What happened to Privateer Space?

Yeah. I saw that on the previous page. It still doesn't make a lot of sense to me, though.

She got AR'ed by a sandbox owner? Er.. So what?

She was banned from SL for a few days, and had no idea why.
That is what started the dispute, and the slow death of PS.

But this isn't a reason, its just stuff.

You cant be AR'd for helping someone with something. Unless its helping with a scam or an exploit, or some other banned activity.

You can get AR'd for things you didn't do - the investigation process lacks transparency and oversight.

Or is this a case of LL not telling Aley what she was suspended for?

I mean I'd hope that even the Lindens wouldnt suspend you for an AR like this --

Hi "Some Avatar" helped "Someother Avatar" learn how to make a box!!!!!11111eleven Please BAN THEM.

It must have been some kind of false AR, that the moron used because he didn't like something about Aley. That guy should be brought down, so it can be a lesson to any one who ARs for false reasons or getting rid of residents they don't like!

Sadly that probably wont happen.

I agree the AR system could stand revamped. It should be very difficult to be banned from Second Life.

Instead its more like the lottery .. will the ARs fired off get to the Linden whatever the ARs say will resonate with.

This is another example where Linden Labs shows it's lack of business sense in failing to make any effort to sustain it's key customer base. Key customers are not just corporate entities that own 40 islands but those artists that contribute substantially to the service. In this case, an artist who builds and pays for a showcase simulator that demonstrates some of the more creative potentials of Second Life and inspires new and old residents alike (including stodgy corporate types) to stay in Second Life. When those key customers express dissatisfaction or take a walk, a success minded business that is concerned for it's own dollars and cents interest is going to make a serious effort to retain and/or bring those customers back. Frankly Linden Labs should be offering this person the free use of the simulator in exchange for what they bring to the service. M Linden crows about all the creativity that he's seen in Second Life, but he has yet to address the serious issue of churn and how he's going to retain those who make the creativity happen.

Great, the most awesome place in SL and I'll never get to see it.

Yeah, it's really like flipping a coin when you deal with some areas of LL.

Yesterday, a conceirge-level friend of mine finally got closure on a support ticket she's had opened since March - they closed it without comment. Like the support Lindens, I think parts of the g-team maybe put more effort into their jobs than others.

Ray, you can call for this persons head as much as you like but if nobody knows the name, which is illegal to name in these forums, there's not much anybody can do about it.

Unfortunately, they don't bring in money, so it wouldn't be viable for the Lindens to do that. (It's one of the reasons why the Lindens have to be careful about what they support. For example, the one tutorial location that I know the Lindens pay for is the Ivory Tower of Prims - because building = land = tier.)

But if this was just the result of AR dogpiling then it's really a shameful occurance. I'm a bit confused as to how someone would be ARed for helping someone in a sandbox mind you.

It's the Community Team up to it's old tricks. Everyone knows that they can Mass AR someone and get a quick knee-jerk response from the Community Team. And when it's revealed that the entire thing was just harassment - the Community Team just sends a 'we stand behind our decision' e-mail and refuses to discuss it further. It seems they assume they can do no wrong. The Community Team is not accountable to anyone - and they know it.

I had a item attached to the front of one of my builds mass AR'd. A Linden appeared in front of me and took the item - and the entire front of my building. I AR'd her and she popped back and returned the item and the front of the building - crooked. Then I got my formal warning e-mail. When I appealed - saying the Linden returned the item and it is still there to this day - I got the 'we stand behind our decision' e-mail. And they refuse to discuss it further.

This is standard operational procedure for these un-supervised community police. One person did try to start a JIRA to get the Community Team supervised by Linden Lab's legal department or anyone. The JIRA was quickly squashed by a LL employee.

The Community Team does not care how much money you pay Linden Lab each month - they have their 'system' - and even when someone proves that system is broken - they circle their wagons and ignore all complaints.

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The fact that you can use that term and a large number of us know exactly what you are referring to is in itself a poor reflection on the AR system.

I have to say it....

What's with the mob mentality here?
some of you sound like you've got the torches lit and the pitchfork tines already sharpened and you don't even know what happened... someone mentioned one tiny detail and it snowballed into a fact about two replies later!

Yes, it's incredibly sad but *maybe* this person just needs some drama-free time away!
Maybe all the outpouring of concern and well intentioned curiousity only makes things worse. Ever thought of that?

Please don't go pointing fingers of blame until this creator tells the full whole story if they choose to do so... SL is about change, and if they want our help as fellow residents who admire this build, they'll ask for it. Personally i find all the "jumping to conclusions" to be something like people who live to read the Nat'l. Enquirer...who cares if it's the truth right?

What's really bad is when you've done something special and decide to end it, those who miss it then start driving you nuts asking you what happened and to bring it back. It often just adds to the grief of the situation. Be a little more sensitive to her situation please

The AR system is a joke and a bad one at that.

In a way, I can see why they don't want to be so transparent, because then that defines the line enough so that griefers become more like long term minor annoyances rather then big bangs *booms*.

But there has got to be a better way to handle this. Taking the appeal system seriously might be a good start (actually a HUGE start,) and investigating each appeal properly so that those who are unfairly banned/AR'd can get it removed from their records.

Another good step would be to use the tools that the governance team has consistantly. Is it really hard to figure out that the mass AR of avatar A because of object B spamming doesn't belong to avatar A, it belongs to avatar C. And ban avatar C.

I know, I live in a dream world....

Privateer Space will always be one of my favourite builds ever, and I agree with a previous poster that all the drama in the world will not convince Aley to return. While most of us still have no idea what happened, truly it is her business and not ours unless she chooses to share what issues she had.

For those of you who didn't get a chance to see it, I made some videos there that might give you a sense of the size of it--particulary when I say that they show perhaps a sixth of the build. For example, not only was there a moon diorama, but a Mars (complete with riding lizards and abandoned temples), Bob (a jupiter like planet) and a swampy Venus that was still under construction when I was there but had rain and really really scary looking swamp aliens O_O

http://www.wegame.com/watch/The_Woman_Who_Fell_to_the_Moon/
http://www.wegame.com/watch/No_Elevator_In_Sight/

(I really loved that parcel music. Very atmospheric)

The problem is, the favourite accusation of AR griefers is banned behaviour IN VOICE. So there's nothing to investigate.

We are responding to what we know as fact in the first thread

Which prompted a frank discussion about the broken AR system. No mob here - just people who are familiar with similar situations.

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Voice grief should be off limits for a ban.

Since there is no proof.

People should not be subject to suspensions and bannings without any evidence.

Then 20 people should be allowed to scream racist abuse in every Welcome Area?

I see you've visited Waterhead recently.

I just found out yesterday and it really makes me angry what LL do. It also brought a tear to my eye for the loss of a fantastic sim and the greif LL has caused Aley. After all in the end it IS LL who have caused this to happen.

LL = scripted answers...they don't care!

LL IS a Dictatorship... their way or the highway!

The LL's doesn't care about the creators or how many hours are involved in the fantastic work done here. This has happens else where. There was wonderfull old train and tressle bridge that had been up for a year and LL just decided to delete the bridge section and the front of the train that was over the LL river one day with no notice to the creator. LL is not human. Humans have concideration, compassion and understanding...LL doesn't!!!

It really doesn't make any sense that anyone could be banned for helping someone unless it is for something against policy. I don't know Aley, but someone who has created such a wonderful non-commercial sim, could not possibly do anything like that IMO.

Privateer Space is one of the most amazing places in SL and I didn't get a chance to see it all either. I will miss it emmensly. LL should be looking at what Aley has brought to SL. For what ever the reason, it is a sad thing for LL to ALLOW and CAUSE this to happen. They ARE only causing their own downfall, but are too blind to see it.

For LL to just blindly CAUSE the lost of this sim or any other sim or build is a crime it self. If anyone should be banned or boycotted it should be LL...if we only could and still continue to enjoy what little is left of SL. They ARE after all, getting rich from US. They need to wake up and seriously consider what they are doing. They DO need to reconsider the policies they are blindly using.

I agree 100% with Ray that the greifers should be delt with! ARer's history should be looked at first before anything action is taken. I know someone who was building on a sim when some greifer caused everything to explode and LL found his name on objects and blindly banned him. LL really DO have to wake up and get all the facts before proceeding with any actions.

....But, we all know nothing will change...It's a sad thing they have us and there is nothing we can do, but leave SL.



And as for forum name policy of the greifer being posted here...there is a way around that...we do have PM's. Once the name of the greifers are known we can pass them to our friends in PM and inworld and soon the all will know who they are and can be banned and boycotted.

Aley I know how fustrated and angry you must be. I only hope you can hang in and get the problem resolved...what ever it is, and contnue to keep Privateer Space up. You have many supporters and if we can help PLEASE let us know.

Another person who sounds like they know a lot more details than I do.

Care to fill us in on what happened, Layla?

I don't know what happened, but wish we all did.

It just makes me angery what LL does and we can't do anything about it

They could turn voice off in the Welcome Area.

But even so - Unless they scream it where a Linden can hear - How is there any evidence?

Since its known people will gang up to AR things, its simply not a trustworthy method to base a ban on.

Ban from the Welcome area(s)? okay. Ban from SL? no.

I've never heard of anyone being banned from Linden public builds, but not from SL - has this ever happened?