Give 1 reason why you think LL is lame
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Briana Dawson
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10-15-2009 08:03
My 1 reason (though there are a few):
- The lack of an AO in the SL viewer which was obviously easy enough to do as the Emerald team did it without a hitch.
Shame on you LL for giving us animations in v1.4 and NOT making us a new viewer with AO use in v1.5/1.6.
They made our SL experience unnecessarily complicated. How many of you recall "trying" to help someone set up an AO and giving up and doing it all yourself for them?
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Aladdin Zane
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10-15-2009 08:06
The people.
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Meade Paravane
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10-15-2009 08:09
From: Briana Dawson Give 1 reason why you think LL is lame There are no Lindens dedicated to figuring out what their customers want, both in terms of existing pain points that need to be worked and in terms of which new functionality would be most helpful.
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Ceka Cianci
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10-15-2009 08:11
i guess the biggest thing would be how they word things or instead of giving a straight answer feel they have to dance around the question leaving people even more confused than before they asked the question lol 
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Morgaine Alter
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10-15-2009 08:12
They don't stop the ramped alt abuse and I don't mean just reg alts.
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Phil Deakins
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10-15-2009 09:27
From: Briana Dawson My 1 reason (though there are a few):
- The lack of an AO in the SL viewer which was obviously easy enough to do as the Emerald team did it without a hitch. There's nothing lame about that, imo. I see no reason why an AO should be in the viewer and, therefore, no reason why it should occur to anyone at LL.
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Briana Dawson
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10-15-2009 09:47
From: Phil Deakins There's nothing lame about that, imo. I see no reason why an AO should be in the viewer and, therefore, no reason why it should occur to anyone at LL. that is fine, but since 2004 many of us were wondering why. Why introduce animations, allow the default animations to be replaced but yet not impliment a smooth way for this to happen besides user content created AO's which only impact sims negatively. So yea, it is lame, though you may not see a reason why - MANY of us do - especially since we were asking for it back then. So LL has known this since 1.4 went live and never implementing a change that would have impacted the entire grid in a positive manner is lame.
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Monique Binstok
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10-15-2009 09:48
LL will start a forum post such as the one Jack Linden made regarding openspace and then go several days and hundreds of posts without even a reply. Then in the end they pretty much disregard what the majority of posters have suggested and do what they had intended in the first place. So why do they even bother asking for input?
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Nina Stepford
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10-15-2009 09:51
this thread will be more interesting if it isnt drug off topic with back-and-forth regarding someones opinion of what is lame.
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Nina Stepford
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10-15-2009 09:53
i think it is lame how ll always moves in and changes things to redirect resident profits toward themselves, ie new sims released, openspace bait & switch, etc
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Sling Trebuchet
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10-15-2009 09:54
From: Phil Deakins There's nothing lame about that, imo. I see no reason why an AO should be in the viewer and, therefore, no reason why it should occur to anyone at LL. That's very low-prim thinking  AO in the viewer gets rid of a bunch of scripts running in attachments on every avatar who can't stand the duck-walk. In a busy sim, that's a load off the server. Pluse the animations click in immediately, and not when the scripting engin can get around to processing the AO scripts. And..... on the subject of lame ... THE BLOODY DUCK-WALK!!! L - A - M - E Whatever about an AO in the viewer....... not putting in a better standard walk is totally lame.
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Conifer Dada
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10-15-2009 09:56
If LL is lame, then it's probably because so many residents seem to take a disproportionate delight in kicking their ankles.
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Briana Dawson
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10-15-2009 10:00
From: Sling Trebuchet Whatever about an AO in the viewer....... not putting in a better standard walk is totally lame.
The funny thing is that in 2003 when i started. The "duck walk" was perfectly acceptable and many were happy about it or if not happy, were not vocal detractors of it. The vociferous reaction to the duck walk came AFTER we knew we could replace them with an AO, at which point we were wondering why LL never did that themselves.
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Aladdin Zane
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10-15-2009 10:03
From: Conifer Dada If LL is lame, then it's probably because so many residents seem to take a disproportionate delight in kicking their ankles. More like biting at their ankles. Like those tiny little annoying yappy dogs. They only really look happy and wag their sad little stumpy tails when they're getting fed tiny little doggy bites one at a time by their elderly, well powdered mistress.
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Raudf Fox
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10-15-2009 10:04
Why I think LL is lame:
They ask for our opinions on something, after they've already made up their minds they are going to do it. And more often than not, the way they're going to do it is NOT the way the users want them to.
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Micheal Moonlight
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10-15-2009 10:04
I still use the duck walk... was fine back then, is fine today... maybe i'm just to cheap :|
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Drongle McMahon
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10-15-2009 10:18
From: Raudf Fox They ask for our opinions on something, after they've already made up their minds they are going to do it. And more often than not, the way they're going to do it is NOT the way the users want them to. While not wishing to comment on the veracity of your complaint where LL is concerned, I would nevertheless point out that this is a well-known technique perfected by successive UK governments. It is called "Widespread and meaningful consultation" and it consists of three steps... 1. Decide what you want to do. 2. Tell people what you want to do and ask for feedback*. 3. After a delay carry out what you want to do. *try not to waste time listening to this. If absolutely necessary, say "We will take that on board."
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Sling Trebuchet
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10-15-2009 10:19
From: Briana Dawson The funny thing is that in 2003 when i started. The "duck walk" was perfectly acceptable and many were happy about it or if not happy, were not vocal detractors of it. The vociferous reaction to the duck walk came AFTER we knew we could replace them with an AO, at which point we were wondering why LL never did that themselves. I'm sure that everyone was so delighted to be in a 3D virtual world that even any of the wals from the Minisrty of Silly Walks would have been perfectly acceptable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZlBUglE6HcThat was then, this is now. I've only been in SL since early 2007, but one of the first things I did was to get rid of the duck walk. SL was even then wall-to-wall with available animations. Not replacing the duck walk with a decent animation by 2007 or even today was totally lame of SL. >>> Give 1 reason why you think LL is lame <<< It would have been such a small and easy thing to do.
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Brenda Connolly
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10-15-2009 11:00
They have no idea how to manage SL, business wise. They don't know their product, it's users or how they use it. They are incommunicative and disingenuous.
*makes popcorn to watch the "What you think is lame is lame" fest to continue.
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Lindal Kidd
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10-15-2009 11:20
Zindra.
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Oryx Tempel
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10-15-2009 12:04
From: Briana Dawson My 1 reason (though there are a few):
- The lack of an AO Come on, Briana, everyone knows that "AO" stands for Adult Only.  Good old clueless LL.
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Czari Zenovka
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10-15-2009 12:24
The lack of a "real" first person view. This has bugged me since coming to SL from EQ as I really prefer to experience SL "through my own eyes" rather than over my own shoulder..
Sure, I can juggle several arrow keys around with Mouselook on, but I have never been able to get that to work smoothly. With EQ you just click on which view you want from the menu - easy.
Would that have been so hard, LL?
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Brenda Connolly
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10-15-2009 12:28
Ohhhh, nice. 
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Katheryne Helendale
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10-15-2009 12:29
From: Raudf Fox Why I think LL is lame:
They ask for our opinions on something, after they've already made up their minds they are going to do it. And more often than not, the way they're going to do it is NOT the way the users want them to. This.
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Ceera Murakami
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10-15-2009 12:57
From: Raudf Fox Why I think LL is lame:
They ask for our opinions on something, after they've already made up their minds they are going to do it. And more often than not, the way they're going to do it is NOT the way the users want them to. Seconded. Linden Lab employees would, for the most part, completely flunk out of any course I have ever seen on "How to provide customer service". In fact, they would probably be ejected from the classroom before the end of the course, for being disruptive and contrary to constructive participation! They either do not listen, or they deliberately choose to take the course most likely to cause despair and outcry among long-term customers.
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