a problem. As I said before: Letting the internet baby sit you kids is like asking the drooling bipolar schizophrenic with multiple personality disorder in a raincoat and carrying a chainsaw to babysit them. _____________________ ========================================== Bippity boppity boo! I'm stalking you! 9 out of 10 voices in my head don't like you... the 10th went to get the ammo
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	01-21-2009 12:59 From: Love Hastings Adult behaviour in SL is detrimental to LL's desire to attract corporate involvement and education. I think childish or immature behavior is more of an issue. I wouldn't describe flying penis particles (for one infamous example) as "adult behavior". _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Key MacMoragh grrr.... Join date: 16 Sep 2008 Posts: 659	01-21-2009 13:02 I'm the parent of a pre-teen (who's itching to get on the teen grid), and my issues with this idea are with the weight it will put on ME. I know that most people who don't have children have no tolerance or respect for them. That's not something LL can change or legislate -- it's going to be my problem. I know that semi-literate n00bs are going to run around with their shlongs sticking out of their pants, or stuck to their heads, and that griefers will fill landscapes with male and female genitalia. That's not going to change, no matter how much it's AR'd. So I'm going to have teach my daughter how to deal with all that sort of stuff. What fun. Think of all the wonderful discussions I'll have with my husband, who already dislikes SL. And I know that whatever I'm doing, I'll have to be ready for the IM, "Mom, will you tp me?" and I will have to answer, "Okay, come on over." I know that I'll be her last resort when she's bored, her guide when she can't find places that aren't boring, and her companion when we search for kids to play with. I know that it'll be fun, too, but some of the fun I'm having now is going to go away. Now, I can say, "Just give me five more minutes on the computer and then we can play," but then her little avatar will be standing next to mine, saying, "Mom, what can we do that's not boring? Why are we here? This is BORING." All of you people who are bitching about how you're not going to change, don't worry. Nobody's going to make you change. You'll just have something new to complain about, and that's going to be my problem, too.
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	01-21-2009 13:04 That's why I have Argent David, Argent Pinion, and Argent Koskinen* to help me get away from the people who want help from Argent Stonecutter. * List not necessarily complete. _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Key MacMoragh grrr.... Join date: 16 Sep 2008 Posts: 659	01-21-2009 13:09 From: Argent Stonecutter That's why I have Argent David, Argent Pinion, and Argent Koskinen* to help me get away from the people who want help from Argent Stonecutter. * List not necessarily complete. I know what you mean, but this is my daughter. You don't get time off from that.
richard Zhichao Registered User Join date: 9 Mar 2007 Posts: 113	tenns in second life 01-21-2009 13:11 so long they bring money to gamble who cares
Key MacMoragh grrr.... Join date: 16 Sep 2008 Posts: 659	01-21-2009 13:13 From: richard Zhichao so long they bring money to gamble who cares LOL - and, "Hey, Mom, can I have $1000? I NEED a new skin."
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	01-21-2009 13:15 From: Key MacMoragh I know what you mean, but this is my daughter. You don't get time off from that. If you can say "5 minutes more on the computer, honey" now, in Real Life, you can say "I'll be with you in 5 minutes, honey" in Second Life. Yesno? _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Milla Janick Empress Of The Universe Join date: 2 Jan 2008 Posts: 3,075	01-21-2009 13:15 From: Key MacMoragh I know what you mean, but this is my daughter. You don't get time off from that. Make her go camping. _____________________ http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...
richard Zhichao Registered User Join date: 9 Mar 2007 Posts: 113	teens 01-21-2009 13:17 i sorry i didnt mean to say gamble in front of the kids i want to say skill gaming
Key MacMoragh grrr.... Join date: 16 Sep 2008 Posts: 659	01-21-2009 13:17 From: Milla Janick Make her go camping. ... and lucky chairs
Bradley Bracken Goodbye, Farewell, Amen Join date: 2 Apr 2007 Posts: 3,856	01-21-2009 13:38 You mean teens aren't allowed on the main grid? I thought they always were. How do you explain Ahern? _____________________ My interest in SL has simply died. Thanks for all the laughs
Cigi Kraus Loves a laugh Join date: 12 May 2008 Posts: 51	01-21-2009 13:46 From: Key MacMoragh I'm the parent of a pre-teen (who's itching to get on the teen grid), and my issues with this idea are with the weight it will put on ME. I know that most people who don't have children have no tolerance or respect for them. That's not something LL can change or legislate -- it's going to be my problem. I know that semi-literate n00bs are going to run around with their shlongs sticking out of their pants, or stuck to their heads, and that griefers will fill landscapes with male and female genitalia. That's not going to change, no matter how much it's AR'd. So I'm going to have teach my daughter how to deal with all that sort of stuff. What fun. Think of all the wonderful discussions I'll have with my husband, who already hates SL. And I know that whatever I'm getting into, or whoever I'm with, I'll have to be ready for the IM, "Mom, will you tp me?" and I will answer, "Hang on a sec... just wait... Okay, come on." I know that I'll be her last resort when she's bored, her guide when she can't find places that aren't boring, and her companion when we search for kids to play with. I know that it'll be fun, too, but some of the fun I'm having now is going to go away. Now, I can say, "Just give me five more minutes on the computer and then we can play," but then her little avatar will be standing next to mine, saying, "Mom, what can we do that's not boring? Why are we here? This is BORING." All of you people who are bitching about how you're not going to change, don't worry. Nobody's going to make you change. You'll just have something new to complain about, and that's going to be my problem, too. If you are willing to be that in tune with your teen when she is on then more power to you. the problem will be with parents who don't care. There are plenty of those out there. Thank Heavens my children are not old enough to even be on teen sl.. both are under 10. i can honestly say good luck with the mom tp please
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	01-21-2009 13:53 From: Bradley Bracken You mean teens aren't allowed on the main grid? I thought they always were. How do you explain Ahern? Some people are 35 going on 12. _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Lord Sullivan DTC at all times :) Join date: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 2,870	01-21-2009 14:09 a few years ago i said this would happen posted my thorts on the forum here, people laughed Im sitting here with a big smile on my face and told you so on my lips With SLX and onrez as well i wonder whats gonna happen next lol _____________________ Independent Shopping for Second Life residents from established and new merchants. http://slapt.me slapt.me - In-World HQ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bastet/123/118/26
Milla Janick Empress Of The Universe Join date: 2 Jan 2008 Posts: 3,075	01-21-2009 14:16 From: Key MacMoragh ... and lucky chairs Don't let her pick a name that starts with "M", please. _____________________ http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...
Jig Chippewa Fine Young Cannibal Join date: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,150	01-21-2009 14:26 From: Key MacMoragh I know that semi-literate n00bs are going to run around with their shlongs sticking out of their pants, or stuck to their heads, and that griefers will fill landscapes with male and female genitalia. That's not going to change, no matter how much it's AR'd ... What fun. Think of all the wonderful discussions I'll have with my husband, who already hates SL. . Err this schlong thing ... where did you say these semiliterates were so I could avoid them??? Where is all this disgusting male genitalia in teh landscapes? Can you give me a rough idea so I know where I mustnt go? Yeah Key, dont go ot these places - liek you ever did eh? _____________________ Fine Young Cannibal
Jig Chippewa Fine Young Cannibal Join date: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,150	01-21-2009 14:30 From: Key MacMoragh I know what you mean, but this is my daughter. You don't get time off from that. Hey, I used to run a daycare with my friend when I was 12 in real. Maybe I can babysit teens. I know a lot. _____________________ Fine Young Cannibal
Rosey Richez Preys on Innocence Join date: 6 Jun 2007 Posts: 225	01-21-2009 14:37 If this does happen whats to stop someone from passing someone under 18 x-rated items that aren't named as such? Way to risky of a move IMHO _____________________ A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Cristalle Karami Lady of the House Join date: 4 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,222	01-21-2009 14:44 If they want safe areas, then put the merged areas on the teen grid. _____________________ Affordable & beautiful apartments & homes starting at 150L/wk! Waterfront homes, 575L/wk & 300 prims! House of Cristalle low prim prefabs: secondlife://Cristalle/111/60 http://cristalleproperties.info http://careeningcristalle.blogspot.com - Careening, A SL Sailing Blog
Jig Chippewa Fine Young Cannibal Join date: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,150	01-21-2009 14:52 From: Cristalle Karami If they want safe areas, then put the merged areas on the teen grid. Agree. Take teh problem to a managed area liek teen grid. parents can monitor thier teens there in a safer environment. Educators can go there. I dont wanna feel like I am in an school zone when I am in sl. University is fine but NOT school education levels. They have to be monitored to cross teh road in reality - so how can we manage them in sl? _____________________ Fine Young Cannibal
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	01-21-2009 14:56 From: Shirley Marquez Combining the grids, or at least introducing areas where teen and adult users can coexist, will be a boon for education in Second Life. As things stand there is a major problem with using SL for education: what do you do when some of your students are over 18 and some are under (a common situation with both high school seniors and college freshmen)? You can't have your class meet on either grid without excluding part of your potential student body. Other potential advantages: parents and their teenage children will be able to stay in touch with each other in SL. Parents will be able to provide spending money to teens from their L$ assets rather than having to put US$ into the system to buy L$ for them, saving time and transaction costs. I don't think we want to just let teens into the adult grid without any controls. But we can have mixed-age areas with suitable monitoring; a good start might be areas owned by educational institutions, which would be closed to teens when no representatives of the institution are present. And we can have limited teen-adult messaging, perhaps by allowing cross-grid messaging only to friends with parents having control over which adult users their teens are allowed to friend. Basically, a teen could not add adult friends other than approved educators (like the adults who have permission to enter the teen grid now, and have to have background checks to get that permission) or Lindens, but a parent could add friends for him or her. I agree with this, and if LL does everything it needs to along these lines, this doesn't have to be a bad thing for the rest of the grid. I'm still not sure this is enough of a merger; there's an enormous amount of good educational content on the Main Grid from which teens would still be excluded if kept to their own enclave, and it would be a significant barrier for adults to get good content to the teens (and vice versa, for the teen creators), but it seems about the only way to keep this from being a huge mistake. As we know from so many policies that LL has implemented and refined and re-refined, the devil is in the details. In this case, they simply must not get it even a little bit wrong. Better that they should make the first step very, very cautiously. One caveat, though, about education on the Grid: Yeah, it's a Good Thing and all, but it's not particularly profitable for LL, nor for resident businesses. I remember the outcry about restoring only most of the incredibly generous discounts that LL once gave educationals and non-profits. There's a sense of entitlement there that would make me want to shed as many of those customers as possible; they're gonna be trouble.
Rika Watanabe Highly improbable Join date: 3 Jun 2008 Posts: 245	01-21-2009 15:20 From: Qie Niangao Better that they should make the first step very, very cautiously. I'm told this wasn't visible before: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nix/0/0 Looks like the first step has been made. _____________________ If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be research. Clever Things -- Scripted gadgets, MystiTool plugins. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Takalo/248/218/144
Ephraim Kappler Reprobate Join date: 9 Jul 2007 Posts: 1,946	01-21-2009 15:24 Perhaps this will make an opening for a new grid in competition with SL that has no children and no child avatars? Frankly I'm fed-up, sick, sore and sorry with all of the problems connected to both issues in SL.

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