Zindra land swaps: outstanding questions..

With little over a week to go before tickets this is an example of the ongoing confusion, little wonder given the lack of clear Linden answers.

Places providing sex or ultra violence in/for the public will have to move to Zindra, a free swap, if they don't they risk an AR.

Places selling adult content whose business will be severely impacted by adult word filtration can qualify for a move.

Strip clubs dont need to move but certain terms relating to them are adult plus any poseballs for sex or back room fun means they have to move for free.

BDSM and Gor has been implied as being adult, depictions of bondage are adult regardless of lack of any sex act (brownbag).

All real life photos of nudity and sex are adult. Confusion reigns over skins created from real 'real life' photos.

The trying out of sex poseballs and furniture animations in stores does not make them adult however they may wish to move to be where the adult action is...plus again advertising filters. Another danger is if all the clubs and free sex places move/become adult then newbies and no payment people may descend of sexbed stores for free love ins as a 'trial' and the store could then risk AR.

There isn't any distinction for 'residential' in Zindra because it isnt intended that private homes need to move. Private homes on mature land with sex poseballs beds etc for non commercial private use would have trouble qualifying for a move. People having to move may ablso have their own home on their land so will end up in a mixed use situation.

DON'T take down builds as the more evidence you need a free swap the better.

'Apparently' LL can spot the overnight porn palaces for speculation but...proof will be in the seeing.

An arguement many have had is that they bought into mature land for an almost free reign and regardless of any adult content today they could have it tomorrow or the next day and back again...its called rezzing...Denying a requested move to Zindra to anyone sends out the message that from now on the land you bought is now restricted and you are no longer allowed the imagination paid for..............plus since when did people create a build and then never ever change it....yet this is the benchmark being looked at to permit free swaps.

Places with porn bots inflating traffic numbers can move to Zindra?

Hey, thanks.

All sims have been having trouble with lag lately, especially when somebody new TPs into a region. There are a number of threads about this here in the forums, including the one where I've talked about all the hours I've spent with LL and ComSys people lately, talking to them about this issue and demonstrating it to them on nearly-empty regions. It's especially bad on high-traffic places like where I live.

If you saw people just standing around, they were probably deeply involved in IMs or trying to figure out why SL is so more screwed up than normal this weekend. We have no bots and no camping in our neighborhood - never have, never will.

Or are you one of those people who think that anybody not actively chatting must be a bot? Or maybe you're just mad because LL made you stop running your bots?

20 in the same place not talking with high traffic numbers is a big lag problem It always happen?

Exactly that! What else did you expect?

Are you asking if things always lag with 20 people there? No.. We used to hit 40 pretty often and it wasn't as bad as it is now with 20.

Give it a rest. Sindy doesn't use trafficbots and you're way off base making false accusations on this forum to that effect, and off-topic in this thread.

It is a bit disconcerting hearing about alleged 512m pseudo adult shops set-up for land swaps for the purposes of some kind of land speculation/land market extortion scheme if there is any truth to that. I wonder what Linden Lab will do to address that. It always seems to be 3 steps behind on things like this and given its general lack of sympathy to adult content oriented land owners I'm not to optimistic that they will deal with this potential problem in a proactive manner.

Has LL answered *ANY* of the questions from Jacks latest blog post??

/me listens to the clock ticking..

Do we know anything about what differs between the orange-coded "city" sims and the green-coded "rural" sims? If not terraforming ability (or even if so), could it be that city parcels cannot be divided nor joined? (There are some pretty large "city" parcels, however, if they're not to be divided; not a problem in my case, but seems it could be a fairly important consideration for some folks.)

Hehe, or maybe he's just mad because he walked around wearing a freenis and everyone ignored him.

Do we think there's any chance that LL is going to delay the June 29th start date for the swap? Why the hell haven't they posted any responses to the many questions on the blog--especially with Jack MIA from his office hours?

Well, I was tempted to do just that on my 512, not for the purpose of flipping it for a profit, just so that I could have land with all the rights, privileges and permissions that it had when I first bought it. I'm sure I have left it too late to do that now and get away with it, though.

There was somebody here in the forums a while back who had a sig offering some sort of adult BIAB aimed at people with residential plots who wanted the land swap. Haven't seen it for a while, though. Perhaps LL made her/him take down the ad.

I'm actually happy about those, if they exist. I don't see any way they could do much in the way of extortion, and the more of them there are, the more of Zindra will get claimed, pre-auction, decreasing the ability to speculate at auction. I mean, if there were 150 sims-full of Zindra claimed in advance, even if people who claimed large chunks of it intended to speculate on the land, the viable asking price for any of it will be on a par with the rest of Mainland. That's in contrast to a few score parcels claimed over a few dozen sims with the rest metered out in slow-motion auctions--the process LL fervently hopes will generate lots of revenue.

I ran into Michael last night as he was there at zindra parcelling up land. He was very nice - stopped and chatted for a few minutes, though I couldn't really pry much for answers from him.

Either I really don't understand the mechanics of how they're planning this - how can people possibly decide which land to ask for if they haven't parcelled it up yet? - or LL actually intends to be working on this stuff a while more..

There's something I'm really, really not getting here. Wish I knew what it was.

you're making an assumption that this has a logical plan that they're adhering to and is being managed by someone who has an idea of what the objectives are and how they wish to implement them with minimal disruption to the affected customer base.

the reality is that it's piecemeal and that one LL group aren't talking to the other and when any of them deign to talk to us they provide conflicting information about "what they think" is happening.

I'm working with Cyn's statement that if it's an adult pastime then it should go and that there's no use picking land until the 28th.

Simply because they haven't finished tinkering with zindra yet and when they have I'll work with the statement one of them made about ignoring the plots and identifying what sims and what size is the way to go.

Doing it any other way is just a time wasting joke. They're not being professional about this so you can only go with the basics. Essentially, assume incompetence on their part and plan accordingly.

The only way the land swap has any hope of working is if everyone just says, "here's my land size give me whatever pos land you feel like". All it takes is the first 150 tickets to be 512s and each want a different sim and suddenly none of the full sim owners can move. It's not rational planning by any stretch of the imagination.

If their business goal was to "fill Zindra efficiently", then no, what they are doing is not rational planning.

If their goal is "to have lots of leftover plots to auction later for big bucks" then it may well make sense the way they are doing it.

But we all know that LL isn't going to have to worry about selling all the land there after they open up auctions. If anybody there actually is worried about that, they should be immediately removed from any position that requires them to have a clue about how SL works.

Maybe they're planning on rejecting most swap requests? Par for the course there, I guess. That or not actually rejecting swap requests but ignoring them instead.

And, of course, not one answer yet from LL in Jacks blog post.. /me sighs..

At the rate this is going, poor Lindal isn't going to be able to say ANYTHING but "I told ya so!" for like a year.

ok I am at SL6B NOW, at the adult verification exhibit ...

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Titan/18/151/23

There's some info boards which may answer a few questions. Also, Oskar Linden is here right now.

ETA: too late, he poofed.

/me notices Jacks Zindra post has dropped off their Featured blogs..

Apparently nobody can comment on any of the blog posts any more anyway so I guess it doesn't matter much. They can still communicate with us via MOTDs.

@ spinster.

The last couple of paragraphs are new. That new ticket type is interesting, I'm just off to check it out now.

It looks like they're not going to allow staggered buy-in. They're going to have a two week period, after which they'll turn on billing for Zindra.

Depends if the donkey is verified or not.

I created one of those "I have questions about Adult Content Policies and/or Zindra" tickets yesterday - 22/6/2009 2:30 PM PDT

Extract:
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The KB says "we'll provide you with land equivalent to your existing parcel(s) on Zindra".

Please define "Equivalent".

When I tour Zindra I see people on waterfront parcels. I check their Profiles and see that their business is totally land-locked.

Does "equivalent" mean 'about the same area of land'?
Does "equivalent" mean 'Linden water/road on the boundaries as per the existing parcel'?

It seems to me that you are heading for a situation where most people are going to be looking for the few prime spots.

Are you really going to hand out the best places to just anyone based on area and first-come-first-served?
It appears that some people think that you will.
I've got a horrible suspicion that such an insane plan is actually on the cards.


Why not save everyone - including yourselves - a lot of frustration and repeat tickets by providing clearer guidelines?
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The ticket has not been looked at yet - just 10 minutes short of 24 hours after submission.

In the Cyn Linden interview blog post...

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/support/blog/2009/06/22/support-talks-an-interview-with-cyn-linden