Waterhead - Linden Village

Actually it's that gang mentality that keeps them going. They have an audience. Most would be just ignored and brushed off, or given more shit back at them then they could handle if they went out into the world. Most are just pitiful basement dwellers, who don't have anything better to do with themselves.

Any new person you come across, feel free to refer them to our hangout in Allana, if you want a LM let me know in world, I'll be on in a bit. You can refer them to me or Chris if they would like to join the group as well. They can set their Home location there, we have a little skybox with changing rooms, as well. The hangout is empty a lot of times, but all a member has to do is get on group IM *We encourage it* and usually a few people will show up. Plus I am sitting on my back deck a lot of times, I'm always happy to chat with someone who might drop by.

A Linden apparently made a resident named Gaybot change his name! And he did, to Faybot, I think.

Then this other resident here also named Gaybot gets to be named Gaybot without a problem, if I am remembering everything right.

It was irritating, anyhow, what happened to that other Gaybot.

And to Trout - I hadn't read along when I posted above, to see that my point had already been made more than once and you had already commented. I hope your holidays haven't been too awful! I know mine have been kind of wrecked with not one, but TWO tooth problems.

And did you know there is a website that shows you how to make trout origami? A friend gave it to me, and I thought immediately of you. (I can't find it now, or I'd post it for you.)

coco

good idea! I will be the portal for newbies to the hangout place



We are the same bot...I pressed my luck and made a few more gaybot names, lol.

I knew it! You're my Hero.

All this time I've been assuming this Gaybot was the alt of the original Gaybot. Are you saying they are two completely different people?

Ah, so I'm not crazy whew!

So extremist.

A term so obscure, only snide relatives or orderlies would know, is nothing to get hot about. Don't be a hothead>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

This was my theory, too, after a couple of recent forays into Linden sandboxes: That they don't do anything about it for fear those people will then go to peoples non-Linden sandboxes and then mess them up, too!

I actually had a nightmare about it, after trying to find a sandbox to rez something in. I actually dreamed that night about a horrible place with horrible people.

The awful things going on in them were just . . . sickening, and . . . well, I'm at a loss to articulate it, but to try -

You know, if you want to go looking for them, you can find things on the Internet that make you lose faith in humanity, make you sick at your stomach, make you see ugliness at its most raw.

But in SL, you get them slammed in your face on LINDEN-SPONSORED LANDS, whether you were looking for them or not.

I personally think it is outrageous that the Lindens don't do anything about these situations. I resent it on behalf of my business.

Because I figure most people will experience those places about two minutes before they write off SL entirely.

And that isn't good for any of us. But, I don't think LL cares about new players much, or whether they stay and become a productive part of society.

LL CLAIMS they are worried about the low retention rate. But they have official lands - sandboxes, welcome areas, and so forth - that they have totally abandoned to the worst elements anyone could run across in any society. Sexual stuff, ethnic stuff - death stuff, you name it.

In one of the sandboxes, the whole sim was made unusuable by a guy who'd put a script in or something that made the whole screen static-y, and had a big sign saying, happy holidays from him, and how he was "unbannable."

(I took a picture of it, and would post it here if I knew how.)

And that was just one of the things I saw in those sandboxes. There was porn, caging, you name it.

LL claims to care about age verification and protecting players and whatnot, yet on their OWN LAND they allow things to go on which literally sicken even an older and certainly not sheltered person like me.

And see, I didn't go looking on the net for that. I wouldn't have minded if I had done that. But I had it shoved at me whether I wanted it or not.

And the first thing you have to do in these sandboxes is sit down. Because people will attack you. Now you can talk all you want about how it's only pixels, and I AGREE.

But the truth is, those are places that engender a feeling of non-safety. Where you know you will likely not get to do whatever you wanted, because instead you will be blasted somewhere else, or whatever. To the point where you can't wait to get back to someplace sane, and AWAY from that awful place.

So they lose players. They deserve to. They don't even care what goes on on their own land.

coco

Wonderful! That possibility had occured to me; glad that is the case!

coco

Why does this remind me of the USSR's purported utopian society, where the State was around to help everyone, provide shiny new housing and community centers, and the whole thing just ended up in the toilet because the State couldn't maintain all this stuff because it was so poorly managed and funded? Will LL, like the USSR, cause its own demise through an overburden of abandoned projects that instill resentment and rebellion amongst it citizens? Hmmm....

People with the time and the good will might like to hang out now and then at some of these entry areas and help the newbies get past the grief-kiddie "welcoming committees." Steering them to relatively protected places like The Shelter and Noob Island, and passing them the folders of newbie aids that were created here and passed around a few months ago, would be doing everybody a really big favor, especially the newbies. Kindness and a thick skin are a prerequisite; skill at Brenda-class putdowns for the griefers would be highly desirable as well, but is not strictly necessary.

He he. Sounds like a new type of Submarine. "Brenda Class"

I was wondering about that "Immersed" under your name.

"LL claims to care about age verification and protecting players and whatnot, yet on their OWN LAND they allow things to go on which literally sicken even an older and certainly not sheltered person like me. "


This part stood out to me from Coco's post, though all of it is so true. It brings up a new question though. WHO is responsable for the behavior that is inapropriate on LL land? If landlords are having to flag their land as mature or adult in nature, doesnt LL? This is THERE owned land, some of which (if I read right) are PG in rating but very adult and mature things are happening. Do we get to issue them a warning? Do the ARs on things that are way out of line results in action? I know we dont get to be told if it does, but, meh its hard to say if we are doing any good by ARing them in a way.

Is it going to be up to the residents to help get the LL areas cleaned up? I know its a big job, for LL as well, but is ignoring it really going to be the answer? (Just asking questions out loud).

I have a couple of places from this thread that I will direct newbies I meet to, if the need arises. Hopefully, the more we each help as individuals will help keep people from seeing SL as more than what they see in Welcome areas. Is it any wonder there arent a ton of news reports out there about those areas? I suppose their reporters get a real welcome and directed away FROM them when they come to SL lol

I agree. Coco's words definitely ring true. So well said. It's time for LL to step up and accept responsibility.

I've created my own newbie folder for handing out, but how would I go about getting the one that is being referred to in this thread?

I would love to get one of those as well. I just started tossing together some newbie stuff into one folder as well, hoping that the newbies I hand it to arent too afraid to accept something from someone already

They are all named after very beautiful places in the English Lake District.

As Gay man I see nothing offensive with name Gaybot I wonder why the Linden had issue with it?
Now I could think of truly offensive names but that isn't one of them.
I could understand some not liking the name meaning "bundle of sticks" hat begins with F and is 3 letter-bot but even that word doesn't bother if used in unoffensive way.

Sent folders to those who asked - enough stuff in them it takes two folders. Might need to be updated a bit, but much of it should still be good.


I won't have the time to do it today, but I'll box them up and make them available in the Forum Hangout when I get a chance.

Only thing I see offensive about gaybot is that it sounds cumbersome and even a little painful, but then, I'm not a bot.

Awesome, thank you so much Har!

Can I bum a f.. from you ol' chap? Nothing like taking a deep long pull on a f.. on a cold winter's night to keep warm, eh? Especially as we joyfully dance about in our gay apparal singing nice festive songs. Those were the days . . .

I'm begining to think that eventually every three letter word will become offensive to someone or other. Wonder what day will morph into. Or our. Or the. The you! You The! . . hehe.

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oh right.
The is also Die (as anyone who has watched the Simpsons knows) . . a little morphing and playing around and saying The you could become Die You! You Die! or The you! You The!
Auf Wiedersehen

Well I personally haven't thought of anything painful with that name...though I do image my perfect Gaybot would be very shiny, yet with soft lining over his metallic muscular build with leather chaps, with cute shiny tush, leather boots with buckles, and leather vest open showing of some nice shiny nipple rings and handle bar black metallic mustache with his hand on hip Gaybot would proclaim to all when entering the room and his queenliest leather lisp, "Hello All you studly Men!" And he wouldn't say anything rude about the Women and Tuna
LOL

I haven't actually seen Gaybot in world, but that is how I've imagined him. Sorry Gaybot.

I hope I am offending you or anyone for stereotyping but for some reason the image does come to mind.
I think about all the Nelly Gay guys I have met and sissies like myself and just put them in robot form.
As far as topic I remember people suggesting I go to welcome areas when I was new and felt lonesome.
Didn't run into Grievers but they didn't seem very friendly bunch. I felt ignored and felt like I was intruding.