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No Entry for You!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Part II)

Smoke Gordonstone
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04-14-2008 09:18
From: Princess Ivory
In my home sim, someone just put a whole bunch of land up for sale. There is nothing currently on the land. But they had the red ban lines on!!! It's for sale! How can you walk around and look at the plot if you can't get on it? Duh.



That drives me nuts, I have a 32m parcel that I surround on two sides. It's for sale for 3000L and has ban lines up, blocking access to everyone. Since my "L" shaped land surrounds it on two sides I often fly right through that path and smack into the lines. I've come close to buying it just to make it go away, 3000L isn't much but then the jerk who is selling it wins. I've AR'd it as well, hoping it would fall into the inflated prices/eyesores policy LL initiated. Nope...it's been there for months.
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04-14-2008 10:11
From: Smoke Gordonstone
That drives me nuts, I have a 32m parcel that I surround on two sides. It's for sale for 3000L and has ban lines up, blocking access to everyone. Since my "L" shaped land surrounds it on two sides I often fly right through that path and smack into the lines. I've come close to buying it just to make it go away, 3000L isn't much but then the jerk who is selling it wins. I've AR'd it as well, hoping it would fall into the inflated prices/eyesores policy LL initiated. Nope...it's been there for months.




The LL Blog posting states that Ad Farm is just a loose term for land-griefing.

"Despite the title of this blog post, the phrase ‘Ad Farm’ is a bit of a misnomer, so to be clear up front, adverts themselves are not the issue and we don’t want to stop legitimate advertising or use of small parcels for promoting events or stores. For the purpose of this post, ‘Ad Farm’ will apply specifically to advertising or content that is intended solely to drive an unreasonable price for the parcel it is on, usually by spoiling the view of others".

Shortly after the action was announced, a number of AdFarms switched from ugly to prims to ban lines in an effort to get around the letter of the law.
I know of plots where the ban lines disappeared after complaints.

I would definitely get a number of people to AR that 32m plot. It is not unreasonable to consider ban lines as "content" in these circumstances.
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Smoke Gordonstone
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04-14-2008 10:32
From: Sling Trebuchet


Shortly after the action was announced, a number of AdFarms switched from ugly to prims to ban lines in an effort to get around the letter of the law.
I know of plots where the ban lines disappeared after complaints.

I would definitely get a number of people to AR that 32m plot. It is not unreasonable to consider ban lines as "content" in these circumstances.


Thanks Sling, I will do that. I've only AR'd it a few times from my own account. I'll get some friends to come over this evening and do it, hopefully it works.
Dagmar Heideman
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04-14-2008 10:43
Is there a compelling reason why ban line visibility cannot be toggled on and off as a viewer feature?
Conan Godwin
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04-14-2008 11:07
From: Sling Trebuchet
Yeah! But did it not annoy you just a bit that people could cam round it, or fly round the borders, or fly really high and look down on it?

Seriously now!
You know how people can shove a tiny camera on the end of fibre-optic cable right through the keyholes and up into your most private areas!!
Bastards!!!
I think you can get gadgets that block the keyholes.

You should also consider jamming stoppers in to all the sink, shower and bath outlets.
-- and lock the toilet seats down


By-and-large people in real life cannot fly and do not come equipped with fibre optic cameras as standard - so I considered the risk to be small.
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Conan Godwin
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04-14-2008 11:08
From: Dagmar Heideman
Is there a compelling reason why ban line visibility cannot be toggled on and off as a viewer feature?


Possibly LL feel that the lack of a compelling reason for the feature to exist is reason enough for the feature to not exist. Why make more work for themselves unnecessarily. Let's face it, this is a pretty minor issue.
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Hugsy Penguin
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04-14-2008 11:21
From: Princess Ivory
In my home sim, someone just put a whole bunch of land up for sale. There is nothing currently on the land. But they had the red ban lines on!!! It's for sale! How can you walk around and look at the plot if you can't get on it? Duh.

With Havok 4, can't we build above 768 meters now? Isn't it 1024 meters?
Can someone please clarify? Inquiring minds want to know.


I remember one time when a neighbor put their land up for sale. I noticed the yellow on the map, so I clicked on it and then hit Teleport. I ended up in their skybox (because that's where the landing point was still set to) and got a message from their security script telling me I had only so many seconds to leave. I didn't make it out in time before I teleported home. Needless to say, the land didn't sell until he fixed that, lol.

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Smoke Gordonstone
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04-14-2008 11:35
From: Dagmar Heideman
Is there a compelling reason why ban line visibility cannot be toggled on and off as a viewer feature?



That would be a nice feature for when you want a nice view from your place, but your guests would still see it unless you first tell everyone to turn it off when they visit. I usually don't see ban lines until it's too late and I and/or my vehicle are already bouncing off of them. Every once in awhile I catch a glimpse of one before I hit it....but thats rare.
Chris Norse
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04-14-2008 11:40
From: Smoke Gordonstone
. I usually don't see ban lines until it's too late and I and/or my vehicle are already bouncing off of them. Every once in awhile I catch a glimpse of one before I hit it....but thats rare.



Sounds like they need to be made more visible.
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Smoke Gordonstone
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04-14-2008 11:59
From: Chris Norse
Sounds like they need to be made more visible.


I didn't mean it like that....but since you mention it, in some cases, yeah I would prefer it...like flying. In other cases when down on the ground not so much. Theres really no happy medium for it I guess so I'm just babbling now.
Elora Lunasea
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04-14-2008 12:01
I was having a terrible problem with flashing ban lines and being able to see them from the middle my 4096 plot. That was ridiculous. I happened to mention it while a very nice Mentor was helping me with another problem at my land, and he dropped me a notecard with instructions how to get rid of banlines.

If anyone wants them, (duh!) IM me inworld and I'll be happy to forward them to you. He has told me it's ok for me to pass it around.

Might take me a few days to get them to you, but don't dispair. I'm not going to be inworld until Thursday most likely but I won't forget once I'm there :)

Works like a charm. I see NOTHING anymore. Of course, your friends will still see them I'm sure (it is a rewrite in your computer of a line of code) but hey, you're the one who lives there and has to deal with it on a daily basis. Just tell them to use it on their computers and problem solved for all.
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Hugsy Penguin
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04-14-2008 12:25
From: Smoke Gordonstone
I didn't mean it like that....but since you mention it, in some cases, yeah I would prefer it...like flying. In other cases when down on the ground not so much. Theres really no happy medium for it I guess so I'm just babbling now.


The happy medium for me would start with a ban line draw distance setting. Putzing around at home? Set to 0. Flying? Set to max.

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04-14-2008 12:32
From: Hugsy Penguin
The happy medium for me would start with a ban line draw distance setting. Putzing around at home? Set to 0. Flying? Set to max.

--Hugsy


Genuis! I like that. It would require months of testing, a new viewer and 50 other "features" breaking to make it happen, but maybe one day!
Bubba Biberman
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04-14-2008 12:48
I am not a fan of banlines. I think they are broadly offensive and as such...yadda,yadda, yadda.

But I have found a new sport -- banline trampolines. Just fly up over the top of the banlines at 50m then click the stop flying button. You fall to 50m and bounce right back up. And down, and up, and down...
Kitty Barnett
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04-14-2008 12:49
From: Sling Trebuchet
Someone posted in another thread about having a 10 metre wide barren strip inside the boundaries of their (large) parcel.
If the new RC range becomes official, she'll have to lose an additional 6 metre wide strip.
That would be me :).

I still don't see them in the RC, they still don't bother me and I still couldn't care less whether they're there or not.

When I had a new neighbour at my other rental two weeks back, I *gasp* IM'ed him to let him know I'd added him to the access list and to just let me know if he had a partner/friends that needed adding and he added me in return.
Elora Lunasea
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04-14-2008 12:54
From: Kitty Barnett
That would be me :).

I still don't see them in the RC, they still don't bother me and I still couldn't care less whether they're there or not.

When I had a new neighbour at my other rental two weeks back, I *gasp* IM'ed him to let him know I'd added him to the access list and to just let me know if he had a partner/friends that needed adding and he added me in return.


If only things always worked that smoothly. My next door neighbor and I got off to a bad start. We patched things up the other day, I thought very nicely. She even invited me to go out to a jazz club with her and her friends (I had to decline, had my own plans that evening).

I took down my ban lines (which I only put her and her "family" members on my ban list, because of her putting them up to me first) thinking all was well and done with. Nope. She still has them up. Friend or no friend, apparently she is not going to take them down. Hence the need for those ban line termination instructions.
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04-14-2008 13:19
From: Elora Lunasea
I was having a terrible problem with flashing ban lines and being able to see them from the middle my 4096 plot. That was ridiculous. I happened to mention it while a very nice Mentor was helping me with another problem at my land, and he dropped me a notecard with instructions how to get rid of banlines.

If anyone wants them, (duh!) IM me inworld and I'll be happy to forward them to you. He has told me it's ok for me to pass it around.

Might take me a few days to get them to you, but don't dispair. I'm not going to be inworld until Thursday most likely but I won't forget once I'm there :)

Works like a charm. I see NOTHING anymore. Of course, your friends will still see them I'm sure (it is a rewrite in your computer of a line of code) but hey, you're the one who lives there and has to deal with it on a daily basis. Just tell them to use it on their computers and problem solved for all.


Great! Problem solved, people!
Does this mean we can have an end to these whiney threads please?
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Sling Trebuchet
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04-14-2008 13:31
From: Conan Godwin
Great! Problem solved, people!
Does this mean we can have an end to these whiney threads please?


Oh yessss!
Don't ya just hate these threads where people whine about other people who draw attention to the brain-damaged implementation of access restrictions? ;)

What Elora has is almost certainly a set of instructions to replace the standard ban line textures on the hard disk with transparent textures.
This will become a solution to the visual aspects if LL do that replacement as standard.

There are other issues with the current default access restriction regime. Until LL do some intelligent redesign, we'll just have to put up with people whining about people who draw attention to those issues.
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Conan Godwin
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04-14-2008 13:52
From: Sling Trebuchet
Oh yessss!
Don't ya just hate these threads where people whine about other people who draw attention to the brain-damaged implementation of access restrictions? ;)

What Elora has is almost certainly a set of instructions to replace the standard ban line textures on the hard disk with transparent textures.
This will become a solution to the visual aspects if LL do that replacement as standard.

There are other issues with the current default access restriction regime. Until LL do some intelligent redesign, we'll just have to put up with people whining about people who draw attention to those issues.


It's a non-issue. If you're concerned about eyesores, start with the 30ft pink dildo castles. Ban lines are the least of the problems.
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Elora Lunasea
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04-14-2008 14:00
From: Conan Godwin
It's a non-issue. If you're concerned about eyesores, start with the 30ft pink dildo castles. Ban lines are the least of the problems.


Except the ratio of people complaining of dildo castles to ban lines is pretty low.
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04-14-2008 14:10
From: Conan Godwin
It's a non-issue. If you're concerned about eyesores, start with the 30ft pink dildo castles. Ban lines are the least of the problems.


Here's the thing.
Whereas I as a tech can mitigate the visual blight of ban lines in various ways, I recognise that many others will simply have their SL experience ruined by them.
There are others who don't see a problem unless it's a problem for them personally.


I will take your word for it, Conan that your SL is being destroyed by 30ft pink dildo castles.
I will not discount your opinion just because I have never personally encountered a 30ft pink dildo castle in SL, much less enough of them to rate as a more severe blight than ban lines.

Are 30ft pink dildo castles a widespread problem in SL?
Do you have an estimate of the percentage of sims in which 30ft pink dildo castles are noticable?
Is this largely a Mainland problem?


I can't find a reference to 30ft pink dildo castles in JIRA.
I would suggest that you start your campaign there.
..and please do keep us posted on progress
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04-14-2008 14:36
From: Elora Lunasea
Except the ratio of people complaining of dildo castles to ban lines is pretty low.
The ratio of people complaining about ban lines because they actually live next to them is pretty low too and when they do bring it up they usually just want a way to cope with the visual aspect rather than demand their removal.

It's the "explorers" and vehicle users that insist on being able to go where they're not wanted that make most of the noise and want them gone.
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04-14-2008 14:50
From: Kitty Barnett
The ratio of people complaining about ban lines because they actually live next to them is pretty low too and when they do bring it up they usually just want a way to cope with the visual aspect rather than demand their removal.

It's the "explorers" and vehicle users that insist on being able to go where they're not wanted that make most of the noise and want them gone.


I think the ratio of "explorers" to explorers is pretty low.
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Kascha Matova
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04-14-2008 16:22
From: Annabelle Babii
Anyone in my sim with ban lines up gets individually banned from my parcels. If I haveta look at them, so do they.

One of them messaged me to ask why they were banned (my parcel is between theirs and the road) and I explained it. Magically their banlines came down.

Sadly, a lot of these bantards have ban-everyone set....


....and a skybox 300m above where the banlines stop.


Okay, I have a question then, as I have been on both sides of this as I'm sure many have.

The other day a close friend of mine who lives across a narrow channel from me IM'd me and told me to check my property after I was out of state for two weeks and didn't log in because some dufus and his gf had built two skyboxes above our properties and left objects all over the freaking place. There are a total of three of us in that area and they had objects spanning all of our properties.

I didn't receive as much as one IM from either of these two dimwits even to say hello. Last night I flew up to their little shacks and looked around. There were weird azz objects all over the place. I came back down, did a property check, and found nearly 300 objects of theirs taking up prims on my land, and this despite my having building set to group only. I returned their crap, dismantled their huts, and pulled public access, changing it instead to my rather extensive friends list. I only have one person banned, and that's this weirdo that kept on threatening me when I wouldn't send him RL naked pics of myself.

Am I a "bantard"? We AR'd the two mentioned avies. They still have not graced me with a greeting even after I asked them directly why they did this.
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04-14-2008 21:33
From: Kascha Matova
Okay, I have a question then, as I have been on both sides of this as I'm sure many have.

The other day a close friend of mine who lives across a narrow channel from me IM'd me and told me to check my property after I was out of state for two weeks and didn't log in because some dufus and his gf had built two skyboxes above our properties and left objects all over the freaking place. There are a total of three of us in that area and they had objects spanning all of our properties.

I didn't receive as much as one IM from either of these two dimwits even to say hello. Last night I flew up to their little shacks and looked around. There were weird azz objects all over the place. I came back down, did a property check, and found nearly 300 objects of theirs taking up prims on my land, and this despite my having building set to group only. I returned their crap, dismantled their huts, and pulled public access, changing it instead to my rather extensive friends list. I only have one person banned, and that's this weirdo that kept on threatening me when I wouldn't send him RL naked pics of myself.

Am I a "bantard"? We AR'd the two mentioned avies. They still have not graced me with a greeting even after I asked them directly why they did this.


I think you just need to turn on auto-return.

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