Black Friday Protest

/me shakes his head in sympathy.

What on earth makes you think that my alts are created to screw with other people's minds?

Pep (Quite the reverse in fact, but that's another story)

We already know that pippy has no concern for most other people's opinions or well-being. Why expect him to adhere to higher standards than the ones he's been displaying?

Of course, his discussions with his own alt are no one's business but his own (weirder things go on in SL), but I feel for the people who were sucked into believing they were talking to someone else.

The sad part here is that genuine newcomers might be viewed with suspicion lest they're another false face for him to hide behind, for whatever twisted reason.

Well, in my book, when account #1 and account #2 are both posting in the same thread, before it was common knowledge who account #2 was, and account #1 was answering account #2 as if they truly were separate people, that is intentionally screwing with people's minds.

Just my opinion - YMMV.

Especially in this economy. LL should just quit chasing after a pipe dream and build a base that encourages the corporations to come in, namely by encouraging the users in their pursuits. Without a stable community, the other corps are just going to see the tumbleweeds and bots.

Second Life is entirely too limited for them to want to really use it for conferencing, employee training and the like. Sure, you can have voice and stream movies into SL, but that's pretty much the extent of the interactivity of it. You'd be just as well off using a webcam, mic, and do a video conferencing. There is also programs out there that allow others to see what you're doing on your desktop.

And we've proven time and time again that we aren't going to bother with sims that are just one big advertisement poster and nothing more. So, all that LL really can sell right now is novelty, which isn't enough to keep 'em in world.

Another over-emotional and irrational conclusion. You don't know that at all.

My standards are exemplary. I hurt no-one by deception.


Pep commented on the responses by other people to Charly's original question. Your point is . . .?


And this relates in what way to the thread where everyone says that they treat avatars at face value anyway, whoever is actually behind the avatar?

Pep (And are you condemning the plethora of alts to be occasionally found having fun in the Undying Thread?)

Read it again Lil. Pep was commenting on other people's responses to Charly's original question. It would have been less appropriate for Charly to have done so.

Pep (And this sort of thing happens frequently in the Undying Thread without comment . . .)

Like here, you mean?

You are getting account#1 and account#2 mixed up, Max.

Pep (All true too)

Well account #2 talking about a conversation with account #1 is also quite deceiving - and probably intentionally so.

Quite possible, but I really do not remember people over there having conversations with themselves via alts - or at least not when all of the regular posters do not know about the relationship.

ROFL....Pep couldn't stand to let paragraphs run on long enough without a break to be Jumpman. It would drive him totally freaking insane.

Honey (insaner?)

But I am not mixing up the accounts here:
or here:


(you told me to read it again, so I did)

Umm.. this has nothing to do with the OP topic. But to be honest, if I'm going to talk to myself, I'd rather do it in my head. I mean, that way no one will look at me strangely...

*drags it back on topic* In short, no matter what kind of boycott you plan.. LL isn't going to care. Heck, even posting an open letter to the blogs did exactly zip as far as that goes. LL simply doesn't care about the resident, which makes me ask:

WHO IS LL REALLY TRYING TO ATTRACT?! Give us a clear idea of the kind of resident LL wants, so the rest of us can finally say, "Screw it, I'm gone."

There is no competition to SL, nothing that delivers the same functionality, so there is no other way to show LL how you feel about their mismanagement. It is not irresponsible to suggest that if you really are fed up with SL that you leave. All the people that tier down still feed the economy and ultimately that share goes to Linden Lab. If you want to hit them where it hurts, you leave.

Look at what the organized protest here on the forums/blog did. It managed to exchange a sh*t kabob for a sh*t burger. Granted, the market is going to adjust. But that isn't "protest." Protesting by cashing out, as stated in the OP, does nothing to LL and is a hare-brained idea that does nothing except make the protester feel a little better. If it provides a catharsis for you, go ahead, but know that it doesn't harm LL in the slightest.

The reason I asked this hypothetical question was to get the opinions of people who are smarter and/or more knowledgeable than myself. To those of you who actually bothered to think about and answer my question, I would like to thank you dearly.

I can see now that my idea was not a good one as it would have little effect on Linden Labs, and might actually hurt the residents of Second Life.

I love being here in SL, I do not intend to leave. I just wanted to find a way to express my dissatisfaction with bad management decisions so they can learn and try not to repeat those mistakes in the future.


Now, to those people who seem to be rambling on and on about something other than the original topic: You guys are very entertaining. I have no idea what you are talking about half the time, but you are quite amusing, so please carry on.


This was quite an introduction to the forums for me.

Sometimes threads get sidetracked (all in fun), but usually only after the OP has been answered or commented on quite a bit.

Welcome to the forums.

Yes it is. protest and demand better service that protects your investment better. Do not sign your investment over to Linden Lab. That does not make any sense.

The protest had M Linden come out of hiding and make some sort of adjustment (albeit, not one that is acceptable). If we would have said nothing then the original policy would have stayed in place. So yes, protest does effect corporate outcome.

Most explained to the OP that cashing out was not going to be effective. I suggested a organized blanket of bad PR blogs and you suggested hitting the delete button. You and I can both agree that cashing out and deleting will not effect Linden Lab in the least bit. But a multi-language worldwide bad PR blogfest would definitely impact them in some way.

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And found only two small examples where it is blatantly obvious Pep is talking (not answering the OPs question) for the benefit of the ladies of the thread and other interested onlookers, *not* for Charly. Not terribly "mean" or "nasty" either, was it!

Pep (And the comments gave him a reason not to take advantage of their good nature, which *would* have been deceitful)

Distinction without a difference. Unless you cash out completely, you have signed over your investment to Linden Lab. I am not saying that people should not speak, I am focusing solely on what is effective. Speaking on subjects has limited effect. Look at the jira system. We are wholly at LL's mercy because of the TOS. And in this particular example, we got a fundamentally WORSE deal than the one proposed. So was it really effective? If all you really care about is having M or Jack come out of hiding, it was effective.

Although it hasn't been organized, pretty much every blog that reports on Second Life has given this a huge thumbs down and it has made it into papers of record, such as the Washington Post. And what did we get? The sh*t burger.

Effective! ...not.

Cashing out and leaving may not hit LL directly but it is effective in that if you are that disenchanted with SL, it means you will no longer have the frustrations and heartaches associated, and will have more time, and money for other things. Nothing wrong with that.

This is a little gibberishy to me. Do you mean 'cut your losses and quit now before Linden Lab destroys your entire virtual portfolio?'

The TOS is a wish list written in fantasy land. No real court anywhere in the world has EVER upheld Linden Lab's TOS.

I really feel a 100 BLOGS OF SL DISSENT from all around the world would be very effective. We can post anything we want in a website outside of SL.

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How many times has it been tested and exactly which parts were found to be unenforceable?

The only one I can think of is the requirement to submit to arbitration in San Francisco. If there are others, please provide links.

yes, the sexgen one you mentioned and the infamous one where the guy bilked the land store and was deleted. He sued and got his Lindens, account and items returned to him. The TOS crumbled under legal scrutiny. We threatened a class-action suit in 2006 (and had already retained the attorney) when LL pulled the bottom out of the Telehub land market. LL crumbled and bought the land back from all of us.

Now Chris - don't go postal on me - play nice.

The one I mentioned was the Scumbag Lawyer Bragg who defrauded the land auction. Only one section of the TOS crumbled.

In this case the TOS seem to be getting another test:

http://www.massively.com/2008/10/20/minsky-vs-linden-lab-linden-lab-responds-asks-court-to-okay-ba/

From the article: