Hi.
I've been in SL a year now, and the increase of blogs and forums related to SL makes it very easy for anyone to take it out on a person or person(s) they've had a problem with.
Often the person(s) beeing slandered react with shock and point to the TOS.
"Disclosure
Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums."
First time I read this, I thought it was some protection in it for me. However, this isn't valid in any of the 100 000 blogs about SL or 1000 forums about SL. There's no way to deal with it, and no help from LL. This isn't worth anything outside SL and offical SL forums.
In RL, we could technically be taped by someone using their cellphone or taking pictures. But it would only work on close distance and the person wanting to do so had to spend money and time during so (buying camera/spyware). He/she could also be punished if someone for instance took pictures in the gym wardrobe.
Here, SL provides us with cut and paste conversation in a sec, and download pictures to harddisk without a sound or gesture.
It's easy to feel that SL chat is like chat in RL, and who can go around and constantly mind what they are typing/saying?
Do you go around and think about it?
I must admit that it makes me more alert doing roleplay, because it's clear that chat can be used to say if RP was valid or not, but it's also more and more common to take it out of SL, to get revenge or someone typing a response: "Of course you are right. He's wrong".
I have started taking pictures in SL instead. Often I need to edit hair and prim clothing if I for instance are crotching on top of a cliff. I then rotate hair so it don't fall through my chest. It can look awful while standing, but natural in the pose. Then I suddenly think that I should go and buy something I've seen in a shop. With the "fashion police" blog lurkers around, I have been more concious about my appearance. I can't go anyway public in my outfit from a photo anymore.
Wasn't it more "free" in SL a few years ago? Not so many WASP's who faint if they see a female avatar shopping in lingerie, or showing a bald spot on the head. It's pixels!
Now that I enter year 2 in SL, I think that this is some of the things that's changed my view on SL this year. "Your world, as long as you do what I like" seem to be the mindset.
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Marianne Little
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08-08-2008 01:03
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Joseph Worthington
The Suntan Mega-Man
Join date: 29 Jul 2006
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08-08-2008 01:13
Honestly I don't think about it much. I'll admit, I'm one of the ones who used to notecard everything and constantly have chat logs turned on, and yes the things I used to natecard were mostly arguments and whatnot I had with other residents, but I didn't go about passing them around...they were there for me to review and see what had gone wrong and where everything had gotten fouled up.
Chat logs I truly enjoy because someone will often tell me the name of a store or sim or place or person and I'll forget it..but can trace back through the logs to find. Plus to be totally honest...I'm just a bit anal like that. When something goes wrong and winds up being because of a misunderstanding, I do enjoy being able to go back and see who said what about the matter....even if it turns out I'm the one behind the snafu. So I see nothing wrong with logging chat and making note cards of certain things, so long as the Disclosure rules are followed and nothing is done with that has been said to maliciously hurt another avatar/person. _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
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08-08-2008 01:14
Hi. I've been in SL a year now, and the increase of blogs and forums related to SL makes it very easy for anyone to take it out on a person or person(s) they've had a problem with. Often the person(s) beeing slandered react with shock and point to the TOS. "Disclosure Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums." First time I read this, I thought it was some protection in it for me. However, this isn't valid in any of the 100 000 blogs about SL or 1000 forums about SL. There's no way to deal with it, and no help from LL. This isn't worth anything outside SL and offical SL forums. In RL, we could technically be taped by someone using their cellphone or taking pictures. But it would only work on close distance and the person wanting to do so had to spend money and time during so (buying camera/spyware). He/she could also be punished if someone for instance took pictures in the gym wardrobe. Here, SL provides us with cut and paste conversation in a sec, and download pictures to harddisk without a sound or gesture. It's easy to feel that SL chat is like chat in RL, and who can go around and constantly mind what they are typing/saying? Do you go around and think about it? I must admit that it makes me more alert doing roleplay, because it's clear that chat can be used to say if RP was valid or not, but it's also more and more common to take it out of SL, to get revenge or someone typing a response: "Of course you are right. He's wrong". I have started taking pictures in SL instead. Often I need to edit hair and prim clothing if I for instance are crotching on top of a cliff. I then rotate hair so it don't fall through my chest. It can look awful while standing, but natural in the pose. Then I suddenly think that I should go and buy something I've seen in a shop. With the "fashion police" blog lurkers around, I have been more concious about my appearance. I can't go anyway public in my outfit from a photo anymore. Wasn't it more "free" in SL a few years ago? Not so many WASP's who faint if they see a female avatar shopping in lingerie, or showing a bald spot on the head. It's pixels! Now that I enter year 2 in SL, I think that this is some of the things that's changed my view on SL this year. "Your world, as long as you do what I like" seem to be the mindset. I have been here almost two years now and I am still unable, without undue (and usually wasted) effort, to distinguish between posters for whom English is a first language, but who are intellectually unable to express themselves, and those whose English as a second language is probably adequate to go shopping, but is inadequate to express effectively arguments or concepts of any complexity or subtlety. Pep (Like an Abba song's lyrics; grammatically correct but lacking in discernible content) _____________________
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Oryx Tempel
Registered User
Join date: 8 Nov 2006
Posts: 7,663
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08-08-2008 01:39
Do you go around and think about it? I must admit that it makes me more alert doing roleplay, because it's clear that chat can be used to say if RP was valid or not, but it's also more and more common to take it out of SL, to get revenge or someone typing a response: "Of course you are right. He's wrong". I do now. Never used to. Once bitten, twice shy. _____________________
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
Owner, The Mall at Cherry
Join date: 18 Jun 2007
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08-08-2008 06:15
I have been here almost two years now and I am still unable, without undue (and usually wasted) effort, to distinguish between posters for whom English is a first language, but who are intellectually unable to express themselves, and those whose English as a second language is probably adequate to go shopping, but is inadequate to express effectively arguments or concepts of any complexity or subtlety. Pep (Like an Abba song's lyrics; grammatically correct but lacking in discernible content) [derailment] Pep, I just have to tell you how much I enjoy your signatures. They always make me smile. [/derailment] _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
Un United Avatar
Join date: 10 Jan 2007
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08-08-2008 06:39
I don't worry about any of that stuff. If I need to, then there is no point in being in SL.
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Raudf Fox
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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08-08-2008 07:59
Since my mother's insane advice never covered dealing with things other people say in a legal way, I developed my own:
I don't respect you enough to let what you say effect me. I've learned that some people need to tear others down to feel good about themselves. When you pretty much ignore them, they get more ticked off, but they really can't do anything about it, because to you, they don't exist. Sadly, there is a side-effect to this policy and if the person is already unstable, they might become a stalker. *shrugs* _____________________
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Yosef Okelly
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 26 Aug 2007
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08-08-2008 08:20
I never think about it.
For one, I try not to say anything about a person I could not tell them directly. It's a crossover habit from RL leasons learned the hard way. It's also kin to the third rule of 'chatting up women': never make negative statements. (#1 is active listening, #2 is make "me too" statements -- but that's something different altogether ) And more importantly, I have a bullet proof ego  If some would be fashion nazi took a shot a me, it would mean as much to me as that blurb in my High School "permanent record" about wrapping everything in the vice-principal's office with tinfoil. Yeah, it's going to follow me forever. Whatever. On the other hand, if Marianne Little told me in IM that my clothes didn't match, I would take her comments seriously. There are a lot of attention whores out there. I'm one of them. I have just found better ways to get it than ridiculeing those around me. _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
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08-08-2008 08:43
snip . . . It's also kin to the third rule of 'chatting up women': never make negative statements. (#1 is active listening, #2 is make "me too" statements -- but that's something different altogether ) . . . snip Thanks for the pointers Yosef - i see where I have been going wrong now! #1 I actively listen, waiting for women to stop talking so I can get a word in edgeways #2 I try to say that I enjoy shopping for shoes and clothing that seems to cost more the less material there is involved in its construction . . .but it comes out sounding so false! #3 I am always POSITIVE their bums look big in that snip . . . And more importantly, I have a bullet proof ego . . . snipPep (Bullet proof body armour needed as well) _____________________
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Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 3,688
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08-08-2008 08:48
Not so many WASP's who faint if they see a female avatar shopping in lingerie, or showing a bald spot on the head. It's pixels! If by "WASP" - you mean White Anglo Saxon Protestant - you are using that in a somewhat negative connotation. And what exactly makes you think it is just one segment of the SL population (WASPs by your account) that are doing this? _____________________
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sable Valentine
AU United
Join date: 30 Apr 2006
Posts: 1,275
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08-08-2008 08:57
Wasn't it more "free" in SL a few years ago? Not so many WASP's who faint if they see a female avatar shopping in lingerie, or showing a bald spot on the head. It's pixels! /me now starts to second guess myself for shopping/buying those paintings in my elmo pajamas _____________________
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Jodina Patton
Registered User
Join date: 19 Nov 2005
Posts: 170
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08-08-2008 09:00
"Disclosure Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums." First time I read this, I thought it was some protection in it for me. However, this isn't valid in any of the 100 000 blogs about SL or 1000 forums about SL. There's no way to deal with it, and no help from LL. This isn't worth anything outside SL and offical SL forums. This is why you don't give out your RL information over the internet in any venue. You may want to limit your deviant behavior to non-public areas so your avatars pic doesn't end up in some blog somewhere with your SL name plastered all over it saying IM this slut she wants it! Unless you do, then go to town! Your privacy level is up to you and the amount of info you want to give out. |
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Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
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08-08-2008 09:07
Do you go around and think about it? No. I say what I mean, I mean what I say, and I am consistent in my words no matter whom I am speaking with. If I err in my words, I expect to be taken to task for it. If it is something of a confidential nature, then I explicitly notify any parties to the conversation of the sensitive nature of the material, and only disclose said material to people I can trust to honor that request. Chat logging, public reposting, etc, doesn't bother me a bit. Most often, I SAID it in public, so I expect that it is more than fair to record it for posterity. If you or anyone has issues with being logged or recorded, then I suggest reserving your words accordingly. This is an electronic medium, and logging is a given. It's not quite like RL, where you have to go out of your way to record a conversation. |
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Brann Georgia
Spits infinitives
Join date: 12 Dec 2007
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08-08-2008 09:11
I have been here almost two years now and I am still unable, without undue (and usually wasted) effort, to distinguish between posters for whom English is a first language, but who are intellectually unable to express themselves, and those whose English as a second language is probably adequate to go shopping, but is inadequate to express effectively arguments or concepts of any complexity or subtlety. Sooo.... what is your point? You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about people whose writing style does not live up to your standards. Are you saying that someone whose grip on the language isn't up to par should stick to shopping instead of trying to communicate more complex issues? As someone to whom English is a second (well, third) language, I am finding this just a tad on the snobbish side. Had I not jumped into the fray, relying on my peers to guide me, I'd still be trying to figure out why Americans measure everything in footballfield lengths. And I probably used WASP in the wrong context, too. You can't just rely on a dictionary to find your way through a new language. I might suggest that, if you are having trouble deciphering a message, you just assume that it is, in fact, a non-English speaking person instead of disparaging them for their efforts (I won't even go into problems with dyslexia - an entirely different issue). Obviously, a number of other people here are willing and able to help the OP. As with that last survey, your post did nothing to help this thread and only serves to discourage some members of this group from posting their thoughts without fear of being embarrassed. B. _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-08-2008 09:53
snip . . . serves to discourage some members of this group from posting their thoughts without fear of being embarrassed. In the end you nearly got there Brann. I am quite happy to discourage people from posting their thoughts without taking the time to convert them as well as possible into comprehensible English, which like it or not, is the language of the Forums (or Fora if you are really picky). If people can not be bothered to take more than the bare minimum of time and care about presenting their questions in a comprehensible fashion (I am less concerned about the responses) then why should they expect enthusiastic assistance? I could barely comprehend what the OP's question or questions were in this thread without reading through her text three or four times; the survey to which you refer should not even have been posted in this section of the Forums, and was a joke in terms of being "academic". I won't even mention the recent thread about "guns"! Pep (Perhaps you would understand the point and nuances of my arguments better if English WAS your first language; then I would not have to take time to explain it further) _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
Lady of the House
Join date: 4 Dec 2006
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08-08-2008 09:57
The OP wasn't that hard to read.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-08-2008 10:13
The OP wasn't that hard to read. if I for instance are crotching on top of a cliff. Yeah! Right! Pep ("I wonder what those little red underlines are for?"  _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
Lady of the House
Join date: 4 Dec 2006
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08-08-2008 10:15
Whatever, Pep, the point is that you may have had some difficulty but just about everyone else understood the post just fine. This exchange says more about you in this instance than the OP.
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Brann Georgia
Spits infinitives
Join date: 12 Dec 2007
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08-08-2008 10:15
I am quite happy to discourage people.... If people can not be bothered to take more than the bare minimum of time and care about presenting their questions.... why should they expect enthusiastic assistance? You are invited to ignore any and all threads that offend your personal sensitivities or that take up too many of the hours that you spend here. Those of us who are willing to actually help people will be able to manage without the benefit of your input, a hardship as it may be. Those of us who have had to learn a new language understand that sometimes you don't KNOW that your sentences are misconstructed. While it is very helpful to receive politely worded information on how to communicate a concept more succinctly, to be told to stick to shopping is outrageous, if not outright racist. I have seen you reply with far less venom to far more poorly structured posts in other threads. This forum (or fora, if you will) is not about discouraging people. _____________________
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Kelli May
karmakanic
Join date: 7 Oct 2006
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08-08-2008 10:20
I never worried about what goes in my chat log or anyone else's. What exactly do they prove?
[2008/06/16 15:25] You: I've got plenty of excuses... it's miles to the nearest sports hall [2008/06/16 15:25] You: I'm really running out of excuses... there's a sports hall right across the road from me Which of those quotes was from my chat log? Both? Neither? _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
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Join date: 21 Dec 2006
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08-08-2008 10:20
snip . . .Those of us who have had to learn a new language understand that sometimes you don't KNOW that your sentences are misconstructed. . . snip What on earth makes you think that I have not "had to learn a new language"? Pep (I just don't waste others' valuable time asking questions in that second language) _____________________
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Brann Georgia
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08-08-2008 10:22
What on earth makes you think that I have not "had to learn a new language"? Your post! B. _____________________
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Mickey Vandeverre
See you Inworld
Join date: 7 Dec 2006
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08-08-2008 10:27
Pep (Perhaps you would understand the point and nuances of my arguments better if English WAS your first language; then I would not have to take time to explain it further) No.....I don't understand your point at all..... .....and English is my first language. I understood the OP's question just fine. Feel free to critique my grammar....but just of the opinion......that it's much more meaningful to present a thoughtful comment with less than perfect grammar.....then to present a thoughtless comment with perfect grammar. |
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-08-2008 10:28
Your post! B. Again you are wrong. Pep (And your argument would fail anyway due to its brevity, lack of cogency and failure to reference anything specific in the way of supporting evidence) _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-08-2008 10:31
No.....I don't understand your point at all..... .....and English is my first language. I understood the OP's question just fine. Feel free to critique my grammar....but just of the opinion......that it's much more meaningful to present a thoughtful comment with less than perfect grammar.....then to present a thoughtless comment with perfect grammar. Pardon? Pep (QED) _____________________
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