it's much more meaningful to present a thoughtful comment with less than perfect grammar.....then to present a thoughtless comment with perfect grammar.
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Brann Georgia
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08-08-2008 10:39
it's much more meaningful to present a thoughtful comment with less than perfect grammar.....then to present a thoughtless comment with perfect grammar. QFT _____________________
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Mickey Vandeverre
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08-08-2008 10:42
Pardon? Pep (QED) I think anyone with the slightest grasp of the English language can interpret that just fine. |
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Colette Meiji
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08-08-2008 10:46
No. I say what I mean, I mean what I say, and I am consistent in my words no matter whom I am speaking with. If I err in my words, I expect to be taken to task for it. If it is something of a confidential nature, then I explicitly notify any parties to the conversation of the sensitive nature of the material, and only disclose said material to people I can trust to honor that request. Chat logging, public reposting, etc, doesn't bother me a bit. Most often, I SAID it in public, so I expect that it is more than fair to record it for posterity. If you or anyone has issues with being logged or recorded, then I suggest reserving your words accordingly. This is an electronic medium, and logging is a given. It's not quite like RL, where you have to go out of your way to record a conversation. I actually am not bothered by people reposting (UNEDITED) chat logs of the things I say publicly. But I am opposed to people recording and reposting what other people say on principle. It ignores what I feel is a fundamental right to know that you are being monitored/recorded when it is happening. |
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-08-2008 10:47
I think anyone with the slightest grasp of the English language can interpret that just fine. QED - if all you have is "the slightest grasp" that doesn't include me _____________________
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Brann Georgia
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08-08-2008 10:47
Pep (And your argument would fail anyway due to its brevity, lack of cogency and failure to reference anything specific in the way of supporting evidence) Look, I know you're trying to impress people with your erudition, and I'm sorry if that doesn't seem to get you very far in this case. The point is that your treatment of the OP is uncalled for. Your insistence that 'those people' should not express themselves unless they meet your standards is arrogant, elitist and contrary to the intent of these forums. If you don't want to spend time helping them, just DON'T. _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-08-2008 11:08
Look, I know you're trying to impress people with your erudition, and I'm sorry if that doesn't seem to get you very far in this case. The point is that your treatment of the OP is uncalled for. Your insistence that 'those people' should not express themselves unless they meet your standards is arrogant, elitist and contrary to the intent of these forums. If you don't want to spend time helping them, just DON'T. I would be happy to ignore such posts, but because it can take so long to get to the nitty-gritty of such questions ("why won't my computer run SL any more?) they tend to push well constructed queries generating more worthy threads off the front page, resulting in a dumbing down of the Forums, driving intelligent discussion of interesting questions into obscurity. Pep (Perhaps there should be a "English as a second language" subsection of the "International" section of the Forums) _____________________
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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08-08-2008 11:11
not sure if anyone mentioned it but chat logs are garbage
it is too easy to edit them. when I see a chat log (either posted here or elsewhere) I take it with a grain of salt, because it could be edited to the point of where it is no longer even close to the actual discussion that took place _____________________
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Yosef Okelly
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08-08-2008 11:13
I could barely comprehend what the OP's question or questions were in this thread without reading through her text three or four times; I understood it just fine. But then I speak American, not English. _____________________
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Yosef Okelly
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08-08-2008 11:15
Again you are wrong. Pep (And your argument would fail anyway due to its brevity, lack of cogency and failure to reference anything specific in the way of supporting evidence) Wow, you know what she thinks too? I'm amazed! _____________________
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Yosef Okelly
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08-08-2008 11:18
not sure if anyone mentioned it but chat logs are garbage it is too easy to edit them. when I see a chat log (either posted here or elsewhere) I take it with a grain of salt, because it could be edited to the point of where it is no longer even close to the actual discussion that took place RHA!!! Hi you. And welcome home. Or did I miss a post somewhee else earlier ![]() _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
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08-08-2008 11:19
The only one who had any difficulty understanding her post is you. See the common denominator?
Everyone else understood the context of what she put together, and glossed over the one or two grammatical errors. You, for whatever reason, had a tougher time. That's no reason to be smarmy about it when it makes you look like the slow one. _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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08-08-2008 11:20
We're talking about this thread, right? I understood it just fine. But then I speak American, not English. There was no need for that ![]() |
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Ciaran Laval
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08-08-2008 11:22
I actually am not bothered by people reposting (UNEDITED) chat logs of the things I say publicly. But I am opposed to people recording and reposting what other people say on principle. I pretty much agree with this, just because people can repost chat logs doesn't mean they should, there's a principle at stake. I have never complained about chat logs being reposted where I'm involved, I just think it's bad form not to tell people you're going to do it. |
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-08-2008 11:23
Wow, you know what she thinks too? I'm amazed! I am working on the full text of her argument being "Your post" Pep (Not a clue what she thinks, in any language) _____________________
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Lexxi Gynoid
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08-08-2008 11:30
Sooo.... what is your point? You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about people whose writing style does not live up to your standards. Are you saying that someone whose grip on the language isn't up to par should stick to shopping instead of trying to communicate more complex issues? Which is especially ironic because I can never tell what Pserendipity Daniels is trying to say. Oh well. _____________________
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Yosef Okelly
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08-08-2008 11:31
I'm sure you must have a field day on my posts.
meh It's part of the bullet proof ego I mentioned earlier. If i need gramatical percision, I get my secratary to do it. Personally i have more productive things to do with my time. Like flirting and hiting on the women. Much more important. Oh ... see above about "never say anything negative." Negative responces make the giver seem negative; not the recipient. It ain't logical, but that's the way it works. Just saying. _____________________
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Lexxi Gynoid
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08-08-2008 11:32
Whatever, Pep, the point is that you may have had some difficulty but just about everyone else understood the post just fine. This exchange says more about you in this instance than the OP. I agree strongly. Pserendipity seems to be looking for things to complain about. Again it is ironic considering that I can never figure out what he is trying to say. _____________________
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Kathy Morellet
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08-08-2008 11:40
/me adds Pserendipity to her ignore list and goes back to lurking.
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Yosef Okelly
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08-08-2008 11:47
Oh, hey. It must be Friday ...
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Marianne Little
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08-08-2008 11:49
My reason to post this here was that I think it's more and more common to post chat logs in blogs and forums. And if others have noticed it and/or thought that this is a negative thing. That was my question.
English isn't my first language, and I can do better. That's true, I'm not perfect and I admit that. Someone suggested that it's our own responsibility to not say or give out information that other's can hear. That's a very honourable way of seeing things. I haven't had trouble with my own words used against me (..Yet). I can have a bad day and blow up, and if that was the only thing posted about me, I would not like it. I think it's few who realise that what they say in the company of 1-5 people (random number) can be posted and read of 500. I used the term WASP in a negative way. And I meant White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant "Beyond the English-speaking world, the term is sometimes used in a metaphorical sense, to refer to perceived elite social groups." I thought that this was a common use in many countries, and I apologise if this has offended someone. _____________________
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Yosef Okelly
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08-08-2008 12:02
There was no need for that ![]() Oh, I did not mean it as a jab. Along with the OED there is now the OAD. ![]() I think it is offically a dialect now. _____________________
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Amaranthim Talon
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08-08-2008 12:17
Marianne- regarding your original question- yes I saw the question- it was do we - her audience - guard our speech knowing we could be recorded and our words taken out of context.
Personally, I log everything- not to hold over anyone- but because my mind is a sieve especially after a drink or two or three- and it makes for good reference - aside from that, I do try to be mindful of what I say- not because I fear it will be used against me but because words are all we have to carry our meaning in this media. We do not have the benefit of body language or facial expressions to convey what we really meant. Therefore, our words are us- and how they are received is how we are perceived. Granted, I am not responsible for how you interpret my words, but I am responsible to be clear in my expression of them- there should also be an open door for additional discussion should the meaning not be clear. Of course, this has rambled way passed your original question. To pointedly answer that- no- I am not afraid of having my words turned- those that know me know me- I have been known to be overly sensitive, loud and damn arrogant at times- I also know when I put my foot in it up to my shoulder and have no problem saying I was wrong. To you, I would advise, that you do carefully choose your words if the content may cause harm- obviously we all know what dangers there can be in dealing through such an impersonal media. Too, RL information should be guarded. I do not choose to be as vigilant with that as some would be- I share my RL info with those I deem close to me and up to now at least, have not had cause to regret it (once I thought I had, but was thankfully mistaken). Be well. {Edited to clarify I have had no regrets re the sharing of RL information- the first posting sounded as if now I do.} _____________________
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08-08-2008 12:23
... I used the term WASP in a negative way. And I meant White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant][url=[url="[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant[/url]"][url=]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant[/url]"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant "Beyond the English-speaking world, the term is sometimes used in a metaphorical sense, to refer to perceived elite social groups." I thought that this was a common use in many countries, and I apologise if this has offended someone. _____________________
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Darien Caldwell
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08-08-2008 12:44
Sure, think about it. Worry about it, no.
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Maggie McArdle
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08-08-2008 13:11
i dont worry about what i say, and what others say. as brenda stated, if i need to chat log every conversation i have, then why am i here?(paraphrased) lifes too short to be that paranoid
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