Voice on your Land?

Well, you do have a choice to go to places that allow voice. I mean, SL's land permissions system is pretty skewed towards the property owner in every case, whether it is building, scripting, spatial voice -- even admission to the site. So I guess I don't see it as being very different from the other rather broad powers given to property owners by SL's system.

Well, actually no.

I can see that point.

If Voice was set to only be heard by those wishing to (ie, you had to accept the connection first), then I could see it. (It may be that way. Seeing the Communicate UI mess I stuck with the old client as I don't want Voice anyway).

However, I don't believe LL with the claim that there is no impact on the grid with Voice. As in intervaces with the SL system, it HAS to go through the sim by some means. How much it impacts is subject to debate (and one I really don't want to get into).

It is the fact that this system can impact a sim's performance (if only slightly) that I feel it needs to remain in the hands of the landowner.

If LL would completely seperate their Voice from SL (ie there is not interconnectivity with the Grid at all), then I would deffinately say to leave teh choice in the hands of the users. At this point, however, it becomes simply a 3rd party program that happens to be run by LL.

Also, building doesn't have to be a solo activity *Grins* That's why the option to let others work with your prims is there. I have been part of multi-builder builds in the past. I still do see your point, however.

~Jessy

I have to wonder, if by some chance you are sharring with us and internal argument you have with yourself.... Just because you have an opinion, doesn't mean you continue to try and endoctornate everyone to that opinion before you lay something to rest....
I respect other peoples opinion... just don't knock on my door on a sunday and try and sell me a book about it!

WOW, why cant people decide for themselves? Its their land.

If people want to voice and they are on land they are not allowed to , they can go to other land.

That was core to the entire idea of voice since back before they decided to introduce it to SL. It was always sold as Optional on a per Parcel Basis.

I do not see the downside of people deciding for themselves whether voice is allowed on their land.

I'll clarify that.... Within the core programme of SL, is spatual awareness as a requirement of your location in respect to building, people etc around you in the VR enviroment, that information flows like life blood through the systems at all times. That information is also now sent to the voice server 3rd party company, which they use to connect YOUR system, to each system that is both within your immediate range, has voice enabled and is connected to the server.. or is in IM, which overrides the general chat.
It is the same for any type of media interacting within SL. The stream of data for voice, movies, radio etc etc, does not come from, or draw resources from the SL system, it doesn't require any further hardware/software, other than a redirected connection to the 3rd party servers giving information that is already generated and available, so IT can control the media services.
The client controls, are simple API calls to the OS to allow for voice peer to peer connections, and volume.

Ummm....That read as very informative and well thought out, but I didn't follow it past the first sentence.

Can you repeat that in Cliff Notes for those of use who are less techie? I'm not being a smartass here (for once).

I have the feeling there is good information in that post, but for the life of me, I don't have the knowledge to understand it.

~Jessy

Voice is enabled in the sim that I live in solely because two people, out of all the individuals who call the sim their home, want to talk to each other. No one else on the island is the least bit interested in using Voice.

Voice is handled on separate 3rd party servers, not the LL servers, and thus has no impact on the performance of LL servers.

Useless post. So I'll create one too.

Hmmm. I thought I clearly said:

{see: opinion}

Do you want the dictionary link to that?

Labeling voice as a disrupter to the grid is just another way for the anti-voicers to [try and] tip the scales...it's really negligible from a technical aspect.

If you consider SL as being an open-ended user-generated environment for both 3D assets and scripting...how can you possibly even think the voice aspect (which runs on another set of servers) is disrupting the grid?

There are so many scripts running all over...so much new and old user-created content flowing in and out of existence. The majority of chaos and disruption stems from this chaotic ever-changing world...don't blame voice, it's simply not the problem.

Sorry, In my opinion - just putting a label on a statement calling it "opinion" does not leave a statement above the comment of others.

You are entitled to you opinion, but others are entitled to their opinion of your opinion.

If that were not the case then no one should be quoting anyone's opinion at all on the forums. But that happens almost every day.

Heck MY POST that YOU QUOTED was my opinion.

If you want your opinion above all reproach, get a Blog.

Looking at the current state of the poll I think this is the least negative vote on voice so far. I must admit that I was extremely opposed to voice before it was implemented, but really it has had no social impact on me at all. I was once asked if I wanted to use it but other than that I've not even been aware of it at all. I've gone back to the previous client so I don't see the little dots over people's heads, so I don't even know if anyone around me is voice enabled. The whole thing seems to have been a bit of a damp squib.

As for the technical impact on performance, I don't know how any of you can be so certain one way or another. Just because it runs from another server doesn't mean that it can't have an impact, and certainly on the client side streaming data can have a big impact. It must take up bandwidth at the very least.

By the way, even the postings on the subject have got much more restrained don't you think? Probably a sign that the antis have become a bit less scared and the pros a little less gung-ho. Maybe we should have some fun and get back to the missionaries!....... Oh gawd, I can't believe I just said that......

Edit: Maybe i spoke too soon, Colette just got started!

I live on the mainland, so all the land is voice enabled, all the time. I went out and bought a new headset to try vioce when it was released to the main grid. I went to all my usual haunts but could not find anyone using voice. I finally went to a welcome area and found a few people with white dots. But it seemed that all they did was whistle and eat potato chips in the Mic. Very annoying! I am open to the use of voice,, but none of my friends use it, no one coming by my shops is using it, so I turned it off. Besides, the headphones gave me ear fatigue. I have not seen any others using voice but I guess if you have it disabled in prefs you dont see other ppls white dots. Or maybe nobdy is using it.

Give it time.



Doubt it.



Sure did.

i have no choice in the matter, i rent land, and my landlord has EM powers, then again, i am freinds with him, but its on a mainland sim, and he has to keep it up

yes, but not everyone does that on the mic, chaces are, this noob, was not aware he has voice on, it happens all the time, its called open mic, 100% accidential

Wow! I must hang out at the same places as Broccoli and Cat - hope we meet up one day, guys. Thankfully, I haven't encountered voice anywhere yet.

To the original question, 'Voice on your Land?' - different thread, same answer - not now, not ever.

Not 100%. The only time I encountered people using voice in the open chat on the grid so far it was two guys just standing around. I went by and they asked if I could hear them. I typed yes and they began following me around while one ate a sandwich and the other talked about how tasty it must be. They were clearly entertianing themselves that night by using voice to be mildly annoying.

So far the numbers are conclusive:

At least 100% of the people that voted picked one of the available options!

Of those, over 57% of the people that like to read about voice on the SL forums don't like voice!

That 57% accounts for approximately .015% of the 40,000+ residents that are on at any given time!

The conclusion? An overwhelming majority of residents don't give a shit about the forums!

Or about voice.....

Good logic :rolls eyes:

I really wish LL would ban or introduce something else to SL so there could actually be something new for people to complain about on the forums.

Well I'm enjoying it so far in the main. It can be useful when you're having a three way conversation. I'm still awaiting the annoyance of being in a sim where too many people are using it but so far it's been fun.

Text chat is still far more important to me though.

And chances are pretty darn good that you will be in those threads also complaining about whatever that "something new" is that people are complaining about.

Seriously, why not just let people be and ignore those threads that bother you so much?

Religiously, you are in every complaint thread complaining about other people complaining.

And there is a very good chance that if anyone were to ask which name do you recall most about that annoying complaint thread, it would unanimously probably be yours.

You my friend are 100% wrong here. The land owner has every right to choose whether or not voice is enabled on their land. It is after all THEIR land, they paid good money for it. I currently have voice enabled on my land, but also have the right to disable it at any time. You still have the ability to use voice in SL anytime you want on any sim that you want by using a 3rd party product such as Skype.