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Argent Stonecutter
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07-21-2009 10:10
Democracy is a political system, communism (or more correctly socialism) is an economic system, a democratic country can be socialist or free-market capitalist. An authoritarian country can be socialist or free-market capitalist. A republic can be socialist or free-market capitalist. A constitutional monarchy can be socialist or free-market capitalist.
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Lindal Kidd
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07-21-2009 10:54
From: Seven Okelli
The concept of "no confidence" was such a surprise to me. It doesn't happen at all in the US. Our officials get elected for a set term.

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I've always thought the parliamentary system had much to recommend it. The people can vote to throw out the current set of rascals and bring in a new set of rascals at any time.
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Chris Norse
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07-21-2009 10:59
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Yeah, it's a weird system ... and I say that as someone who knows a fair amount about its evolution, and has lived under it her entire life.

It DOES work, but it's not as truly democratic, frankly, as what you have in the States. That said, what you have in the States can seem pretty ... weird ... and unworkable too sometimes. :D


Not unworkable enough. I pray for gridlock.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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07-21-2009 11:03
From: Lindal Kidd
I've always thought the parliamentary system had much to recommend it. The people can vote to throw out the current set of rascals and bring in a new set of rascals at any time.

OMG, I wish . . .

Well, we don't have to wait 4 years, usually . . . unless there is a majority government, in which case it can take up to 5 years . . . But even in the case of a minority government, the best that we can usually do is express displeasure through public opinion polls, and hope that the opposition has the balls to bring down the government.
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Petronilla Whitfield
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07-21-2009 11:45
Am I left wing or right wing? It depends on what definition of "left wing" and "right wing" is being used and on what issue is under consideration. I think these terms are too ambiguous to permit a meaningful answer.
Meade Paravane
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07-21-2009 11:48
/me ARs Jig for not including a Pie option.
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Carl Metropolitan
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07-21-2009 13:47
From: Jig Chippewa
Do SLers tend to be liberal-minded or favour conservative opinions. In this poll, I use "left-wing" to denote socialist tendencies with firm (or moderate) support of issues such as "women's right to choose", gay marriage, a stronger feminine influence in the church, and all other key issues today that are debated in North American and European societies in particular.

I have NOT allowed for a "centre" Humpty-Dumpty-Bum-on-Wall viewpoint. Add any comments as you see fit.


Too bad. It makes your poll useless.

I'm pro-free markets, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and think the government has no damn business having any influence on any church. I'm also pro gun rights, favor nearly unlimited freedom of speech/expression, against the war on drugs, favor a strong national defense, low taxes, weak government, and am against the death penalty. I'm not religious and could not care what people want to do sexually.

I don't fit on your map at all, and am proud of it.
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07-21-2009 23:00
I can't say for over there but in Oz the 2 major parties are both up each others butts anyway, they have no problems at all uniting on causes that benifit themselves like pay rises or kicking the crap out of anyone daring to try set up a 3rd political party. They hammered the last person to try that till they got them charged and imprisoned on electorate technicalities.
One says they wants to introduce a GST (VAT) and gets voted out at the polls, so the party winning introduces a GST (VAT) anyway. Doesn't matter who you vote for, so I don't bother anymore got better things to do on a Saturday morning than waste 15 minutes of my life voting..................
I'm not voting in your poll either as I don't want any part in your limited 1 dimensional world :)
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07-22-2009 00:47
This poll is unanswerable and useless. Whether you're a US Citizen or from anywhere else in the world, politics is not binary.

It reminds me of a RL example of a poll that was being promoted in this local area, about local news. The question was, who do you get your local news from, KING channel 5, or KIRO channel 7? Well, let's see, there is local news available from KOMO, KING, KIRO, KCQP, KSTW, and KVOS, and that only includes the on-air broadcasters, there's also a local outlet which is cable only. Why are the rest not represented? And furthermore, the question was asked, if you could not or would not get your local news from KIRO, what other outlet would you choose? The only answer that was allowed was KING, if you chose none of the above, or chose to specify any other valid outlet, it was rejected and you got sent back to the question to answer it again.

That poll is just as realistic as your poll here in SL. As in not realistic at all and the results are guaranteed to be false.
Deira Llanfair
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07-22-2009 03:19
Neither left nor right. Neither here or there.

So far it would seem SLers are mostly Humpty Dumpties, Jig. ;-)
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Jig Chippewa
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07-22-2009 04:04
From: Deira Llanfair
Neither left nor right. Neither here or there.

So far it would seem SLers are mostly Humpty Dumpties, Jig. ;-)


My reason for not providing for a centrist viewpoint is quite simple - I wanted posters to decide one way or other. Obviously people tend to prefer one political stance over another. Otherwise its like saying "I wanna be a Catholic but I wouldnt mind some of those Jewish holy-days also."
Cheekiness aside, I've been really fortunate that in a short life I have seen much of the world in my career and realize that for the majority of our global population choice is clearly demarcated - you either "are" or you "aren't" - you can't pick and choose.
I am not promoting one political stance over another although it's pretty obvious where I stand and the "miffed" replies of people who are asked to make a "choice" are interesting.
Humpty-Dumpty had a great fall and no one could put him back together again.
Which reminds me that I must put on my egg for soft-boiled egg brekkie. Even ravers have to eat brekkie.
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07-22-2009 05:19
From: Jig Chippewa
My reason for not providing for a centrist viewpoint is quite simple - I wanted posters to decide one way or other.
There's no "one way or another". There's no left or right. There's people who self-identify as "left" that are as far apart as communists and libertarians. Hell, the self-identified "right" in Russia are mostly ex-communist hard-liners.

From: someone
Obviously people tend to prefer one political stance over another. Otherwise its like saying "I wanna be a Catholic but I wouldnt mind some of those Jewish holy-days also."
I was raised Church of England. Is that Catholic "lite" or something completely different?
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-22-2009 05:23
From: Deira Llanfair
Neither left nor right. Neither here or there.
There is no "here" or "there". Chris Norse is not "centrist" in any sense of the term, and even he agrees that "left" and "right" are nonsense words.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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07-22-2009 05:24
From: Argent Stonecutter
I was raised Church of England. Is that Catholic "lite" or something completely different?

It used to be something completely different - now it is not.

Pep (has always been amused at the Church of England being founded by a Welshman. :D )
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Jig Chippewa
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07-22-2009 05:26
From: Argent Stonecutter
There's no "one way or another". There's no left or right. There's people who self-identify as "left" that are as far apart as communists and libertarians.

I was raised Church of England. Is that Catholic "lite" or something completely different?


Am much attracted to High Anglican so youre are definitely "lite" if you are C. of E. :)
All "bells and smells" as my Nanna would point out.
But I will stay away from this debate coz its for others to argue in it. Actually, its gone a bit beyond me. Not sure what some people are meaning. It's all a mystery to me.
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07-22-2009 05:29
From: Pserendipity Daniels
It used to be something completely different - now it is not.

Pep (has always been amused at the Church of England being founded by a Welshman. :D )


Oh Rigghttt ... and Jesus was really born in Cardiff. Lol.
Oh I just joke. Just joke.
Actually I just bought a Cambridge published Book of Common Prayer printed in 1769, bound in red calf. Now THAT gives me faith for some reason. :)
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07-22-2009 05:33
From: Jig Chippewa
Oh Rigghttt ... and Jesus was really born in Cardiff. Lol.

You didn't listen in History lessons either, did you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VII_of_England

Pep (North Welsh, but still Welsh)

PS I could make all sorts of jokes about Jesus and Cardiff, but they would probably offend.
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07-22-2009 05:34
From: Pserendipity Daniels
You didn't listen in History lessons either, did you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VII_of_England

Pep (North Welsh, but still Welsh)


PS I could make all sorts of jokes about Jesus and Cardiff, but they would probably offend.
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07-22-2009 05:40
From: Pserendipity Daniels
You didn't listen in History lessons either, did you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VII_of_England

Pep (North Welsh, but still Welsh)

PS I could make all sorts of jokes about Jesus and Cardiff, but they would probably offend.


Henry VIII - yeah, ok and my history marks were pretty awful. I got my Commonwealth buggered up. But he was a decent bloke. Good king. 1066 and all that. NOW get back to arguing politics.
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07-22-2009 05:45
From: Pserendipity Daniels
PS I could make all sorts of jokes about Jesus and Cardiff, but they would probably offend.


as long as they are not about sheep...

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Pserendipity Daniels
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07-22-2009 05:57
From: Seven Okelli
as long as they are not about sheep...

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I'll leave those "jokes" to you. :D

Pep (What do you get if you cross a sheep and a kangaroo? A woolly jumper. :cool: )
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07-22-2009 06:09
From: Tegg Bode
I can't say for over there but in Oz the 2 major parties are both up each others butts anyway, they have no problems at all uniting on causes that benifit themselves like pay rises or kicking the crap out of anyone daring to try set up a 3rd political party. They hammered the last person to try that till they got them charged and imprisoned on electorate technicalities.
One says they wants to introduce a GST (VAT) and gets voted out at the polls, so the party winning introduces a GST (VAT) anyway. Doesn't matter who you vote for, so I don't bother anymore got better things to do on a Saturday morning than waste 15 minutes of my life voting..................
I'm not voting in your poll either as I don't want any part in your limited 1 dimensional world :)


Oh, we had our technicalities here as well. During the last election, both the major parties missed filing deadlines in some major states. But when the 3rd parties filed suit, they were ignored. Of course the 3rd parties are held to the letter of the law, even during major hurricanes.
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Seven Okelli
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07-22-2009 06:12
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I'll leave those "jokes" to you. :D


I was objecting, not proposing.

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07-22-2009 06:29
From: Seven Okelli
I was objecting, not proposing.

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I was referring to your previous inclinations.

Pep (Cursed with a good memory)
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07-22-2009 07:02
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I was referring to your previous inclinations.

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