No Entry for You!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Part II)

/me waves at Oryx. You are missed more than you know.

EDIT: I guess you've been posting all along. For some reason, I've missed most of them.

Yeeaahhh!!!

Speaking in general:

You can't continue to put this much emphasis on something you have no control over. Regardless of what you think of them, they're not on your property and the only way you can see them is if you run up on them, which there's no reason to do unless you're roleplaying being a kamikaze.

You have a group that complains about ban lines. One part of this group complains they hate seeing these lines. But then the other part of this group complains they don't see the lines therefore crashing into them when out "exploring."

So?

the good news ..

with the new windlight just set your viewer for "sunset"

the intrusive red and orange coloring everything will make the banlines hard to see.

One of the two will still be unhappy.

Well yeah there are people who just like the look of banlines. LL could fix this easily, allow people to turn the sight of them off.

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The other group basically wants the right to go onto ANYONE'S land

Some only want it for long enough to cross that land

Others want it long enough to "explore" someone else's stuff.

They wont put it this way usually because its less defensible than railing against banlines.

And this is one of the reasons I live on an Island estate. I wanted a Covenant stating residential only and not allowing banlines. But, of course, as noted in another thread this morning, that leaves me subject to the whims of the Estate owner. I did research on the owner, and so far am very happy with everything, but who knows what the future may bring?

IMO, this is a powerful argument for zoning on the Mainland. In RL, when we purchase a home, we can be reasonably assured that a club or mall will not open next door. Many neighborhoods have associations and Covenants regulating what owners can do with their property. All these restrictions are disclosed at the time of purchase, so owners can chose to live in an area with restrictions or not. Why wouldn't this work for SL?

don't think LL has the manpower to ensure proper zoning on the mainland if such a thing existed.

Mainland will never be zoned. They don't get involved in private disputes and any attempts at zoning would open a huge Pandora's box.

They don't have the manpower, or inclination to police the Mainland. As it is, right now they rely on residents to AR TOS violations there.

The recent actions against ad farms is as far as LL will ever go. If you want zoning, do what you are doing, rent on an Estate.

Another interesting 'Clairese' word destined to go into the Claire's CLAIRESES Dictionary...being compiled as we speak.

BTW... Check your covenant rules to see if ban lines are dis-allowed. If they are, you got it made. Then YOU can turn in the 'bantards'.

It's a little frustrating when 50% of your property line is bounded by them, effectively meaning you can't fly out that way.

Out of curiosity, is it theoretically possible that you could be surrounded by no entry properties and thus have your own property physically inaccessible? Sort of odd...


I think it would be better if "no entry" turned a property to phantom for people without access rights, but they could still move through it to get somewhere (maybe be unable to stop in a no entry property?). My gripe with no entry properties is more when I get caught in a maze of invisible walls when I'm flying.

Another idea would be to only make the no entry bit only go 20 meters up, and charge more for higher invisible walls (like why to I have to pay more if I want more that 512 meters xy, but people can put up invisible walls that are 1000m tall?

i really really hate banlines

They could put in software limitations that would make bantard activity less frequent. I don't care what other people's properties look like (I'd prefer if everyone didn't build a skyscraper next to me, but I can always build a skybox higher than their scrapers), I'm just sick of bumping into no entry things when I'm flying.

For the record, I also think "security" systems which teleport people home after a couple seconds are close to total BS, and should be regarded as griefing.

Make a house with six sides and a locked effing door if you tend toward misanthropy.

If only banlines could be replaced with different textures - that would help stop some of this moaning.

A big sign reading "No Fat Chix" will do nicely thankyou.

Just stare at the windlight sun. The ensuing blindness solves all display related problems.

Forever.

Perhaps ban lines should be visible to those who put them up.

that is probably the best idea yet

Suzanne you probably don't remember this but long ago you and I had a run in over banlines.

I had a smallish plot 4096 I think. I had brought a family member into SL who had been in a horrific car crash. Learning to build and playing with prims helped her regain her ability to think and problem solve when the doctors were only giving her odds on being able to recover 30% of it (she got it all back eventually). The bad news was at that time having strangers fly too close or even enter the castle would set her into a panic attack. So I put up banlines.

Being creative Suezanne took snapshots of the banlines and put up a huge wall and plastered it with the snapshots of my castle as seen through the banlines (on MY side). On the one hand I thought it was funny as he** on the other I didn't have alot of choices in the matter.

Realise this was in the days before Private Islands and security orbs were not really around yet either.

I do have to say that the banlines now are FAR less annoying than the THICK red lines of that time.

One sore eye is far less painful than two sore eyes


Incidentally, ban lines used to become visible at about 7 or 8 metres distance.
In the latest RC, they become visible at twice that distance.

Someone posted in another thread about having a 10 metre wide barren strip inside the boundaries of their (large) parcel.
If the new RC range becomes official, she'll have to lose an additional 6 metre wide strip.

Not many parcels can facilitate a 10m wide strip of land on all boundaries. Even fewer could afford to sacrifice a 16m wide strip.


I've also noticed the lines flashing intermittently in the latest RC.





Ban lines made visible to the unbanned?
I asked a new neighbour recently why she had ban lines up.
"No I don't"
I talked her through the access settings in her About Land.
"Oh!"

If ban lines have to continue, then they should be visible to those who would normally not see them.
1) They may be unaware that they are turned on
2) If they insist on visually griefing the neighbourhood, then they shoulds at the very least suffer that grief themselves.

The only exception to this should be where the ban is in effect only for listed avatars.

In my home sim, someone just put a whole bunch of land up for sale. There is nothing currently on the land. But they had the red ban lines on!!! It's for sale! How can you walk around and look at the plot if you can't get on it? Duh.

With Havok 4, can't we build above 768 meters now? Isn't it 1024 meters?
Can someone please clarify? Inquiring minds want to know.

The flashing is visible now in 1.18.5 - it's not just the RC viewer. I don't like ban lines, even though I respect the right to restrict access, but really this is just making life more difficult for small parcel owners.

Making ban lines visible to the land owner who enabled them, if they enable them "in general" and not just for specific avatars, is a stroke of genius; it may be the best idea I've heard in a month!

In some cases, it's just misunderstanding. When I was very new in SL, I rented somewhere. I found that there was an "Access list" that I could control, and added my friends to it - just like in real life I'll only give copies of my door keys to a few trusted people.

I didn't realise how horrible it looked until I created an alt and saw the ban lines. I just thought at the time that the norm was to add your friends to your access list if it was a private home rather than a public space. It wasn't done out of malice, just out of newbie ignorance on my part.

You can cam round it, or fly round the borders, or fly really high and look down on it, or contact the current owner to arrange access for a viewing. When I put my real life house up for sale, I still kept the door locked when I wasn't there.

YES!

Yeah! But did it not annoy you just a bit that people could cam round it, or fly round the borders, or fly really high and look down on it?

Seriously now!
You know how people can shove a tiny camera on the end of fibre-optic cable right through the keyholes and up into your most private areas!!
Bastards!!!
I think you can get gadgets that block the keyholes.

You should also consider jamming stoppers in to all the sink, shower and bath outlets.
-- and lock the toilet seats down