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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-23-2009 21:01
From: Milla Janick
But if you live in Canadia, you can see Alaska from your house, right?

LOL.

No, but on clear day, with binoculars, I can see Rochester!

I never use my binoculars on clear days . . . :D
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12-23-2009 21:02
From: Peggy Paperdoll
Canadians are certainly allowed opinions.............but don't expect me to place any importance on those opinions when it comes to the politics of my country. It's the outsider sticking their in our business.........it irritates is all.

And on the politics, Meltita, it's okay for a regular poster to put the title under their forum name that Sara Palin stinks but not okay for me voice my political opinion? I guess that does guarantee any "bickering", huh. :)


Peggy do you not read what I actually say or do you just overreact and misintrepret it one way or the other. I am not sure.

When did I say you can't voice a political opinion? Copy and paste. I also never used the word bickering so why quote it?

(Speaking of forum tags I can't help but notice your self-chosen one?)
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12-23-2009 21:02
From: Peggy Paperdoll
...why is she still so hated?


I think we could ask the same thing about Obama. Why the hatred? Why do Birthers insist he is not a citizen?

Hatred exists on both sides.

Sarah is not the only one to feel the wrath.
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sable Valentine
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12-23-2009 21:02
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fascinating proposal.

(as for things that Sarah did whilst governor I seem to remember something about charging rape victims for evidence collection kits)



Wow!!!! Damn, I hope that is not true. On top of being raped you have to pay for the evidence gathering. :( Damn!!
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12-23-2009 21:03
Would it be misconstrued as argumentative if I pointed out that finding fault in someone's beliefs or opinions (or even questioning their authenticity) does not equal 'hate'?
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-23-2009 21:03
From: Peggy Paperdoll
Canadians are certainly allowed opinions.............but don't expect me to place any importance on those opinions when it comes to the politics of my country. It's the outsider sticking their in our business.........it irritates is all.

Okeeee . . .

So, as an American, you naturally therefore keep YOUR opinions about foreign politics to yourself? Nothing to say, for instance, on developments in Russia, Iran, Iraq, Israel and Palestine, North Korea, China . . . ?
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12-23-2009 21:04
From: Peggy Paperdoll
It's the outsider sticking their in our business.........it irritates is all.

That's a little rich. Then again there's quite a few folk in the environs of Baghdad who would doubtless agree with you on principle.
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12-23-2009 21:04
From: sable Valentine
Wow!!!! Damn, I hope that is not true. On top of being raped you have to pay for the evidence gathering. :( Damn!!


If true - and I do say if - that's an awful policy, I agree. It's bad enough that most kits sit untested for years at a time while perpetrators continue to other victims.

Shows how seriously the crime is taken. More money is spent on private planes for politicians.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-23-2009 21:06
From: Melita Magic
If true - and I do say if - that's an awful policy, I agree. It's bad enough that most kits sit untested for years at a time while perpetrators continue to other victims.

Shows how seriously the crime is taken. More money is spent on private planes for politicians.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/09/18/sarah-palin-and-her-outrageous-rape-kit-policy.html
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12-23-2009 21:13


Thanks Scylla - I don't see where they say she planned to charge rape victims for the kits, though. Just that she fired one guy who wanted the kits as part of the budget. It isn't necessarily the same thing.

I hope the victim in question in that story doesn't read her experience described as "cave of shame," fwiw.
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12-23-2009 21:14
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Okeeee . . .

So, as an American, you naturally therefore keep YOUR opinions about foreign politics to yourself? Nothing to say, for instance, on developments in Russia, Iran, Iraq, Israel and Palestine, North Korea, China . . . ?


Where those opinions do not impact my country or my life I do keep those opinion to myself. When what happens in those places or countries effect or threaten to effect my life I will voice my opinions. However, Sarah Palin is a civilian in this country who has no effect on your country, does not threaten to effect your country in any way.........so your opinions are not welcome in my view. All you are doing to stirring the pot......which you are quite good at. :)
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12-23-2009 21:15
Aw, Scylla didn't deserve that...Palin isn't a civilian, either. She was a governor and she plans to run for President. And history being what it is, she might win.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-23-2009 21:20
From: Melita Magic
Thanks Scylla - I don't see where they say she planned to charge rape victims for the kits, though. Just that she fired one guy who wanted the kits as part of the budget. It isn't necessarily the same thing.

I hope the victim in question in that story doesn't read her experience described as "cave of shame," fwiw.

No, good point. So far as I know, this wasn't part of her platform as an aspiring VP. Rather, it was used (legitimately, I think, particularly as Palin made of her "experience" in local government as Mayor of Wasilla) to demonstrate the sorts of attitudes characteristic of Palin, and as a kind of "predictor" of what might be expected of her were she and McCain elected.

As a politician, of course, she should be accountable for her past political actions and policies.
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12-23-2009 21:24
Think of how much money she could save the citizens of the United States if she were president.

We could almost buy three quarters of another F-22.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-23-2009 21:26
From: Peggy Paperdoll
Where those opinions do not impact my country or my life I do keep those opinion to myself. When what happens in those places or countries effect or threaten to effect my life I will voice my opinions. However, Sarah Palin is a civilian in this country who has no effect on your country, does not threaten to effect your country in any way.........so your opinions are not welcome in my view. All you are doing to stirring the pot......which you are quite good at. :)

Thanks Melita.

Peggy, the impact of American policies -- just about ANY policy -- upon my country is enormous. To some degree, this is actually true of most of the world, but as the US and Canada are each other's most important trading partner and continental ally, it is especially true here. To quote Pierre Trudeau on the subject of Canada's relationship to the US:

"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."

I can assure you that a McCain-Palin win would have had an enormous impact upon my country. I may not have a vote in US politics, but I certainly have a stake.
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12-23-2009 21:27
From: Melita Magic
Aw, Scylla didn't deserve that...Palin isn't a civilian, either. She was a governor and she plans to run for President. And history being what it is, she might win.


Scylla certainly did deserve that.........especailly since Sarah Palin did not win her bid for VP and in no way can effect anything in Canada. Sarah Palin is a civilian.........remember she quit the governorship of Alaska (that makes her free and clear of any elected office). And quote me where Sarah Palin has entered any Presidential race, submitted any document to declare such intentions, or even said she would, might, undecided (anything to back up that statement). And, should she eventually decide to run for President I think it would be too close to call..........depends on who she was up against.

For what it's worth......as it stands right now I would not vote for her. But not because I think she's stupid or some such horse crap. Because I don't think she has the experience. We have an amatuer in that office now.........and look at what's happened in less than a year already. :)
Scylla Rhiadra
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12-23-2009 21:36
From: Peggy Paperdoll
Scylla certainly did deserve that.........especailly since Sarah Palin did not win her bid for VP and in no way can effect anything in Canada. Sarah Palin is a civilian.........remember she quit the governorship of Alaska (that makes her free and clear of any elected office). And quote me where Sarah Palin has entered any Presidential race, submitted any document to declare such intentions, or even said she would, might, undecided (anything to back up that statement). And, should she eventually decide to run for President I think it would be too close to call..........depends on who she was up against.

Peggy, your attitude here is a really strange one. Do you REALLY believe that it is illegitimate to express opinions about the politics, even the internal politics, of a foreign country? So, for instance, it was illegitimate to have and express an opinion about South African apartheid? About the issues surrounding AIDS prevention in Africa? About institutionalized rape in Iran?

What happened to free speech? Or does that not apply across borders?

I am sorry you are irritated, but, even if America's role on the world stage was not so overwhelming, I would still be entirely within my rights to hold and express an opinion about anything, anywhere. And the same, of course, applies to you. (I might note in this regard that the Republicans have not been behind-hand in disseminating misinformation about Canada's health care policies as part of their campaign against Obama's reforms.)
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12-23-2009 21:41
Apparently only United States Citizens are allowed to comment on public figures in some people's worlds. :rolleyes:
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12-23-2009 21:43
Scylla, it's about your apparent hatred for someone that in no way effects you or your country.

That's all.
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12-23-2009 21:45
I was hoping to get a picture of one of the Bush cubes, but the sandboxes are too filled with griefer stuff to stay there. I didn't see any during my brief visit.

The Bush cubes that I remember have a message about "What part of No Selling don't you understand?", or something to that effect.

Compared to the screen filling chat spam things that were in the sandboxes a few minutes ago, the Bush cubes would have been a delight.
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12-23-2009 21:54
From: Peggy Paperdoll
.why is she still so hated?

because she was an annoying stupid failure to begin with, and people keep bringing her up... as if she were some sort of solution... instead of just a dead weight media target too dumb to know when to keep from saying something else inane.

From: sable Valentine
Wow!!!! Damn, I hope that is not true. On top of being raped you have to pay for the evidence gathering. :( Damn!!

there's tons of very specific information on the topic all over the net, including specific knowledge and involvement. even on accident it would mean she isn't competent in hiring staff intelligent enough to spot such things, and it's just one example of really bad decision making.

@Dislike of extra-national political figures
I'm worried when any countries people get behind a politician that COULD have an effect on my country... you betcha... (that, and pretending someone isn't an idiot, just makes you one)
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-23-2009 22:05
From: Peggy Paperdoll
Scylla, it's about your apparent hatred for someone that in no way effects you or your country.

That's all.

The very fact that Sarah Palin is part of political discourse -- here and everywhere -- means that she is "having an effect" on your country, my country, and just about any nation where America has influence. And there is an (outside) chance that she might one day have a very big impact indeed.

When you see me actively campaigning for one side or another during an American election, you can complain. Otherwise, I'm afraid I reserve my right to hold and express opinions.
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12-23-2009 22:26
From: Peggy Paperdoll
However, Sarah Palin is a civilian in this country who has no effect on your country, does not threaten to effect your country in any way.........so your opinions are not welcome in my view.


Geeze. Ugly American lately?
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12-24-2009 02:01
As an American citizen living in Canada, I reserve the right to an opinion on politics of The Superpower. I vote, and (God knows) pay taxes to our smaller, more populous neighbour to the south.

As a Forums poster, however, I reserve the right to keep those opinions to myself. :cool:
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12-24-2009 02:53
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As a Forums poster, however, I reserve the right to keep those opinions to myself. :cool:


I approve of what you say, and I will defend to death (your death and the deaths of your family) your right to say it.

*high five* :)
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