Its against any rule to run more than one AV at same time?

Basically the general consensus of the community can be summed up thusly;

This idea is no worse than camping chairs, but nor is it any better. It's a bit like saying that you can stop people in the third world from starving to death by executing them instead - the same number of people are dying. There will still be excessive lag caused by the presence of too many avatars just standing around doing nothing. This is anti-social and is akin to playing your music at full volume at 3am in real life - your neighbours will not take kindly to it.

Well, as long as the Linden dwell^H^H^H^H^H traffic policy encourages gaming the system... I think it would be possible to hack libSL to minimize the lag of a bot by preventing all texture loading, having it itself composed of only blank textures, and scripting it to always sit motionless at 700m.

If the OP's avatar-bots move, they consume *massively* more CPU than a camping (seated) AV. The script in a camping chair would use several orders of magnitude less CPU than Havoc will burn moving that AV around, bouncing it off the ground and pondering anything it might bump into every 1/45 sec.

Gives new meaning to the term "Go f*** yourself."

My friend Runs her two Avies all the time, it's a simple Flick of a switch in the preferences that allows it.

Angel.

The problem I have with your argument is the first assumption: 10 chairs and 10 avs.

Maybe that's true at the place you go to, but at the place I've seen, it's more like 10 chairs and 5 avs and 5 of the chairs are empty. That's the key difference to me. The issue of your tool reducing the number of running scripts is secondary. The first question that must be asked is whether it will increase the average number of avatars in an area over time.

What if they pass the Turing test, meaning noone can tell them apart from real avatars when chatting to them - must we assume that they have artificial intelligence? Oh no please, the same thing we already had on IRC, it was called Eliza, it is just stupid and creepy.

I would think the lag from sitting avs (including dancing/window cleaning etc) would be less than a non sitting av, since they can disable physics on a sitting av.

Thanks for that Ava..I'll give the Sky Platform a try I think..now all I have to do is build a platform the size of a sim and get it up there..well I had nothing much to do tomorrow anyway..

Actually running script code does not lag anything but other scripts. In the sim scheduler, scripts have the lowest priority, so if a sim lags, the scripts are slowed down. The often heard argument 'scripts lag' is basically complete and utter nonsense. This goes for timers, listeners e.a. sorry to burst the bubble.

What can slow down sims is the effects of scripts (texture changes, rezzing, movements e.a.) This is no different from any other object/avatar which causes the same effects. The big difference between an avatar and an object is, that an avatar also is connected to a client, which needs to get a copy of all these changes streamed to it. Next to that, avatars are often highly complex objects with hundreds of prims, hundreds of textures, animations, physical movement etc.

Actually the fact that an avatar is walking around (either as a bot or as a person), and in such a way interacts with the physical sim model, instead of sitting down (as on a camping
chair) will probably eat a lot more cpu resources than the script in a camping chair.

So all in all, although your solution is a lot more versatile than a simple camping chair. The argument it's less laggy is false. Quite the opposite even.

BTW I'm no fan of camping chairs either, and I actually find the idea of bots for specific functions highly interesting and useful. As long as not being used with false argumentation, though.
I advice the OP to brush up on his skills on the inner mechanics of SL, before claiming the things he is claiming

Camping chairs are for SL search, what those 'get your name in the top 10' services were for Google. (We still see those services, as spam bots on open forums/blog comments etc.)

Google battled these services, by changing their algorithms, not counting the links from those places etc. What economic sense did it make for Google to do this?
They did this, because it slanted the results of their search engine, making it less reliable, and this costing theml users/customers , who would look for reliable results in other places.

So in what economic sense is camping bad for LL?
Well, it makes the results of the search less reliable, so people will look for other places/methods to get reliable results. Although ofcourse LL is not running their profits on the quality of their search results, it's an integral part of the quality of service of the whole product they offer.

In what economic sense is camping bad for the residents? As camping makes it harder for creators who try to gain popularity by the quality of their products, these residents lose their sales to the shops that do use camping chairs.
This means that it's less interesting to make new and high quality products. This also has a degrading effect for the consumer, who now has less choice in products, or is not able to find these easily. So the economic effect on the market is a reduction of product choice.

On the other hand without camping people would buy less stuff. I seriously doubt it that the same amount of small purchases or clothing would be purchased if it wasn't for camping. Camping keeps the money flowing.

Rubbish! It's not as if campers earn enough to make any kind of significant purchase themselves, and as for affecting the traffic figures; what kind of fool goes to the most popular shops? The higher up on the search list, the more popular, therefore the more people in the sim, therefore more lag. Anyone with any sense starts from the bottom of the search list and works up, not the other way around.

You dont need a whole new software to run multiple clients. Simply right click the desktop icon, and after target put " -multiple"

Unless you're using Vista, then it becomes a whole lot more complicated and involves partitionning the harddrive, installing a second copy of the client, forwarding to two different ports and then, and only then, using the -multiple suffix.

I think the point of the OP's software is not to just run two clients, but to actually control the avatars and make them move randomly.

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Apparantly there are enough "fools" to go for the popular results, otherwise camping wouldn't exist.

Besides.. it amazes me how much hatred there is towards campers. You don't camp to cash out, you don`t camp to make a big purchase. Camping is like pocket money - for the little flex skirt you wouldn't buy otherwise. Lookat at the vast number of cheap items availaible I would guess that the "almost freebie" market is a huge one.

Why campers are being bashed? Don't shop owners pay to get a higher ranking for their classifieds? Why is that in any way "better" than rising traffic by camping? At least the camper gets a few pennies to spend in-world. (It's more than pennies actually.. if you camp the time you work at your PC you can make 100-200 every day, which makes 1000 every week, enough to rent a nice place!)

I use to be able to make 4000l a month camping. Now I don't bother I am lucky if I can find a place where I can earn 20l in 8 hours.
I used the camping money for uploads and shopping for items.
Now I just use my stipend for uploads and I don't shop much myself.

No one here is going to pretend that the classified system is okay - but atleast it doesn't cause lag to your neighbours.

Is it really that difficult to run 2 SL clients in Vista? I would love to be able to do that, it would be a great help for testing items that require multiple avatars. If anyone else is has figured out how this can be done without partitioning the hard drive I would love to hear how.

i don´t see the difference between a camping zombie and a bot zombie. hmm ok a bot sucks a bit more i think (why play online games when you are seeing bots)

just my 2 cents

Eurika Yuriko.
my thoughts exactly.

Sorry, but you are misinformed.

Yes, the camping chair script does cause lag. But the amount of lag caused by the chair script is trivial compared to that caused by the avatar itself. SL bots cause lag, not because of scripts, but by virtue of being treated exactly like any other avatar by the SL engine.

You have obviously no idea what you're talking about. Unless you count a 1024 mainland parcel insignificant...