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Ordinal Malaprop
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09-07-2008 14:13
From: Xio Jester
That's what I tell my relatives @ funerals, but ppl don't like that idea, don't get it, or just think that when THEY die, they wanna be remembered I guess.

I consider this a very perceptive remark.
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09-07-2008 14:16
From: Ordinal Malaprop
I consider this a very perceptive remark.


Thanks Ordinal, it's just the way I see death personally, and I treat other people's deaths the way I wanna see them act when I kick the bucket myself.

Pay respects, yes last RESPECTS, but they can save the long term depression & trauma if they can help it. If I'm even in any crazy state of awareness after I "pass away" I sure as hell don't feel like watchin a church full of slobberin folks who could be celebratin' my life instead.
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09-07-2008 14:25
From: Xio Jester
Thanks Ordinal, it's just the way I see death personally, and I treat other people's deaths the way I wanna see them act when I kick the bucket myself.

Pay respects, yes last RESPECTS, but they can save the long term depression & trauma if they can help it. If I'm even in any crazy state of awareness after I "pass away" I sure as hell don't feel like watchin a church full of slobberin folks who could be celebratin' my life instead.


After spending 2 years in the Middle East i gotta totally agree with you, the friends i lost out there i celebrate the time i was able to spend with them rather than getting all morose and depressed about their deaths, i would rather remember the fun times we had ;)
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09-07-2008 14:50
From: Peggy Paperdoll
It's offensive to many people......and you know it is. You say it anyway......what does that tell people about you?



I'll repeat myself one time then leave this thread to die.
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09-07-2008 14:54
i, for one, consider a memorial of this nature a celebration of life of someone of who died tragically, and a tribute to their memory. also, it is a kind gesture towards the relatives who lost loved ones.

just because you see it in a negative nature doesn't mean everyone does. and when i think of 9/11/01 with a specific political mind, i do not think of muslims. i think of patriotism. family. and unity.

please do not lump me in with your political agenda and self righteous drama moments.
From: Kyrah Abattoir
Umm this will probably stir something i don't wanna stir but...
Isn't there better things to do than mourning the deads? It isn't like they can hear it.

I dunno... celebrate the livings?


All this is doing is fueling up the hate against Muslims.
Every minutes babies are born and peoples die across the globe, there are happy moments and sad moments, and life goes on.
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09-07-2008 15:41
From: Nika Talaj
Kyrah, Dakota, Nina -- /me squints at the original post. Jannae made a simple request for information. I don't see anything there requesting a discussion on either politics or the ethics of mourning.

For once, let's pretend this is still Resident Answers.

*points at the Politics forum over on SLU*
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Thank you Nikki, and also thank you for the land mark . That is precisely what I was looking for.

I am sorry if I offended anyone with my op.
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09-07-2008 15:48
Jannae, you did not offend a single person.
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09-08-2008 20:35
?? i def didnt discuss politics or ethics. rather i indicated that we didnt need yet another discussion.

and dont tempt me with a discussion of slu, where disagreement is met with hostility and bannings.
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Kyrah, Dakota, Nina -- /me squints at the original post. Jannae made a simple request for information. I don't see anything there requesting a discussion on either politics or the ethics of mourning.

For once, let's pretend this is still Resident Answers.

*points at the Politics forum over on SLU*
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09-08-2008 21:12
From: Nina Stepford
?? i def didnt discuss politics or ethics. rather i indicated that we didnt need yet another discussion.

and dont tempt me with a discussion of slu, where disagreement is met with hostility and bannings.


I am so sorry that such a simple request generated this discussion. Discussion of 9-11 was not my intent. For personal reasons, 9-11 is a significant event in my RL. I naively op'd for the purpose of getting the info that was provided by Niki, and I am in her debt.

I agree that this is not the forum for a discussion of the actual 9-11 event. I am appreciative of those posts in support of my own personal view and value the posts of those who have differing opinions, but I believe that it is time to take such discussions outside of this thread.

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09-08-2008 21:33
From: Jezebella Desmoulins
Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. Would you suggest that we stop remembering the dead of the Holocaust, the World Wars, and Vietnam, too? Maybe that big wall in Washington, D.C. should be torn down. All it's doing is fueling up the hate against the Vietnamese, right?


Weeeeelllll... if you wanna go that way... there's the Roman Empire, Korean War, Cuban Refugees, African Slaves, World War 1, Civil War, Revolutionary War, Greece, Britain, France, Czech Republic, China, Japan, and so on & so on.

SO! As a god fearing-honoring those before us-rightous citizen.... Which one are you gonna support? Failure to support all previous wars would be bad. You might upset the Italians, Japanese, Africans, Cubans, Southern USA, Northern USA, Germans, Russian, British, Irish, Scottish, Indian, South African, Canadian(?), European, etc.

I'm not saying remembering the dead is bad, but hanging onto it is.

As for a 9-11 memorial, I'm fine with that.
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09-08-2008 21:43
From: Kyrah Abattoir
Umm this will probably stir something i don't wanna stir but...
Isn't there better things to do than mourning the deads? It isn't like they can hear it.

I dunno... celebrate the livings?


All this is doing is fueling up the hate against Muslims.
Every minutes babies are born and peoples die across the globe, there are happy moments and sad moments, and life goes on.


DAMMIT WOMAN!!! Or man.... Quit thinking my thoughts!!! :mad:

While I'm sorry about the loss of "life", I don't hang on to those who passed.

I've had grandparents die on the bed while I sat beside them but didnt totally "freak out" about it. The funnerals were a tear-fest tho.

Life is a Lottery. Every day you may be the Unlucky Winner & have your number come up.

Enjoy Life as you know it. You never know when that unlucky number of yours will come up.
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09-08-2008 22:45
From: Tod69 Talamasca
DAMMIT WOMAN!!! Or man.... Quit thinking my thoughts!!! :mad:

While I'm sorry about the loss of "life", I don't hang on to those who passed.

I've had grandparents die on the bed while I sat beside them but didnt totally "freak out" about it. The funnerals were a tear-fest tho.

Life is a Lottery. Every day you may be the Unlucky Winner & have your number come up.

Enjoy Life as you know it. You never know when that unlucky number of yours will come up.


Had a big rant to post about this BS, but thought better of it.

Trying hard to be nice despite it all.

Please take this stupid fight outside.

Perhaps you have no idea how much this hurts those who have a true involvement with this event.

I believe that most people are kind. Just realize that 9-11 is not a hypothetical for some, and I don't know why you put life in quotes.

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09-09-2008 02:27
For every five helpful, sympathetic people you may find in these forums, you will find one who simply has to make their point, regardless of whatever offense or harm they may touch off in the process. My best advice to you, Jannae, is to leave this thread and not look back.
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09-09-2008 06:08
From: Morgan Flannery
For every five helpful, sympathetic people you may find in these forums, you will find one who simply has to make their point, regardless of whatever offense or harm they may touch off in the process. My best advice to you, Jannae, is to leave this thread and not look back.


Best advice I've heard all day (of course it is only 6 AM where I am).

Good bye thread.
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09-09-2008 08:51
/me gives Jannae a hug.


And we keep hearing how civilized the Europeans are.

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09-09-2008 09:32
The important about events such as September the 11th and WWI and WWII is that you must REMEMBER what happened.

If the people who died are not remembered, then obviously the wars and the bravery of those who lost their lives trying to drag survivers out of the towers was a waste of time, and that is basically what you are saying in a nutshell.

I am from the UK, and I am sure Americans who see this topic will be pretty pissy too. We can't NOT remember the fire fighters, paramedics, police officers, and normal civilians who lost their lives just because it may stir hatred against Muslims - only a small minority of people will do this.

The important thing is that we REMEMBER what happened, it is exactly the same with everything.

If a member of your family which you were close to died, you would want to REMEMBER them once in a while, and hope that other people remembered them, right? It is the same with this...

From: Kyrah Abattoir
Umm this will probably stir something i don't wanna stir but...
Isn't there better things to do than mourning the deads? It isn't like they can hear it.

I dunno... celebrate the livings?


All this is doing is fueling up the hate against Muslims.
Every minutes babies are born and peoples die across the globe, there are happy moments and sad moments, and life goes on.
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09-09-2008 09:46
I'm sorry to hear you have such a sad day ahead Jannae. I can sympathise to an extent in that I did know two people who thankfully escaped physically unscathed from the south tower.

My understanding is that there will be a memorial service at the World Trade Center Memorial (NYC Sim) starting at 8:30 Eastern after which a new installation will be unveiled to commemorate the Firefighters who died.

To an extent it is very sad that grief and mourning on such a personal level is so linked to the political and historical baggage that goes with such an event.

I think however (as an uncivilized european) that there are definite issues to be discussed regarding what happened on that date, the implications and historical reverberations and it's use as a political and economic tool.

As for those that bemoan the dwindling of the US's interest or rememberance of the event (US Today reports that only 6% of americans will formally observe the anniversary), I'd happily pay each of you L$100 who could (without googling) give me the date of and number of casualities inflicted by the attack on Pearl Harbour.

I guess what I'm saying is, that as the pains of personal loss fade (thankfully), so do those of nations.
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09-09-2008 09:55
From: Atticus Scribe
I'm sorry to hear you have such a sad day ahead Jannae. I can sympathise to an extent in that I did know two people who thankfully escaped physically unscathed from the south tower.

My understanding is that there will be a memorial service at the World Trade Center Memorial (NYC Sim) starting at 8:30 Eastern after which a new installation will be unveiled to commemorate the Firefighters who died.

To an extent it is very sad that grief and mourning on such a personal level is so linked to the political and historical baggage that goes with such an event.

I think however (as an uncivilized european) that there are definite issues to be discussed regarding what happened on that date, the implications and historical reverberations and it's use as a political and economic tool.

As for those that bemoan the dwindling of the US's interest or rememberance of the event (US Today reports that only 6% of americans will formally observe the anniversary), I'd happily pay each of you L$100 who could (without googling) give me the date of and number of casualities inflicted by the attack on Pearl Harbour.

I guess what I'm saying is, that as the pains of personal loss fade (thankfully), so do those of nations.


December 7, 1941. Don't know the exact number of casualties but I think it was around...2000 dead and ...over 1000 injured.
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09-09-2008 10:02
Ok smarty pants.. L$100 goes to you (I had to google it I admit).

Obviously I'm just going to assume anyone else who answers correctly from now on just copied you though :)
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09-09-2008 10:14
From: Dannoth Dagger
The important about events such as September the 11th and WWI and WWII is that you must REMEMBER what happened.

If the people who died are not remembered, then obviously the wars and the bravery of those who lost their lives trying to drag survivers out of the towers was a waste of time, and that is basically what you are saying in a nutshell.

I am from the UK, and I am sure Americans who see this topic will be pretty pissy too. We can't NOT remember the fire fighters, paramedics, police officers, and normal civilians who lost their lives just because it may stir hatred against Muslims - only a small minority of people will do this.

The important thing is that we REMEMBER what happened, it is exactly the same with everything.

If a member of your family which you were close to died, you would want to REMEMBER them once in a while, and hope that other people remembered them, right? It is the same with this...


QFT. Many people, from all walks of life were MURDERED that day. They simply went to work and never came home. Some whose remains have never been found,the familis of which don't even have a grave to visit if they wised.Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Black, White, Brown Yellow, American, British, French, Chinese........... Two family members and one person even more important than that to me were murdered that day. I will never forget that, no matter how long I live. Nor will I ever stop wishing that the animals who committed that crime burn in Hell for Eternity. On Thursday I will be at Ground Zero, as I have been every year. To remeber them. Every single one.

As for the innocent victims of war, I mourn for them as well. There have been too many "accidents and mistakes". And anyone knowingly causing harm to innocents should be held accountable, although we know it doesn't always happen.
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09-09-2008 10:34
except ppl WILL NOT remember what happened that day.
they will remember what they were told happened.
there is a big difference between the two, and an honest discussion of the matter is quite impossible given american sensitivity on that topic.

thats why i mentioned that we really didnt need another 9/11 thread.
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09-09-2008 10:41
From: Nina Stepford
except ppl WILL NOT remember what happened that day.
they will remember what they were told happened.
there is a big difference between the two, and an honest discussion of the matter is quite impossible given american sensitivity on that topic.

thats why i mentioned that we really didnt need another 9/11 thread.

What happened was that almost 3,000 peple were murderd that morning. That's what I know, that's what I remember.I don't need to be told anything beyond that. That's for historians to decide.
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09-09-2008 10:52
Those of you speaking against "remembrance" ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

If you don't like the topic of the thread, pass it by....

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09-11-2008 22:28
Funny thing:

My dad was in Vietnam.

He has a reason why 9-11 pisses him off.

When he came home just like the others, his fellow Americans spit on him, called him Baby Killer and so on. Upon reaching the airport, he immediately changed out of his uniform to avoid the abuse by his own countries citizens. Then there's the ones who came home with mental issues. Again, our country refused to recognize it. I know of a few dozen Vietnam Vets who can tell you just how much our country thought of them as "heroes".

Fast-forward to today. A bunch of bankers die in an act by a group of nuts. No one calls them names. But they're called "heroes".

Then add to this all the other countries where terrorism was a daily thing.

Just seems 'phony' that the USA picks this event as a big thing while we watched our own & others who were heroes disappear & be forgotten.

In my eyes, the people of Flight 93 were Heroes. They Fought back.
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09-11-2008 22:47
it's sad that for one freakin day we can't put aside our own beliefs and agendas just to remember those who died due to others beliefs and agendas. for ONE day to set it all aside and take a few minutes and honor those men and women, no matter WHO they are, with a kind word or send a small prayer in silence to thier families or whatever.

it's pathetic to think that for one day some of you can't step outside of yourselves to just bow your heads and give a dam.
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