Banned by off-world content....

Ok, so I know that property-owners can ban individuals from their land for any reason, even insipid & senseless reasons. However, should you only ban for in-world offenses?

The other day a RL friend of mine came over and we looked at the home I just built in SL. I was showing her what options I had checked (she wanted to know more about auto-return,) when she asked to see my ban list. I showed her and explained how each person made their way onto the list.

When I got to the guy who spams about his "darkRP post appocalyptic community" and the girl who thinks Americans are all rude, my friend asked me if I had ever met these people in-world. I replied that I had not.

Well, she was mortified. RL and SL are supposed to be seperate! You can't ban people sight-unseen!

*sigh*

I calmly changed the subject and clicked off of the ban list, but even after she left I was a little befuddled. Did I do the wrong thing? Is karma going to bite me in the ass? Am I the only person who does this?

It's your land... Your paying for it.
You can do what you want with it including banning people.

i wouldnt feel one bit bad.

Nope. I've actully had contact with a very few of the people that are on my ban list.

Their actions or atittudes toward me, my friends or the community circle that I'm a part of determines whether or not they are put on the ban list, even if I have not met them.

I only preemtively ban names that come up as grid-griefers or the like. Basically people that I think may pose an annoyance to me on my land.

While you didn't do anything wrong imo, the chances of anyone posting a bad post here winding up on your land (when you don't even know them) is slim to none, and I think I saw Slim leaving town earlier *Grins*

However, you can very well ban people sight unseen. It's up to you to determine if you need to, or if you're just wasting a ban slot.

I imagine I might be banned from a few lands myself for my plain speaking (ie, I'm a loudmouth lol), but ya know what? I've never noticed since I don't go to these places (either that, or I'm not banned *grins* See the irony?).

All-in-all, I think you did well. Calmed your friend, changed teh subject from what is obviously a sensative subject to her, and then asked to see if your course was civil. The fact that you ask yourself if you're doing right puts you far ahead of a good majority of society today in the Real World ^.~

~Jessy

Personally I won't ban someone unless they do something In World to warrant it. Just like I don't believe in banning people In World in conjunction with a Forum ban. But it's your place. You can do with it as you wish.

Well it depends. If someone is saying something about me in the forums or on blogs that could impact on my SL business then I'd consider banning them but generally I only ban those who cause problems for me inworld.

I wouldn't ban someone from my land because we got into a petty spat on the forums.

I'm curious if avatars who are banned can tell if it's them specifically, other than by trying again with an alt. Wouldn't it just look like a ban and they would get the "Not on Access List" message?

I have come to think of these forums as an integral part of the SL world, so what happens here affects there. It was not "sight unseen." I don't like banning in general, but you have more reason than many. Some people just rudely blanket ban everyone except an elite few on the access list.

They could:
1) Look at the Ban List. Since for some silly reason, LL allows anyone to view any ban list of any parcel.
2) Fly up to 50m above the ground level (standard height for Access Ban Lines) and try to fly over. Ban List avatars Ban Lines go up to infinity.

~Jessy

Sorry, I should have added that the person by his/her actions and attitude would pose a serious threat.

your land, ban who you want

Parcel ban lists are public (just look at About Land), it's probably a different message when they bump into them and a ban actually extends all the way up to 768m where an access restriction is only 50ish AGL.

Estate bans are private though and I don't know if you could tell the difference there between an estate ban (or a ban on a sim sized parcel) and a restricted estate (or a restricted sim sized parcel).

Is there a filter on the ban list so that I could just ban "rude Americans"?

Is there a filter on the ban list so that I could just ban "rude Americans" in general?

If someone sends me an unsolicited group invitation without any explanation they go straight on the mute list, but I wouldn't ban them. I only ban those that cause 'trouble'. You said it in your opening sentence Eben, you can ban who ever you like, for what ever reason you choose.

I guess I can see banning someone for whatever reason.

But for forums drama, unless they are offensively abusive to someone, I don't get it.

Banning someone over an opinion they hold? Who has never even done anything to you? Seems a waste of a perfectly good ban slot to me.

Unfortunately, punishing people for their opinions is still a popular idea.

That idea goes back to the Garden *smirks*

~Jessy

You can do as you like, so long as you aren't on a private estate that doesn't allow ban lists.

Considering the fact that the grid is whopping huge now, and even if you ban someone from your mainland they can still taunt you from the border... or even come in as an alt and dance on your lawn...

...what does banning them accomplish? Might make you feel a bit better, or avoid a one in a million situation, that's about it.

This is actually incorrect. Parcel bans on both Estates and Mainland automatically mute the person banned, and all their objects. This mute also extends to any visitors that might be on your property as well.

Yes, they can create an alt, and 'dance on your lawn'. However, considering how many minutes it takes to create an alt account vs. how many seconds it takes to issue a ban - who do you think will tire of that little game quicker?

When deciding whether or not to ban someone, ask yourself one question; do you want to them?

Also, punishing people for their opinions is perfectly reasonable; if they have the wrong opinions that is.

Hrm, I didn't know that, that's handy! Guess I just don't ban enough people...

Can't they still poke at you with prims &c though?

Banning people that have never given you grief on your land is not "wrong". It's just superfluous/meaningless. As 'who?' posted, it's just a waste of a banning slot (if you ever needed one).

In all the plots I've owned since I started here in January '07, I've only had to ban two avatars, and they were just noobs whoo were rezzing (1) a penis, (2) a gun - and interrupting a conversation I was having with a friend. The bans were removed next day and I never noticed the names coming back.
If I had not been busy, I would have talked to them.


There are people on this forum that I regard as retarded mouth-breathers. The very idea of banning them from my land is just plain silly. If they ever turn up, I'll talk to them. There is good in everybody. LOL! I initially typed that as "god in everybody" - It's true though!
If they should turn out to be totally puke-inducing, and continue to turn up and be in my face - then and only then would I ban them.

Banning sundry names just 'because you can' is a symptom of control-freakiness.
BEWARE of your inner control freak. Do NOT feed it.

One may do as one pleases upon one's own parcel, however it seems spiritually undeveloped to do as the original poster has stated he does.

Also, in response to a poster who wondered why ban lists are public on the mainland - why shouldn't they be? Griefers certainly won't be surprised to find themselves included, but the person who changes and mends his ways or the person mistakenly added would not be able to redress the issue if they couldn't see the ban list.

I not surprised in it. I just think it's dumb to let it be public. Quite frankly, it's no one's buisness if I have problems with another Resident, or if another Resident has problems with me.

Basically, LL is "naming names" themselves by not allowing the list to be hidden.

~Jessy