A thread for Officers and SL cops to share anit-griefing tips and tricks

I own quite a chunk of land (well, myself and my partner) but I dont feel I have to be "active" in maintaining a sense of order. I admit just me and my partner use teh (the) land BUT I have met some really nice people who fly or flop in. They have a scared expression in their voices when I say "Hi" but I welcome them and send them on their way. I remember taht (that) when I was first on SL, I used to "live" in a house that actually belonged to someone else who didnt know I was there. One night just as we were leaving (I was showing a friend the interior of this tasteful place) the owner was kinda standing outside just about to tap-open his door. We were stunned and he just animated himself with rolling laughter. When sl had a small population he was a well-known sl "personality" and he was lovely to us. I try hard to be as warm as he.

I think if we are kinder to each other then we will exhibit the philosophy of sl to a much better degree. We dont need police. We need to listen to our own consciences.

In my on-going self-corrective campaign I have indicated words I have corrected.

Yes, mainland sim owner don't have these tools to ban or eject griefer. But most do not justify the need to pay US$100 more every month just to have an estate tool to ban/eject griefer. (FYI: Island tier is $295, mainland full sim tier is $195)

You just have to set your parcel to no build, no script, no fly, no object entry. Ban the the griefer and eject them. And we can tp away for a while. I don't think the griefer will stay for more than 10 minutes when there's no one around to grief.

Besides this, I really don't understand how griefer's prim is able to 'embed' into your house. They can't link it to your object even if they have mod and move perm on your object. Anyway, its still cheaper to purchase a new house than to pay that extra US$100 for a not-so-effect estate 'anti-griefer' tool.

Mind you, I think having a kinda unreal "Third Policeman" approach might be neat. People who are a police force investigating "serious crimes." There's something very sexy about handcuffs. A police force would be as "real" as a high school BUT they may add spice to our lives.

I work for a group of sims together, and great thing is I do it out of the kindness of my own heart loving the place. No money involved. Inexperienced a bit, yes. But they know i am very responsible and very rule oriented, and pretty obviously I want to learn and better my skills as this thread says. Gotta learn somewhere right?

EDIT: It rarely, if ever comes to banning and griefers rarely come also but you do get the occasional one. Its more of a making sure people respect people and don't cross lines or boundaries. Advertising is a no no and a few other basic common sense things. (9 times out of 10 it's one of those and a simple IM to them asking them to stop works, if it doesn't and they persist I kick them. If you consider that wrong then I really think the whole meaning of "rules" in each sim is going right over your head, no offense. I don't enforce the rules, i ask for them to be followed in a nice manner and if they get rude or don't follow them then yes, I kick them with a explanation of why and tell them if they do come back to not break the rules and tell them to re-read the rules.

On another note I can see how SL sim officers and such give bad names. Like a few of you said here people take the position straight to the head and thier head swells. They abuse their position and what not. The places I do this for we are all fair but the Owners and Head of security know each person they chose and all the other Officers I know from there are very fair, follow the rules types. but yes I have seen abuse over my years in SL(been here longer than my BOD). I think that comes donw to maybe hiring openly, or placing adds and ofcourse who hasn't fibbed a bit or lyed in a job interview in RL to get the job. Anyone can talk the talk and look the look but getting down to it is where it shows. I've been in places that have kicked the first day looking people just because they had the first day look. Sad, very sad. Our team is very good and very responsible and the traffic in our sims shows that. Everyone that is a Officer is also a regular patron of the sim. Like I said though the bad give the good a bad name, all part of the game like anything else.

Well, then you really are enforcing the rules.

As you say, you are very rule-oriented. This enforcement involves several sims. I am still hazy over what "rules" arent being followed. If they are Linden rules then it's not for you to enforce them. In fact, unless it's blatant disregard for any shred of human decency then really why bother to tie up Lindens with ARs in the first place when the so-called "griefer" will leave when he/she turns off computer. Then a simple ban will suffice.

If they are private sim rules, then "group" everyone and the followers of the rules will be happy indeed. But I suspect a deeper side of this. Rules are dangerous things when they get into the hands of enforcement. The wrong enforce-men (note NOT spelling error) will simply drive a newbie away from sl - when we are really meant to encourage them to stay. I suggest giving them a break - and not setting a trap by which innocent people land in the sim and get "kicked".

The reason why I am concerned is because last night I discovered a gestapo-type stalag watchtower in the land next door to my lovely "Sueno Blue" in Mimas. Now, my sl house was actually designed for me by a real architect who designs homes and offices in Brasilia and Rio. Examples of his work are in Spain. So now it looks like Hogan's Heroes have moved in next door with a barbed wire fence etc. This is a "security firm" and I must give them the heebie-jeebies with my goings-on next door - "There she is - yes - at it with ANOTHER of her men ... where's her so-called partner?? Is that a painting of a woman's errrr ... shoulders?" I hope they simply contract OUT of my mainland sim and dont bother me.

Security systems have "runs" in sl. A newer population is settling in. The media have created a sorry tale of us, so we attract "law-grievers". I can't speak for your sims, Harmony, but I think a far more gentle and encompassing attitude will go a long way to restoring sl as a viable alternative to telly and video games. Let's stay clear of "enforcement" ride out this wave and see what happens when we welcome genuine and intelligent users. However, I recognize that you care enough to help your sim as best you can.

To put it another way, "We don't need no education/ We don't need no thought-control/ No dark sarcasm in the classroom/ Hey, Teacher!/ Leave those kids alone! - applies in this case.

I was referring to really active parcels like RP ones, and sports sims ...clubs probably too.

I run a group with 750 members, and assist in running an rp group with 2200 paid members in it, and trust me, if we did not moderate and police these 2 places, we would simply collapse and close. When you are holding events, or are moderating a 24 hour a day, 7 days a week RP sim you simply cannot allow for an anything goes attitude, if you want to be successful.

I don't understand it either, how the griefer's prims were able to do the damage they did. I also don't think that you can speak for anyone except yourself, or say that 'most' do not justify the need to pay, etc. There are plenty of people paying to be on an estate instead of mainland. I prefer to be on an estate. Just that simple. I own both mainland parcels and estate parcels and I like the estate better. It's way more peaceful, not crowded. My mainland parcels are on Whitesun, just a hop skip and jump from the Forum Cartel land. It's a crowded little piece of work over there where I am. I own a 512 and a 1024.

Above me and off to the side (not over my land or would have returned it) has appeared a huge castle in the sky. Bleah. Never have to worry about crap like that on an estate, I have it in the estate covenant that all sky builds have to be above 350 meters. But on mainland, no covenant, so they can do what they want. The parcel next to me was/is group owned by somebody I know. Someone (not her) has come and placed a big ugly rock on the land. She has her perms set wrong I guess, whatever. She has tried, and cannot return it, the rock. So it sits there. She doesn't care about that parcel, she owns estate land elsewhere that she cares about. It's just the 'free' 512. So no recourse except for her to bug LL about that, and she won't bother, she doesn't care about it. Stuff like that annoys me and interferes with my enjoyment of SL. So it's worth it to me to pay for it, to be on an estate. To each his own.

Yes Japan has reached that height of civilization, though still no Tim Hortons yet (far as I know) so they have not caught up to Canada yet!

hey that could be fun.. wonder how many griefers you could stuff into that 16 sq at one time?!

Eww Krispy Kreme donuts are too sickly sweet.

we have mr donut ...
Krispy Kreme is just in tokyo.. too far for most ppl to go.. (same as Burger King)

Maybe you'll like that, even if you aren't a "policeman".

<a href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Fr43k_Paine/Dealing_With_Griefers" target="_blank">http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Fr43k_Paine/Dealing_With_Griefers</a>

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Fr43k_Paine/Dealing_With_Griefers


Can anybody IM me how to get clickable links in that forum?

The OP, and a few of the other replies, strike me as way too regimented in their attitudes.

I live on a half sim, on the "wild and uncontrolled" mainland. I have only had to eject and ban three people in over a year. There was one particle attack (I wasn't there at the time) but it ended fairly quickly and without damage.

Most visitors are friendly and polite, and I am delighted to meet each one.

My favorite clubs are active and crowded. I can't think of the last time someone had to be banned from them. Oh wait, there was one...it was a bit of Drama between the club manager and an ex-girlfriend. A misuse of the manager's powers, IMO.

Several people have had to be banned from the educational sims I work in, for disrupting classes, particle attacks, or other misbehavior. The problems have all been dealt with quickly and without serious commotion.

For gosh sakes...live and let live, and if someone takes advantage of your kindness and generosity, just blast 'em and get on with it. No problem.

I have never really had to eject anyone from my land. I have banned a few. Mainly coz I didnt like the sound of their name when I was piddling around SL - I kinda KNEW they were trouble if you know what I mean. Laws are so much more fun if they are arbitrarily-applied.
"Hey you!"
"Who me?"
"Yeah you! Get off'a my cloud!"

I swear I am haunted by my ex-teachers in this world.

I'm pretty sure you've never been to one of my classes, Jig. It's OK, I'll haunt you anyway. We still have armies to service, after all!

Are we the ones who will do the "servicing" of the armies - lol! plural no less! Wasnt it just an army the last time we spoke?