Sploders - Are they Illegal?

Following the gaming ban, I thought that using Spolders that give out money as prizes were illegal. Is this correct?

If their use is illegal, then assumably would be AR'able?

Secondly,if someone in the same sim as your land uses a sploder (whether legally or not) or some kind of camping so that the sim is full and no-one can in - is that AR'able also?

Finally, how do people find these things. It's like he puts out a Sploder/camping thingy, and the people flock instantly??

Thanks

Sploders are not legal. Do what you think you must if they are bothering.

Camping is legal so they are not ARable.

As I understood it sploder ARE legal if you dont have to pay to play
no bet = no gambling

They can limit the camp stations if it is detrimental to the other people in the sim

They will not limit actual people there who are not camping though (bots they may take issue with but it is a case by case thing)

Sorry............let's play semantics. Sploders as the original game of pay an object some amount of lindens for a chance of winning a larger amount after a set time are illegal..............that is what sploders are. Those "sploders" are illegal........and ARable. A sploder just sitting there and pays at random without you putting any amount of "bet" in are not illegal...........but I've never seen one like that. Maybe you are talking about "Poppers"............where you pay a set amount to play and then when it "pops" you break balls or some some other object and get a payout. Those are legal.......they require "skill".

Sploders, as normally meant, are illegal.

any sploder /game that is a challenge and takes the slightest bit of effort or skill to win it that pays money out is legal even if you pay into it.
any sploder/game designed as a game of chance that pays money out is not legal if you pay into it..

Hasn't this been discussed/debated/asked to death by now?

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Every now a then "NOT ALLOWED" one popup and the owners get banned.....

for a legal one they get banned?
why would they get banned if it was legal? or was that a typo?

Sorry I COMPLTELY disagree with your statement here.

Poker.. is a GAME.. that is a CHALLENGE... and takes quite a bit of EFFORT and SKILL to win.

Poker, is illegal.

ANY scripted device that accepts payments, and utilizes any seemingly-random number in order to affect who wins.. is illegal. Whether it be the draw of cards, the roll of the dice, the turn of the tumblers in a slot machine.. the randomly selected person in a sploder, etc.

Basically, any game where you have to risk something for a "CHANCE" to win anything of value (not neccessarily money)... assume it's illegal. This may even apply to a "claw machine" or a "grab bag vendor" (pay L$ X and receive a random item).

That may not be 100% surgically precise accurate in practice, because the Lindens REFUSE to be precise about what is, and is not banned.. and as always, they excercise some judgement in terms of what's tolerable on a case-by-case basis. But if you steer away from displaying any games that meet such criteria, you should be well safe in terms of the gambling ban.

I have seen lots in clubs where you have to be the last person to pay into the sploder before it explodes to win.
Are these legal? It's not random...

basicly any "money" game is legal aslong as the owner dosent get any of the money and takes minimum or no skill to play

I made a Timed Sploder just after the Ban went into effect. It's sold very well, in the hundreds. Since then - almost a year - only two of my customers have had it returned, and both of them have "won on appeal" - meaning LL said "OK, yes, that's legal, never mind". One of the important factors seems to be that it shows who paid in last (ie, the current winner) in hovertext.

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It's pretty simple, it seems to me....if you have to pay money into it, it's gambling, IE illegal. If you don't have to pay money into it, it's just a promotional thing, and NOT gambling, and so then it is legal. There ARE sploders out there that don't require pay-ins. So, semantics or not, the answer to every question is not black and white, and this is an example. The answer is "Depends...." Inserting a phrase like "...as normally meant..." into a question changes the meaning of it.

Depends on the meaning of what "is" is.

I think we all know what the OP was referring to. Sploders in that context are illegal, camping is not. So sematics do come into it.

I'm told that those are treated as legal.

It is all utterly arbitrary in any case, though. After all, the original RL legislation is dubious in the first place (what is "skill"? How much "skill" needs to be involved?) I would not expect consistency or logic here.

I seen those they use to be called cut throat ( if the spelling is correct ). No thats a game of chance because either you need to catch the moving part of the Sploder ( or the SAY ) its random. But really they are not allowed. Because its gambling and not skill as many say. If you don`t get what you pay in say 5l and you get 3l its not equal value... its gambling or chance.

The current Money Xploders like the ones from dmcyentertainment which seem to be the most prevalent on the grid seem to be legal because even though you can pay in you don't have to pay to play (which is the distinction that allows dmc to be legal for example), you can just click to join and paying is optional which is why a lot of groups have sprung up of people who chase the sploders for essentially free money. DMC is tricky though since in many places including where I work as a hoste you don't have to pay to play but to be eligible to win the "prize pool" (a euphemism for pot because of the gambling ban) you have to pay a minimum amount (20 L$ in our case) or if you win it goes back into the pot.

I have, but I don't think I've ever seen them called sploders. I've seen some variations on this theme, too, such as a person chosen at random has to sit on a target or touch something. The ones that just give out money at random seem to run under 10L$ a shot.

/me wonders why people are always so eager to AR and persecute sploders and camps, if I go to a place where there I things I don't like I simply leave instead of pretending to be a police

Because some people's lives are so pathetic that they have to reuin everyone else's fun and/or some people just want to be snitch's and/or some people are just assholes.

lololol @Gordon

I have to confess that although I loose already some lindens I won much more on sploders - not a fortune but some weeks I get like 200 to 1500... not a big deal, and if I loose? well who cares??? no1 is obliged to put lindens on it... and everyone knows that can loose

But isn't it our job to help with the "Keeping Second Life Safe, Together?"

shh, I think they got burned by an AR for doing something they shouldn't have according to the rules


If you know the rules are there and choose to break them and complain because someone saw it, tough it's the risk you take breaking the rules.

or maybe because one person has 40 people camped around their sploder for hours at a time and no-one else can get into the sim to get to their home/shop, etc.