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spinster Voom
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06-28-2009 15:12
From: Paulo Dielli
I'm having a lot of trouble also understanding the new Adult policy. Since English is not my first language I need some clarification too. My situation is this:

- I have a furniture shop on a complete sim.
- My furniture is non-sexuel (only cuddles), so my sim is PG.
- However, in one small corner of the sim I sell sex beds on a seperate land.
- Bed models are displayed, but poseballs are disabled.
- Only one demo bed is fully functional, I've made a seperate closed room for people to try the demo bed. It's on that same seperate land but a little up in the sky.

What should I do, according to the new policy?

1) Can I keep the seperate land as it is now with the one functional bed in the closed demo room, make only that specific land Mature and still keep the complete sim PG?

If that's not allowed:

2) Can I keep the seperate land as it is now with ONLY non-functional beds, get rid of the demo bed, BUT make a sign/billboard with a link to a YouTube video that shows the sex poses with decently dressed avatars? Complete sim and beds land remain PG.


As far as I know, you've never been allowed to sell sex beds on PG at all. Is this your own private region? If so, the first thing you should do is switch the region from PG to Mature. If you are on a mainland PG sim you won't be able to do that so you need to take down the sex beds and look for another parcel of land. Whether this will be allowed on mature or whether it must be on Adult ... sorry, I really don't know, but definitely not on PG.
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Ceka Cianci
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06-28-2009 15:36
From: spinster Voom

Where did you read this bit? Is it in the CS yet, or on the blog? I live in hope :)


well i understand mainland itself..but why would they refer to is as second life mainland?
because zindra also has safe areas on it as well..so i was thinking that it was grouping them as those sections being secondlife mainland..even the safe zones on zindra..

bleh lol

anyways i found that everything mentioned revolved around the search and publicity..
it doesn't count out having it in private ares..

that if regions are land of all sizes and if those regions do not fall under the adult maturity definitions they don't fall under needing to be on adult rated regions..

The Adult designation applies to Second LifeĀ® Regions that host conduct or display content that is sexually explicit or intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use. Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:

i won't list those because the whole point is about not publicly promoting or publicizing..
it is about out of sight private use

the whole Maturity ratings stems on people who supply..not people that do not supply..
people who will have people coming to their land through the search or other ways that they will advertise..

anyways all this is goofy and i wasn't as confused at the start but it just got worse the more i read lol..

the thing is how is someone that is using second life for the first time supposed to understand any of this if it is confusing people that have been around for years here? lol

if they want adult activities only on zindra and only on private island then why are they so confusing about it and only talking about search and advertising in 90% of the changes..and 10% are the things that make ya go hhhhhmmmmm lol
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Daisy Picnic
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06-28-2009 15:40
sorry, i really have no time to scan 20 pages to see if this has been discussed cos its my birthday and i need to get off my trolly, so, do i just submit a ticket in the normal way to request my preffered piece of zindra or is there a seperate process?? this aint been made too clear in the blog. I never submitted a ticket before in my sl life so some help would be appreciated. cheers chuck!
Rhonda Huntress
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06-28-2009 15:50
From: Daisy Picnic
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tl;dr
Ceka Cianci
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06-28-2009 15:50
Daisy this should be all the information you need about land swapping and stuff for zindra..

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spinster Voom
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06-28-2009 15:51
From: Daisy Picnic
sorry, i really have no time to scan 20 pages to see if this has been discussed cos its my birthday and i need to get off my trolly, so, do i just submit a ticket in the normal way to request my preffered piece of zindra or is there a seperate process?? this aint been made too clear in the blog. I never submitted a ticket before in my sl life so some help would be appreciated. cheers chuck!


Happy Birthday! It's my birthday too, in 10 minutes :D

as for your question, um ...

No Idea! (well, I did know but I can't remember, sorry) I just wanted to do the birthday bit.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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06-29-2009 02:36
From: spinster Voom



Correct. A region is another word for a sim, which can be either a mainland sim or a private island (or a sim that is part of a big private estate). It's just an amount of land.




Not quite. The simulator is the program that runs on the server. A region is the *data* that is loaded when it is activated. Regions can change servers each time they boot up. The simulator software is only changed when they upgrade to a new version. Region images are backed up hourly to the big database.

Think of it like Microsoft Word and a word document. One is the software, the other is the data.
Pie Psaltery
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06-29-2009 04:44
From: Ceka Cianci
the thing is how is someone that is using second life for the first time supposed to understand any of this if it is confusing people that have been around for years here? lol

if they want adult activities only on zindra and only on private island then why are they so confusing about it and only talking about search and advertising in 90% of the changes..and 10% are the things that make ya go hhhhhmmmmm lol



Here's my conclusive conspiracy theory (My long time fans would have known this was coming ;) )

They are moving Businesses first. Businesses generally have more tier under their belts and could maybe potential bring a lawsuit for loss-income, etc due to policies that changed after land was purchased and business established. The implication is clear; Businesses mean more to LL then Residents.

They don't want Residents to even worry their little bitty heads over moving because there would be absolutely no way to accommodate ever single resident that would want to relocate.

So at the last minute they change the Community Standards when folks are so numb and bored with the issue that very few will notice and fewer still will care. To late to do much about it now anyway.

So they make a single Linden thread/blog/wiki post that completely contradicts the new Community Standards to coddle folks while the smoke and mirrors are in full effect because one Linden's opinion does NOT make policy and can be dismissed as a misunderstanding of the real policy later on.

Once the businesses are moved and the land barons gobble up the rest of the avaible land so that Residents can PURCHASE MORE LAND (why is it again that I, as a 5+ yr Resident am not allowed to submit a ticket for a free move?), suddenly that AR that contains a screenshot of John and Jane Resident engaged in obviously broadly offensive Adult activities are going to quietly begin to actually result in suspensions or bans for violation of Community Standards.

When some enterprising "journalist" gets a hold of the idea that LL still allows Adult activities on the non-age verified Mainland and the poor children who have lied to get onto the Grid in the first place are still in danger of seeing/engaging in Adult Content, how will LL defend themselves? Will they try to define "in the privacy of their own home" to someone who knows how to alt-cam past walls to get the screenshots they need for their exploitive news article?

Once Zindra is up and running and fully parceled by the land barons I think I will finally get the clarification I want, ie; Official documented policy that tells me in no uncertain terms if I am allowed to engage in Adult activities on the Mature mainland. I can't imagine that that clarification is going to be anything other then a reenforcement of the Community Standards.
Lizz Silverstar
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06-29-2009 07:54
From: Pie Psaltery
Here's my conclusive conspiracy theory (My long time fans would have known this was coming ;) )

They are moving Businesses first. Businesses generally have more tier under their belts and could maybe potential bring a lawsuit for loss-income, etc due to policies that changed after land was purchased and business established. The implication is clear; Businesses mean more to LL then Residents.

They don't want Residents to even worry their little bitty heads over moving because there would be absolutely no way to accommodate ever single resident that would want to relocate.

So at the last minute they change the Community Standards when folks are so numb and bored with the issue that very few will notice and fewer still will care. To late to do much about it now anyway.

So they make a single Linden thread/blog/wiki post that completely contradicts the new Community Standards to coddle folks while the smoke and mirrors are in full effect because one Linden's opinion does NOT make policy and can be dismissed as a misunderstanding of the real policy later on.

Once the businesses are moved and the land barons gobble up the rest of the avaible land so that Residents can PURCHASE MORE LAND (why is it again that I, as a 5+ yr Resident am not allowed to submit a ticket for a free move?), suddenly that AR that contains a screenshot of John and Jane Resident engaged in obviously broadly offensive Adult activities are going to quietly begin to actually result in suspensions or bans for violation of Community Standards.

When some enterprising "journalist" gets a hold of the idea that LL still allows Adult activities on the non-age verified Mainland and the poor children who have lied to get onto the Grid in the first place are still in danger of seeing/engaging in Adult Content, how will LL defend themselves? Will they try to define "in the privacy of their own home" to someone who knows how to alt-cam past walls to get the screenshots they need for their exploitive news article?

Once Zindra is up and running and fully parceled by the land barons I think I will finally get the clarification I want, ie; Official documented policy that tells me in no uncertain terms if I am allowed to engage in Adult activities on the Mature mainland. I can't imagine that that clarification is going to be anything other then a reenforcement of the Community Standards.


^This^
This is exactly what I expect as well. It is really the only thing that makes sense. This is both a money grab and a clean up operation. You can do as you wish on a private sim (flagged Adult) or Super Expensive Zindra land. Any Adult activity on the mainland will be punished.

This is a win-win for LL. More income short term until they land the business clients, and SL is "cleaned up" for the masses.

Sadly I think it is destined for failure. Businesses have no interest in SL, the sim engine yes, but conducting business here is not something I can see most businesses interested in. But by the time LL figures that out SL may be a ghost town.
Ciaran Laval
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06-29-2009 08:49
The unofficial policy is that if your adult content isn't out in the open you should be fine, but if it is in the open and you want to keep it there you will need to buy land on Zindra, you won't get a free swap.
Qie Niangao
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06-29-2009 10:50
From: Pie Psaltery
Here's my conclusive conspiracy theory (My long time fans would have known this was coming ;) ) [...]
I expect pretty much the same outcome, but with less conspiracy involved.

That is, I don't really think LL has it all planned out that they're going to once again reward the fattest flippers. It'll just work out that way when all the other events you outline inevitably happen.

Mind you, it's a close call whether more parsimony applies to the malice aforethought theory. I just have trouble ascribing enough competence to LL's decision makers to be able to pull that off if they tried; they generally have better luck if they just bumble into it.

But countering that is the fact that LL still won't tidy up the extortion parcels owned by Alt-of-Flipper, so who knows?
Ceka Cianci
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06-29-2009 11:26
i think they are gonna adjust it again after they see how zindra runs for a bit..
they still have a lot of regions to put up..
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