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Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 05:27
This thread is about spamming the SL search system, Sling.
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Sling Trebuchet
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03-16-2009 05:44
From: Phil Deakins
This thread is about spam, Sling.


Nope. It's about " Spamming The SL Search Systems "

People in the SE industry recognise a concept of engine spamming that is not at all related to the specific mechanics of email spam. The term 'spam' was used in relation to search engines as it had negative baggage that could be attached to a number of dishonest manipulative techniques such as
* Keywords unrelated to site
* Redirects
* Keyword stuffing
* Mirror/duplicate content
* Tiny Text
* Doorway pages
* Link Farms
* Cloaking
* Keyword stacking
* Gibberish
* Hidden text
* Domain Spam
* Hidden links
* Mini/micro-sites
* Page Swapping (bait &switch)
* Typo spam and cyber squatting

Traffic bots and pick buying are example of Search Engine Spamming within SL.
Injecting certain kinds of html into parcel page content could be another way of spamming the SL search engine.

You appear to wish to discuss only the dictionary meanings of words and phrases, and not the underlying reality that is imperfectly described by words. You appear to have a very narrow view of the meaning of "perfectly acceptable".

Tough.
You want to talk about " Spamming The SL Search Systems "?
Great. !
I'll talk about the lack of honour, principle, integrity, etc in the behaviour.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-16-2009 05:46
From: Phil Deakins
This thread is about spamming the SL search system, Sling.


Maybe to you. To me it's about the meaning of words and who gets to decide.
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Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 05:51
From: Sling Trebuchet
Nope. It's about " Spamming The SL Search Systems "
Exactly! (I'd changed my post before you posted yours ;))

It's about spamming the SL search systems and NOT about ad-farming, bankers, etc.
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Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 05:52
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
Maybe to you. To me it's about the meaning of words and who gets to decide.
I think I know what the thread is about, Elan.
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Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 05:59
From: Sling Trebuchet
Traffic bots and pick buying are example of Search Engine Spamming within SL.
That's the whole point. They are not search engine spam, because the search engine, with full knowledge that they exist, has written no guidelines or rules against them. The *only* search engine spam there is, is what each search engine says it is - for itself. You and I don't get to choose - it's just the way it is.
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Sling Trebuchet
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03-16-2009 06:10
From: Phil Deakins
That's the whole point. They are not search engine spam, because the search engine, with full knowledge that they exist, has written no guidelines or rules against them. The *only* search engine spam there is, is what each search engine says it is - for itself. You and I don't get to choose - it's just the way it is.


I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

You know the price of everything, and the value of nothing.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-16-2009 06:12
From: Sling Trebuchet
There isn't a rule in the TOS that explicitly forbids search engine gaming. Gaming Search is the same sort of "perfectly acceptable" as was ad-farming.


Absolutely and paid links on search engines were once perfectly acceptable, these things change over time when the people running said search engines decide it's having a negative impact, different search engines have different rules.

From: Sling Trebuchet
LL are due to blog soon on measures to deal with traffic-bots.
Now why on earth would they expend any energy on such a thing if they thought that traffic bots were actually "perfectly acceptable" in the meaning that most reasonable people would put on the phrase in the circumstances.


Traffic bots will probably be included but the issue for LL that has been raised at office hours is an increase in traffic injection services, people selling services to boost traffic. It would appear that LL have identified a problem with those systems and maybe they're causing a drain on resources which has prompted LL to move.
Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 06:15
From: Sling Trebuchet
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

You know the price of everything, and the value of nothing.
What on earth are you on about?
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Pie Psaltery
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03-16-2009 06:26
From: Phil Deakins
You and I don't get to choose - it's just the way it is.


If I personally think something is spam and I personally find it wrong, no one else's definition or defense of a practice matters.

See, in my world, I do get to choose and I do get to make my own choices based on my own moral compass, my own personal definitions of right and wrong, just like you do Phil. I don't need a dictionary to know if something is spam.

But since you seem to need definitions :

"the price of everything, and the value of nothing" is Oscar Wilde defining a cynic. For a defintion of cynic we have this:
" a faultfinding captious critic ; especially : one who believes that human conduct is motivated wholly by self-interest"
Anya Ristow
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03-16-2009 06:27
From: Phil Deakins
That's the whole point. They are not search engine spam, because the search engine, with full knowledge that they exist, has written no guidelines or rules against them. The *only* search engine spam there is, is what each search engine says it is - for itself. You and I don't get to choose - it's just the way it is.


Wouldn't it be easier to just copy-n-paste what you've posted before? Or maybe have a bot do it?

People disagree with you. Can you not just accept that and drop it? Come back when you have a new angle to argue.

Any discussion you enter turns into an argument over whether or not the sky is blue.
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Zim Gunsberg
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03-16-2009 06:29
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I have no issue with "keyword stuffing" as long as the keywords being used have directly to do with the product or parcel being promoted.

If I sold widgets, I shouldn't be ostracized for putting in keywords like gadget, doohicky, gizmo, thingamajig and so forth. If I added keywords like neko, gor, Linden, freebie and sex, however, that would be spamming the index.

I see this done all the time. Combined with the ridiculous notion of paying more for a classified ad to make it appear higher in the listings, it's caused search to be almost worthless at times.



This. Last week I was searching for Men's skins. I finally gave up as the first few results didn't appear to sell Men's skins at all.
Ciaran Laval
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03-16-2009 06:29
From: Anya Ristow
Any discussion you enter turns into an argument over whether or not the sky is blue.


Colour is just a trick of the light :p
Sling Trebuchet
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03-16-2009 06:32
From: Ciaran Laval
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Traffic bots will probably be included but the issue for LL that has been raised at office hours is an increase in traffic injection services, people selling services to boost traffic. It would appear that LL have identified a problem with those systems and maybe they're causing a drain on resources which has prompted LL to move.


Those traffic injection services could be said to be "perfectly acceptable" right now, even if LL have identified an issue and are going to do something about it in the future. Some might argue that the services are really, really ""perfectly acceptable" because LL are explicitly aware of them and have talked about them without taking action against them.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-16-2009 06:33
From: Zim Gunsberg
This. Last week I was searching for Men's skins. I finally gave up as the first few results didn't appear to sell Men's skins at all.


Odd, I get well known brands in the top results when I use that search term but maybe put your search term in speech marks and you'll get better results.
Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 06:35
From: Pie Psaltery
If I personally think something is spam and I personally find it wrong, no one else's definition or defense of a practice matters.
That's fine. What isn't fine is when someone states that something is spam, intending the other perosn to believe that it's the spam that the world recognises - which is what this thread is about.

From: Pie Psaltery
But since you seem to need definitions :

"the price of everything, and the value of nothing" is Oscar Wilde defining a cynic. For a defintion of cynic we have this:
" a faultfinding captious critic ; especially : one who believes that human conduct is motivated wholly by self-interest"
Ty. In that case the phrase was wrongly directed, and would have been better directed at Sling - the one who wrote it. The definition of cynic describes him/her quite well.
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Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 06:37
From: Anya Ristow
People disagree with you. Can you not just accept that and drop it? Come back when you have a new angle to argue.
I could accept it, but I won't because most people here are not knowledgable in the subject, whereas I am.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-16-2009 06:37
From: Sling Trebuchet
Those traffic injection services could be said to be "perfectly acceptable" right now, even if LL have identified an issue and are going to do something about it in the future. Some might argue that the services are really, really ""perfectly acceptable" because LL are explicitly aware of them and have talked about them without taking action against them.


If they're causing a drain on resources they're not, that's already an issue that LL can act upon. Realistically I think this is always the angle LL have had on excessive bots, campers or even visitors to a club. That's their get out of jail free card on all of these issues and they should use it more often.
Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 06:38
From: Sling Trebuchet
Those traffic injection services could be said to be "perfectly acceptable" right now, even if LL have identified an issue and are going to do something about it in the future. Some might argue that the services are really, really ""perfectly acceptable" because LL are explicitly aware of them and have talked about them without taking action against them.
Precisely. You're getting there, Sling ;)
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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03-16-2009 06:44
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
Hahaha, I just noticed that if you search All for furniture one of my renters in Guksu appears much higher than Phil and that same renter is beating him in the Places search with a different parcel in Nieun.

The best part about it all, they don't even sell furniture - it's a sex club.



Ahhh, so false advertising...which, as generally agreed in this thread, is more dispicable than keyword stuffing, spam, or page manipulation.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-16-2009 06:44
I have this rule. When the Sling+Phil posts make up more than 50% of a thread it's time to give up talking about the discussion at hand and just start making stupid joke posts.
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Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 06:51
Don't be concerned about it, Elan. Sling doesn't have the staying power :)
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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03-16-2009 06:53
I, for one, wish that certain people could quit battling long enough for the REST of us to voice their opinions and thoughts without getting lost in the scuffle.

JMO, feel free to flame, defame, or whatever floats your boat today.
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Phil Deakins
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03-16-2009 06:58
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
Hahaha, I just noticed that if you search All for furniture one of my renters in Guksu appears much higher than Phil and that same renter is beating him in the Places search with a different parcel in Nieun.

The best part about it all, they don't even sell furniture - it's a sex club.
But they do sell funiture and plenty of it. What makes you think they don't? Either that or they have "false" prims there that are set for sale and described as furniture.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-16-2009 07:03
From: HoneyBear Lilliehook
Ahhh, so false advertising...which, as generally agreed in this thread, is more dispicable than keyword stuffing, spam, or page manipulation.


It's a furniture store, I'm not sure what Elan is on about with that one but maybe the joke just went right over my head!
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