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Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
08-08-2008 13:24
From: Colette Meiji
I actually am not bothered by people reposting (UNEDITED) chat logs of the things I say publicly.

But I am opposed to people recording and reposting what other people say on principle.

It ignores what I feel is a fundamental right to know that you are being monitored/recorded when it is happening.


Well, that was my point, really. You ARE *always* being recorded/monitored. By LL, by me (for anything I can hear), by others. My point is that it should be a default assumption, and it is much safer to speak from that position, since you know you have to control your speech about things which should remain confidential. I think that is a particularly bad problem as well. People feel "emboldened" to blurt out just about anything in public that REALLY should be kept in private, or to themselves. :-/
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
08-08-2008 13:29
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Pserendipity Daniels
stupidity=own punishment


QED :p
Rhaorth Antonelli
Registered User
Join date: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 7,425
08-08-2008 13:52
From: Yosef Okelly
RHA!!!

Hi you. And welcome home.


Or did I miss a post somewhee else earlier :o


Hi yosef, thanks
not sure how much I will be around but, I am kinda sorta here
(also posted in the sales thread, these are the only 2)
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Marianne Little
A hopeless fool
Join date: 14 Aug 2007
Posts: 645
08-08-2008 14:28
I can say that I had no background from WoW, roleplay or online chatrooms before I started playing SL a year ago. I was much more wide-eyed and enthusiastic about SL in the start. Now I see much more negative things about it. Maybe I’ve grown older and more cynical?

If I see an “ugly” woman in a shop, I look another way and forget her. I don’t think: “Oh I have to take a picture of her and put it in my blog”. ( I don’t have a blog) Maybe it’s been like this all the years SL has existed, and I just notice it now?

If I read a chat where a person is very rude, I still think that he/she don’t deserve to be put out public. My sympathy goes to the offender, not the one who has posted the chat. Because I think to put out something that has been spoken in anger, or could have been worded better, is a much higher offence. It is the principle. I have read just once that the offender was told that this was going to be posted. And he said OK, do it. What if he said: “No, this wasn’t meant to be public!” I think that the blogger in that case was so responsible that she would have edited out his name. But I doubt that all would have done it, especially if it was a personal vendetta.

I very, very rarely copy down my conversations with other residents. We are *always* recorded/monitored but do we think about it all the time? I know I don’t. And the first 9 months of SL, I thought that the TOS was a protection not only in SL official forums, but also respected in other forums. In my mind, I read SL forums = forums about Second Life.

And still, I have managed well enough. I have just minor regrets to what I’ve done and said this year. The best thing I can do is to just quit reading the stuff that bothers me, including blogs. If I should answer my own question, I would say that I think about it sometimes, and worry about it a few times, but not often. Those who know me well wouldn’t do it to me, and it’s them that matter.
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Welleran Kanto
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Join date: 15 Mar 2008
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08-08-2008 14:50
I'm still new enough to SL to consider myself a newbie, but I've been around on the Internet for many years, and I am sure I will never forget that everything I'm doing, typing, saying, etc. can and probably is being logged somewhere. I think about what I would want others to see. I don't worry about it, because I came to the conclusion, long ago, that it's a fact of life with which I must deal. I adopted new habits, and changed old ones.

The possibility I might be logged doesn't chill my activities in Second Life, because that realization already happened, for me, many years ago. Such a concern is not something unique to Second Life.

BTW, thank you for explaining your use of the term "WASP". I was interested to see that some say the word is used differently to the way it's used in my English-speaking culture. Still, it felt offensive, because I know what it means *here*, where I'm sitting. I have never encountered any use of it that was not ethnically or religiously specific. I appreciate your taking the time to explain your use of that word.
Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
08-08-2008 14:50
From: Kathy Morellet
/me adds Pserendipity to her ignore list and goes back to lurking.


/me is so distraught at this and the other emotionally based and logically inconsistent criticisms he considers sl suicide

Pep (Not for long though)
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AfroduckFromPC Brim
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Join date: 18 Apr 2008
Posts: 133
08-08-2008 15:10
wat
Cal Kondo
Low impact
Join date: 7 Oct 2006
Posts: 143
08-08-2008 16:25
From: AfroduckFromPC Brim
wat


Don't you mean "wot". Please learn to spoken right.


Cal (Attempts to change the world through an Internet forum)
Cee Edman
The Dude Abides
Join date: 2 Oct 2007
Posts: 283
08-09-2008 12:12
From: Marianne Little

I used the term WASP in a negative way. And I meant White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant
"Beyond the English-speaking world, the term is sometimes used in a metaphorical sense, to refer to perceived elite social groups."

I thought that this was a common use in many countries, and I apologise if this has offended someone.



If it helps, probably the most common idiom for what you intended would have been "blue stocking" in the 19th and early 20th Century, but today, "tight-ass prude" serves well.
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PennyWhistle Cameron
Velocity Girl
Join date: 28 Jun 2006
Posts: 178
08-09-2008 12:22
I don't know if this has been said before, so I apologize in advance if it has. I never ever make any mention of a Non English Speaker as s First Languages struggle with English. I always figure they speak English better than I do German, Dutch, French or Swahili.

I won't say that Persnicketty is arrogant or full of himself, because I suspect someone with his proclivity for oration, writhes in pleasure upon being called such things. I will say that he's good for a laugh as people who perpetually have their own heads up their own behinds often are.
Kira Cuddihy
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Join date: 29 Nov 2006
Posts: 1,375
08-09-2008 12:41
From: Yosef Okelly
Oh, I did not mean it as a jab. Along with the OED there is now the OAD.

/me gets out her sword, stepping in front of Yosef to protect him. No one pounces on my sweet Yosef or I will have to pull out all of my nuclear devices.

It's the weekend, time to have some fun and let dead dogs lie.
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Gita Burger
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Join date: 16 Jun 2008
Posts: 64
08-09-2008 13:02
Question: Can someone else read thru my IM chat logs?

I don't even know myself where to find it, so how could someone I didn't talk to find them?
Kira Cuddihy
Registered User
Join date: 29 Nov 2006
Posts: 1,375
08-09-2008 14:06
From: Gita Burger
Question: Can someone else read thru my IM chat logs?

I don't even know myself where to find it, so how could someone I didn't talk to find them?

no, your IM chat is saved on your hard drive. If they are in the same sim and close to you they can however read your local chat right there and it can also be saved to their hard drive. You need to have them check marked in edit, preference to save them though. If you go there it will show you the path to them.
(can't remember which tab it is, someone will probably tell you soon)
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Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 3,688
08-10-2008 09:48
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
not sure if anyone mentioned it but chat logs are garbage
it is too easy to edit them.

when I see a chat log (either posted here or elsewhere) I take it with a grain of salt, because it could be edited to the point of where it is no longer even close to the actual discussion that took place


QFT!

And - with Photoshop and all the other image editing programs out there, screen shots can be edited as well.
Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 3,688
08-10-2008 09:57
From: Welleran Kanto

BTW, thank you for explaining your use of the term "WASP". I was interested to see that some say the word is used differently to the way it's used in my English-speaking culture. Still, it felt offensive, because I know what it means *here*, where I'm sitting. I have never encountered any use of it that was not ethnically or religiously specific. I appreciate your taking the time to explain your use of that word.


Same here. (I did not realize the OP was not a native English speaker - so on that point, your English is excellent from where I stand! (Hear that, Pep?)

WASP as it is generally used in America simply means "White Anglo Saxon Protestant" with no connotation, negative or positive surrounding it. It is what one may be. Such as one may be an African-American - nothing positive or negative surrounding it.

I had never seen seen the term used in a negative sense, so was puzzled as to why one would think an entire race/religious persuasion of people were shocked about something.

No offense taken and question answered. :)
Darion Rasmuson
Norsky
Join date: 21 Dec 2007
Posts: 431
08-10-2008 10:56
From: Marianne Little

Here, SL provides us with cut and paste conversation in a sec, and download pictures to harddisk without a sound or gesture.

It's easy to feel that SL chat is like chat in RL, and who can go around and constantly mind what they are typing/saying?

Do you go around and think about it?

No, I do not. As a general rule I try not to say things that I would be concerned about others reading (the exception would be conversations with my boyfriend). Before SL I spent most of my time on various forums, always bearing in mind that my words would be available to pretty much anyone at any time. I guess I feel the same way about my words in SL. Could someone make my SL a pain by using my words against me somehow? Probably. But I'll cross that bridge if I ever get to it.

I log chat myself. Usually when I have to open a log it is because I forgot something I was told, and need the information.

As for the fashion police.. I am guilty of reading such blogs and grinning evilly at the atrocities posted. I am also fully aware that I might find myself there at any time. Whether I'll be grinning as much then remains to be seen. :o
Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
08-10-2008 13:26
I like arguments.
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Annabelle Babii
Unholier than thou
Join date: 2 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,797
08-10-2008 15:40
From: Jig Chippewa
I like arguments.



No you don't.
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Gabriele Graves
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Join date: 23 Apr 2007
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08-10-2008 15:50
From: Welleran Kanto
BTW, thank you for explaining your use of the term "WASP". I was interested to see that some say the word is used differently to the way it's used in my English-speaking culture. Still, it felt offensive, because I know what it means *here*, where I'm sitting. I have never encountered any use of it that was not ethnically or religiously specific. I appreciate your taking the time to explain your use of that word.
I had never heard this term before now and must admit it is not something I would choose to use now that I know of it either.

I am fluent in typonese so the OP post whilst a little challenging at times was also mostly understandable :)

On topic: I save all chat and IM to logs using the built in feature. I never use this for any other purposes other than to pick out useful bits of info such as interesting places, trying to see where and how something went wrong in a dispute and because in roleplay which is most of my SL background it is common practice to swap chat logs of interesting scenes around for enjoyment and so that your character can relate to another quickly what has been discussed previously.
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