Ban List - Only 100? It needs to be more!

I work at a women-only exclusive club, so as you may have guessed, we ban male avatars. Well, we also ban women who break the rules, and after so many men and rule-breakers, the ban list gets full. I think there needs to be more available slots. Like... 500, maybe. 100 is too small!

What do you guys think?

Sounds like maybe an "access" list would be more effective.

Wouldn't work, unless you know of a way to only welcome women avatars... aka.. women who originally put their avatar as a woman to begin with. We just have too many women who come to the club... and we welcome them all!

Coming from a place that gets ALOT of "idiots" that show up, I completely agree. I co-own the Digital Championship Wrestling Federation and we get a crazy amount of idiots, griefers, drama llamas, and all sorts of other people. With a legit traffic of about 14-16k a day, we get a ton of visitors. With that, we get a decent amount of idiots. I've many times over had to go through the banlist, remove anyone that has been banned from SL completely (no longer appears in search), just so I can have room.

After all these years, a ban list of 100 and even a groups list of 25 is just overly limiting without reason.

I think you could probably go through the list and prune out the ones you banned ages ago, or who haven't logged on in a while.

We were griefed the other day, ended up banning about 10 people...that means, 1/10th of the ban list just got filled.

That's in one day.

It may not make much sense to those that dont have high-traffic locations, but for those that do, this is a huge issue.

Ah, but how do you know they're really women? Or that the guys are really guys?

I'm always amused by women only clubs. My partner has gone to a few and she's been able to pick out the guys in the crowd. One of those was a host in the club.

Agreed. High Traffic locations get loads of people obviously and there are always going to be griefers, rule breakers. And with loads of people, that number of rulebreakers gets bigger... 100 isn't enough!



Obviously we can't do a thing about that until we get proof. We've also had at least two people (one who did a lot of building for the sim) in staff that were guys. One just discovered recently. We just care about the avatar. Women avatars only. Male avatars ejected.

Do you ban them immediately? Wouldn't it be better to eject them from the area and see if they come back? I would think that would take care of at least some of them.

Except that most greifers realize it was just an ejection, not a ban, and come right back in and continue. It's hard to know exactly how bad it gets unless you have a high-traffic area with alot of unique visitors.

It seems to me that griefers don't usually return to the same place again and again, especially if they notice they're banned upon immediately trying to return. Wouldn't it be effective to just 24hr ban someone and take their name off after the time is up? I think that would have almost the same effect.

My observation is that griefers never come back.

I do Estate kicks though, It looks the same as being banned from the sim, so maybe they think thats what happened.

The Estate ban list is a bit bigger then a parcel ban list (500 to be exact) but I still don't use it unless they come back.

Well depends on the club Sredni. My partner and I own a women's only club, however we (unlike mostwomen's only clubs) do not look into or care about the RL of a person who spends time at our club. they could be male, female or somewhere in between, that is of no consequence to us.

For us our club is simply a space for female avatars in SL who wish to spend time in a female orientated space. It is about friendship and compaionship, about a place to spend time with like minded indivduals and a chance to get away from the male population of SL.

Even still, there really is no good argument as to why there should be a 100 person limit. If I ban someone that is a greifer, I want to know they don't come back, not just hope. We have to ban all sorts, from people that continually jump in the ring during matches, to those that want to join and end up not getting approved and decide to throw a tantrum. Oh, and the ever-present greifers.

Honestly, there really is no argument or reason why it SHOULDN'T be more than 100. I could see why many locations wouldn't use up to all 100 allowed, but there are other locations that are at the max at all times, with very good reasons for each person on that list.

Agreed... 100 people limit is nonsense. It just causes problems. You get your limit, you have to take off people and they will come back. For instance, a woman that was breaking rules, and annoying people, got banned and then came back. While she hasn't done anything more to annoy... it still proves people can come back at a time when they realize they are off the list.

Why not use a security system in the club? Not usre if I can mention particular names here, but the security system I use holds 400 names on the server's blacklist, and multiple servers can be set up - Ultimately giving you unlimited blacklisting.... IM me in world if you want further details of the system. (I don't work for, or get paid by them, I'm just a happy customer!)

I have 49 regions, a community gateway, continual events, something like roughly 20,000 visits per week overall and only maybe a dozen on the ban list at any given time. If even that. It's pretty much cleared off regularly.

Prior to clearing the estate ban list back in 2007, there were tons of people on it just like any other estate. Then we instituted Avatar Rights and took a risk, unbanning everyone from 2006. No problems happened; in fact I don't think anyone banned for more than a day or two really bothers to come back.

Generally, if someone is a bit out of line, a gentle "hey, be cool" is more than enough these days. And they know the b4nh4mm3r is always there if we need to use it anyway.

Just saying.

I'm sure the casino across the road from my place (now long gone, thank goodness) had over 300 people on its ban list, although it ended up almost empty.

Even with the people we ban, we got visitors enough to almost crash the sim and cause lag, so it isn't a worry to say that doing this will empty our sim

I agree with Desmond. I work as hostess in a all female club and I would say 95% of guys who port in..if apraoched correctly will say "oh sorry didn't know" and TP away. I very rarely ever even have to eject one.

however I have seen in some clubs way to many Security or Hostress's that do the "OMG THERES A MAN!!! BAN HIM!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHh1!@!!!!!" type security.

A polite IM explaining the clubs policy is a much better way to handle things.

In SL Ive found that most griefing is in retaliation for some precieved afront and yelling and screaming then banning, or banning with no explination is more than likely to cause someone to make a throw away alt to drop self replicating cube in your sim than a polite IM and asking them to leave with an explination why.

This shouldnt turn into an argument over how bannings should or should not happen. Really, it's just about limitation. Working in a wrestling company has shown me that we tend to get our share of people that go FAR out of their way to make an ass of themselves. When it comes down to it, there really shouldn't be a set limit. If I want to keep 400 people on my ban list, I should be able to keep 400 people on my ban list. If you decide you only need 15 or so, so be it. I pay for this land, I should have that right.

Probably, like Group lists, LL puts the limits in to help control database size and sim performance. Every time anyone wants to TP to a location, the ban list has to be processed. Get that list up to 1000 for many many parcels and that is adding a lot of server processing, especially if the sim has lots of parcels, each with a huge ban list.

A much more reasonable explanation than they are doing it "just cuz" or "to be mean".

Permanent banning is a waste of resources over time. Ban lists should be able to be sorted by name or by ban date, that way you can easily prune names over 60 days old. Odds of someone coming back for retaliation after 60 days are pretty minuscule.

Personally, I think people are a little too ban happy under most circumstances. A quick "eject" usually gets the point across, followed by an IM of why they were ejected. Bans should be reserved for those who don't get it after the first message. There are exceptions, of course, I once banned someone for disrupting a wedding taking place on my sim. They got no warning or other dialog because it was my opinion that anyone who was such an asshat as to disrupt someone's wedding was unwelcome. Period. No discussion. That's considerably more than just a bit of obnoxious behavior.

The casino I referred to almost empty for several reasons - it was a horrible, ugly environment, it seemed it was one of those places where a lot of people didn't get their winnings and then, finally, gambling was banned. I don't think the ban list was the reason it was empty, although some of the people on the list were probably people who'd complained!

When I first read the thread I thought "who in the hell would ban as many as 100 people). I understand now that you've explained the circumstances. Perhaps creating a JIRA is your best option.