How Low Will It Go: Deluxe Edition!

you will notice the person i was replying to was suggesting no regulation whatsoever, implying no consumer protection at all. i am fully aware that red tape and bureaucracy are not libertarian ideals.

I think I read somewhere that the policy is that LL will list the land again and if it doesn't sell a second time they may put it up for sale directly.

since they are on the grid already i think they will have no problem to just park them on a server 10? or 20? on 1 server, why should they care ?

*atleast we will have loads of open space to roam in

I'm pretty stunned at the relentless dropping of sims to auction in this already severly corrected market. We will see new record lows for full sims tonight, beating last night's record lows.

Guess I should have seen the boost to a base of $1125 starting auction price as a warning sign rather than LL just trying to take away the first pointless bids. If I were buying sims to flip, I'd be pretty nervous.

i personally did not expect such a rapid fall, as i see now, and it seems only 30% or less of corsica is on the map ?

btw: congrats on the sim raymond, certainly a nice one!

Thanks! Just wish I could start building, but not going to give LL $195 for five days tier.

Good call, that would be an expensive 5 days.

Yeah, to be honest, the thought of the $195 a month is making me a bit ill. If they ever raise tier, I couldn't see how I could make it work profitwise.

Funny thing is, that's EXACTLY what I suspected and even said so here:

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But was pretty roundly shouted down about it at the time And at the time it REALLY did make sense that they were raising it to cover thier costs. $1250 being the actual old charge for the sim hardare before the "because buisness will pay more" price hike went into effect.

Who is that idiot in post #2? Don't ever take land advice from that guy.

I think I have seen him post before somewhere.

Historic night for me. I bought a 512 for $3000. That's cheaper than any I ever bought since I've been trading land, even going back to June 06 when there were 300k total members.

How much did I sell it for? $3000. Turns out the owner set it by mistake and a landbot got it and it had just gotten relisted. He was beyond thrilled to get it back.

Threy realise their new increased starting bid raise was useless and keep dropping till somone buys it?
Lindens will take any offer just to get the sims on the grid so they can make tier from them.
Providing they can find people willing to pay $295 per month with opposition on its way at lower prices.

Thankfully it's $195 for mainland sims. $295 is for islands.

Hmm for how long though? I thought it was supposed to be raised to the same as islands at some stage.

It nay be raised, but mainland tier at the sim level should never be the same as islands in my opinion, due to the fact that islands offer water on four sides (unless you choose to be connected to another island you own), which taken alone justifies a higher tier than much of mainland, which is either landlocked or has only partial water access.

the true tier income for most mainland is way higher, though, right? Due to the sliding scale and all those little tiers.

This is very true ... I just hit $125 for my land on Triumphal, and my neighbour has $45 worth of tier there, and we only have just under half that sim between us.

I am woefully under land for my tier though, I just managed to edge in on the concierge level with the last bit of waterfront I grabbed.

Still means that there is space for when the others go, and I can grab that as well. Just bought some beachfront on a neighbouring sim so we can place race buoys for sailing as well, it all adds up. Still about 8k free on this tier though..

Is there a landbuyers anon on sl?

Oh, and *so* much more that's limiting about Mainland ownership. You get no Estate Tools, so you're at the mercy of the Linden's at best haphazard land management. You get whatever war-surplus CPU they planted there, back when the grid was young and punchcards were all the rage. And every bordering sim gets to lag yours whenever some passing avatar glances your way.

Don't get me wrong: I love the Mainland. But 2/3 the Island fee is already a big stretch of its relative worth per sq.m. And if the Lindens somehow imagined that anybody would pay extra for Voice, they must have gotten that out of their heads by now, I should think. (Not a slam against Voice as a feature, but as a revenue source.)

I agree, generally. If you can get a nice sim in the mainland though (eg in the new areas), it can be quite nice -- although it's more of a crap shoot than getting an island sim, to be sure.

True, but you are comparing a person who owns an entire island with someone who owns an entire mainland sim. 99% of people in SL don't fall into either of those categories. Most people who live on islands rent a small plot--they don't own it. From a renter's perspective on an island, estate tools don't matter much. They don't get to use them, though they can *request* a change be made. Likewise, most mainland landowners don't own an entire sim. It would be even more chaotic on the mainland if a 512m owner raised their plot 100m in the sky--so I don't think many estate tools would work on the mainland anyway. I think the main selling point of islands is the controlled development making it much more attractive. However, with so many new sims flooding the market every day, I think all this cheap land might start to make controlled developments on the mainland more common.

I just hope if mainland tier does go up, that those of us who already have land are "grandfathered" like old islands owners were.

When they raised the island tier last year, Zee said that it was (at least partially) because a private island offered more in the way of estate management tools and such - they cost more because they give you more.

As much as the thought of mainland tier going up makes me cringe, I'd sure love to have access to a "top scripts" function or the ability to deal with our own ARs.

Yes. Mainland is not a "bargain" compared to Islands in regards to tier until you hit a half sim's tier at $125.

Tier is way too high already. We would have to have our new resort at total capacity to even make a few dollars over tier in rent. If they raise mainland tier any more than it is, I would have to sell the sim I just got.

I think an island is worth the premium, if only for the estate tools and the water buffer. I live in fear of what my mainland neighbors will do with their sims. So far, so good. No resellers carving 512s around us yet.

Thinking about this: Fixed tier paid into a world for an asset which LL can make arbitrarily worthless (by increasing the size of the world) is iniquitous. There should be a pro rata decrease in tier with each new online sim.

Yes, or a fixed land price (or free land+tier fee) for all land. I'm guessing something along these lines will happen?