Are Sploder's banned?

please help, I am a club owner, I really enjoyed the Sploders the provided great fun but since the gambleing has been banned I have removed them from my club. But, I have noticed many people are useing them again, so please help are they banned or are they ok any answers would be greatly accepted!

I would say yes,

I suspect the reason why your seeing them show up is because people have convicned themselves that since their not speficialy listed by name then they have to be ok.\

Unfortunatly what a Exploder is is a lottery. its based on a random chance and thus constituts gambleing

I believe someone posted on the last thread like this they had asked the Linden's directly and the Linden reply was

"We wont tell you"

But some made a very good arguement that one reason for that is "Sploder" could explain similair deivces that are not exactly the same. Some might violate the policy others not.

A number of people, myself included, think that they're borderline - they may violate the letter of the law but not the spirit of it. I also think that if LL decides sploders are against the rules, they will issue a warning before taking any serious action. They could, however, if they wanted to, take all your land and ban you from SL.

If it's really just a club with a sploder rather than a casino trying to pretend it's a club, I think you should be okay, at least for now. That said, it's not my account/land on the line.

What I would not expect is for them to issue a "clear and definitiive list of banned things." Just don't even ask for that - you won't get it.

I would suggest you use common sense.

If there's ANY question in your mind, then don't use them

They almost certainly violate the new policy (at least, the ones I've seen in the past) but, as they don't feed any money back to the establishment, I'd say they're likely to be the last item on anyone's extermination list.

Pi.

If A: You must pay to play B: The winner is random C: L$ are paid out (or anything else of value) then in my opinion it would be banned under the new ban on gambling.

I suppose if you put up a ball that the host feeds with cash and which randomly gives money to anyone it senses within a cetrain radius, with NO PAYMENT TO PLAY, then that would still be legal.

Contests, such as dance or costume contests, where the winner is determined by the votes of the participants, would still be fine. As would any sort of skill contest.

with all the gaming machines explicitly named in the LL blog, sploders were conspicuously left out.

and of all the gaming machines, sploders are the ones found all over the grid. both in and out of casinos.

it does seem curious ...

Legal sploders are already coming into the marketplace. The new Party Popper operates on a voting system to pay out. Also, a legal sploder would be if it selects and pays in a non-random fashion.

This was discussed here previously - social randomness is still considered chance, so this is also banned.

Don't sploders pay money only to people who contribute? I think the ban is more on devices where you pay but you may not receive money back. With the sploders, you may not get the $20L you put in, but you will get something back... even if its $2L.

If that is the case.. I would say the sploders are still legal... and if they try anything, technically they never said in print that sploders were illegal.

Sploder often = wager, chance, payout.

That's an illegal device.

Some 'sploders pay out to everyone who pays in, and split the proceeds in an uneven and random fashion among them. Others pay out to only part of the participants - You may win thousands of L$, or you may more likely get nothing. And some of both kinds take a cut of all money paid into them, for the owner of the ball.

Personally, If I owned a club I would switch to dance contests and costume contests to give out money and prizes. They are more fun anyway.

As long as the host or owner (house) is not making a percentage off the sploder I think it's ok. I don't even care if all parties that paid in do not get a share of the pot.

Casinos make money because the odds always favor the house. Even something as simple as roulette has 2 green squares, 0 and 00, that move the black/red odds to win less than 50/50. I think the bad casinos, places where the odds of winning and the payouts were only a small percent of the intake spoiled it for the rest of them.

Is gambling really such a bad thing when chruches do it?
BINGO! That's my opinion and I'm gonna keep playin' sploders 'till there gone.

rez them at the beginning of your event

de-rez them at the end of the event.

Hope a linden deosnt show up half way through (very unlikely anyway) and that you have no tattle-tales in your crowd.

You'll be fine.

Im not completely sure but i doubt you'll get your account banned for doing it this way but if you really want to be safe dont take my advice.

There seems to be a popular misconception that the clubs don't take a cut from Sploders. They do/did at most locations. Go to a club that still has them, count the amount that goes in and then add up the payout. In most situations the payout is less.

The club I worked at took a cut and we were never secretive about it. At this point we have scheduled a brainstorming session with everyone involved with the club as well as landowners on the Sim on how to keep paying the tiers without the sploder.

I wouldnt take the advice. As hot as this issue is right now I know for a fact there have been plenty of RA's turned in out there. You'd think people wouldn't care but resentment is a powerful thing....lots of disgruntled club employees and casino employees are turning in those who still have them.

Is it possible...just maybe...that a Linden can clarify if Sploders are legal or not?

It's not asking for much, they are fun to play and pass the time at events.

I don't see why they would be illegal, yes they choose random winners, but everyone wins "something"

I just wish a Linden would post in the blog if they are legal or not, I've seen this asked several times and recieved a reply from one and she said she was waiting to hear more about it.

Can LL make up there minds soon...please?

Again, this is not true. Everyone wins something if that's the way the sploder is set up. How it is set depends on the individual club owner. Only if the "everyone wins" option is selected does everyone win.

As the policy reads now, it is pretty clear to me that sploders are banned.

Yes, thats all we want it shouldent be hard to come up with that answer. I have sent a "support ticket" in to the LL about it as I was told to do by a SL Mentor so I will keep you all posted on it Just Please wish us luck we need all the luck that we can get

the issue is pennies, sploders are pennies, many of the slots were pennies the US gov and feds really didn't see or care .... the real reason for the ban on gaming was the high stake texas hold em tourneys. when your getting into hundreds and thousands of dollers as well as laundring it becomes an issue.

I own a club, my sploder took 10% of the pot to me, but I loaded it with 500-1000L every game at every event, you know what people put in? 5L and when someone would win bug maybe 100L, it paid all that put in at least 6L AND! I could not set it not to take more than 10% or to pay a big pot and leave some losing out. I miss it and so do my customers, but as I have way to much invested in this stupid "game" I must believe until otherwise told by a blog or tos post that its not ok.

and lost about 30,000L on the slots that are now worthless, that I made maybe 1000L a month on but mostly not even 100L as it was just really there for entertainment and a hope for a little L to help cover tier.

Now thats just asking for too much.

Yeah, Lindens only give broad definitions of new blog policies they release and when they don't bother to change the TOS, even though that's more legally binding then an unknown blog.

what is it? I did search- here and there is no mention of it...

Winners are not random but are determined by votes, therefore it is legal.

With the party popper individuals pay into the popper just like the old sploder. The owner determines the amount required to participate and the minimum number of people who participate. For example, let's say the minimum to enter the "contest" as it is called is set at L$15 and the minimum number of people at 5.

As soon as 5 people put their L$15 into the popper it starts counting down. People can continue to enter the "contest" until the popper reaches zero.

This is where the difference begins:

Once the popper hits zero no one else can participate. The counter goes back up and starts counting down again. Each person who put money into the pot will then get a drop down box of everyone else who has donated to the popper. They are to choose who on the list they would like to vote for. Basically, it's a personality contest. They cannot vote for themselves as they are not in their own drop down list.

After everyone has voted, or once the counter finishes the count down the money is distributed based on the number of votes each person receives. The more votes you get the more money you get. If someone entered the contest but did not vote, they do not win anything.

My personal opinion: We have one in the club where I work and I love it. I think it is more fun than the old sploder. Because the winners are determined by votes you can end up getting a lot of interaction and flirting going on. Maybe not a perfect solution but it works for now.