A Question of Time
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Brenda Connolly
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08-28-2009 06:10
From: Innula Zenovka High Noon is fine.. it's just I'd rather avoid confusion between "High 12 am" and "High 12 pm."
And it is a real issue, Brenda, at least when you're trying to understand Live Chat's advice on how best to schedule some land transactions in order to minimize the amount of land you hold throughout the process -- thus minimizing your tier -- and keep on getting told to do things before or after "12 am" on a particular day. Eventually, when I asked, specifically, "do you mean I should do this around 11pm on Monday or around 1 am on Tuesday, or do you mean sometime before or after noon, and, if so, on what day?" they had to go and check. I understand. I never realized there was trouble with the 12's. I've always took 12AM to be Midnight and 12PM to be noon.. And doesn't Live Help use SLT as their standard when communicating?
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Rock Vacirca
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08-28-2009 06:17
From: Brenda Connolly Can't you guys argue about Blue Mars or Banlines or something, geez.  I get the sentiments but "High 1200" or "0000 in the Garden of Evil" just doesn't cut it. hehehe, this IS about Blue Mars  Another bloody US company that is now making everyone grapple with HST, and have told us that the Blue Mars servers will be down in preparation for the open beta, from Aug 31, 10:00am HST, until Sep 2, 12:00pm, HST. I was trying to convert that for the non-colonial impaired. (and what is cm/sec in furlongs/fortnight??) Rock |
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Brenda Connolly
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08-28-2009 06:21
From: Rock Vacirca hehehe, this IS about Blue Mars Another bloody US company that is now making everyone grapple with HST, and have told us that the Blue Mars servers will be down in preparation for the open beta, from Aug 31, 10:00am HST, until Sep 2, 12:00pm, HST. I was trying to convert that for the non-colonial impaired. (and what is cm/sec in furlongs/fortnight??) Rock What, they don't have BM time?
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08-28-2009 06:53
Never thought this time issue is that complicated to need to open a topic about... 
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08-28-2009 07:08
From: Innula Zenovka High Noon is fine.. it's just I'd rather avoid confusion between "High 12 am" and "High 12 pm."
And it is a real issue, Brenda, at least when you're trying to understand Live Chat's advice on how best to schedule some land transactions in order to minimize the amount of land you hold throughout the process -- thus minimizing your tier -- and keep on getting told to do things before or after "12 am" on a particular day. Eventually, when I asked, specifically, "do you mean I should do this around 11pm on Monday or around 1 am on Tuesday, or do you mean sometime before or after noon, and, if so, on what day?" they had to go and check. If they were talking about the timing of land transactions then the correct answer was probably to do with midnight GMT. Look at the date/time stamps on parcels. What system is that? All over the Net, servers are tracking timings as GMT +/-
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Briana Dawson
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08-28-2009 07:14
From: Rock Vacirca I wish the US would desist from using the 12 hour clock, it is so confusing.
Anyway, I have three questions:
What time is it, 1 min after 11:59am? Is it 12:00am or 12:00pm? (How is noon denoted?)
Same question for 1 min after 11:59pm. (How is midnight denoted?)
I understand PST (Pacific Standard Time) but SL uses PDT. What does the 'D' stand for?
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Rock Vacirca
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08-28-2009 07:19
From: Sling Trebuchet If they were talking about the timing of land transactions then the correct answer was probably to do with midnight GMT.
Look at the date/time stamps on parcels. What system is that?
All over the Net, servers are tracking timings as GMT +/- Even midnight is ambiguous. Midnight on Sep 3rd. Is that Midnight at the start of Sep 3rd, or Midnight at the end? I think you'll find that the NET has now replaced GMT (no leap seconds) with UTC (which does include them). Rock |
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Pussycat Catnap
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08-28-2009 08:05
Since when has the 12-hour clock been limited to the USA?
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Gareth8 Albatros
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08-28-2009 08:07
From: Abigail Merlin Ah yes, date notation also conlficts like heck, logic would dictate dd/mm/yy but somehow history made it mm/dd/yy in the usa, offcourse for many usa residents may the 20th [day] is more logical then the 20th [day] of may. Ah, yes. I tend to read my join date as the third of January and think: "Well, that's not right!" I've always wished I rezzed a couple of days later |
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EF Klaar
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08-28-2009 08:09
From: Abigail Merlin logic would dictate dd/mm/yy "Logic" would dictate yy/mm/dd, with the most significant figure to the left, as we do when writing the time or a number. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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08-28-2009 08:16
From: EF Klaar "Logic" would dictate yy/mm/dd, with the most significant figure to the left, as we do when writing the time or a number. I thought that's how everyone did it once they get tired of all the middle-endian date formats. With zero padding on the month and day. So you can sort dates as text. ... |
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08-28-2009 08:21
From: Argent Stonecutter I thought that's how everyone did it once they get tired of all the middle-endian date formats.
With zero padding on the month and day.
So you can sort dates as text.
... Not EVERYONE is a computer geek, ya know! in most cases in REAL LIFE, I am more interested in knowing the day and the month, than the year. And when people ask me what day of the month it is, I VERY seldom reply "It's the 07 of September."
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08-28-2009 08:28
From: Sling Trebuchet Will 12 midnight tonight be the last instant of today or the first instant of tomorrow? This might have been mentioned (I can't wait to read whole thread to reply due to lack of time available). The New Year starts when the clock hits midnight, therefore it is the first moment of the new year, threfore 12 midnight tonight will be the first instant of the new day. And 20090826 is more logical than 08262009, or 26082009. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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08-28-2009 08:29
From: Scylla Rhiadra ya know! in most cases in REAL LIFE, I am more interested in knowing the day and the month, than the year. When someone asks me the date in real life, I typically don't mention the year. Unless, like, I have good reason to believe they're a lost time traveller. Which doesn't happen all that often. From: someone And when people ask me what day of the month it is, I VERY seldom reply "It's the 07 of September." Of course not, that's the wrong order, it's "September seventh". And if they're just asking for the day why do you include the month anyway? The zero is silent, like the p in swimming. Wait a second. September seventh? What year?  |
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Lexxi Gynoid
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08-28-2009 08:31
From: Argent Stonecutter The zero is silent, like the p in swimming. That's a myth. You can hear when the p enters the water. Two liquids meeting. Creates a sound. Now it normally is a relatively soft sound, depending on speed and volume, but there still tends to be a sound. |
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Rihanna Laasonen
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08-28-2009 08:50
From: Rock Vacirca One side can throw copies of The 30th edition of the U.S. Government Style Manual (200  sections 9.54 and 12.9b while the other throws copies of The 29th edition of the U.S. Government Printing Office Style Manual. No one respects anything the GPO Style Manual says anyway. I used to be required to use it for government projects, and the thing was designed to give any decent editor an ulcer. Conforming to it was the editorial equivalent of forcing yourself to wear blingy shoes. I miss using SLT. Even if I knew it was the same as Pacific time, at least it seemed more shared. |
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08-28-2009 08:50
From: Lexxi Gynoid That's a myth. You can hear when the p enters the water. Two liquids meeting. Creates a sound. Now it normally is a relatively soft sound, depending on speed and volume, but there still tends to be a sound. Not if you are in the water while you're doing it.
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08-28-2009 08:54
From: Argent Stonecutter I thought that's how everyone did it once they get tired of all the middle-endian date formats.
With zero padding on the month and day.
So you can sort dates as text.
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08-28-2009 08:55
/me wanders off humming "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? Does Anybody Really Caaaaare..."
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-28-2009 08:56
Well, in the case of SL, there is "SL time" and that's the clock most adhere to. SL happens to set its time according to Pacific time zone. At least over here, it includes a 12 hour clock, because that's what we're used to. Hey at least they used the metric system. You can't expect everything. Noon is p.m it is the beginning of the evening portion of the day. Midnight is a.m. If we have to get used to liters you can remember those two things. /joke Military time uses the 24 hour clock I assume because it's shorter to say when shouting orders. |
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-28-2009 08:57
From: Lindal Kidd /me wanders off humming "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? Does Anybody Really Caaaaare..." /me never wears a watch if that answers. (Good song, too.) |
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Damien1 Thorne
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08-28-2009 08:58
I just want the rest of the US to quit messing with their clocks twice a year. It plays hell with my sl.  |
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Kidd Krasner
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08-28-2009 09:01
From: EF Klaar "Logic" would dictate yy/mm/dd, with the most significant figure to the left, as we do when writing the time or a number. Logic would dictate yyyy/mm/dd, or perhaps yyyy.mm.dd, or even yyyymmdd. However, those of us with a command of logic back in the 60s and 70s had the foresight to plan the "Programmer Full Employment Conspiracy", aka the Y2K problem. By the way, don't plan any travel for 20380119, and don't say I didn't warn you. |
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EF Klaar
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08-28-2009 09:14
From: Kidd Krasner By the way, don't plan any travel for 20380119, and don't say I didn't warn you. As it happens, I am working on a wristwatch that uses Unix time, and wondering if I am vain enough to assume it might still be in use in 20 years time. Hmm, I feel a Scripting Tips post coming on... |
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EF Klaar
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08-28-2009 09:40
From: Kidd Krasner Logic would dictate yyyy/mm/dd You may be confusing "logic" with "pedantry". |
