No Entry for You!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Part II)

I just noticed that now the Red Ban lines that surround your paranoid neighbor's parcels can be now not only be seen from farther away than ever before, but now they ALSO Blink ON AND OFF NOW!!!!!!!! just to make sure you know that there really is NO ENTRY~~~ FOR YOU...haha

I have a small 1024 oceanfront parcel and my neighbor has access set to only her and a few of her friends, yet, nobody has been on that land for about 2 months.. and I get to see the No Entry Lines from about 10M away in 2 directions, making 630M of the property virtually useless to me. The neighbor does not receive IM's or blatantly ignores them.

What would you do? Sell..even though nobody wants to buy a place where there are ban lines, or would Trash the Area to the point where it becomes a total slum?

Is there a way to turn them off in the Debug Settings or some other way?

You could try setting up some large prim privacy screens a little bit away from your land border. If you get close enough you'll still see the ban lines, but at least they won't be so obvious. If your neighbor is nice to know(when they're in-world), see if you can strike up a "I'll keep an eye on your place if you'll keep an eye on mine(a kind of Neighborhood Watch thing)". That could open the door to each of you adding the other to their Land Access list and you won't see ban lines anymore.

Or keep an eye on their place to see if it goes up for sale or auction. That could take care of the problem right there. Ban lines go down if you really want to sell your land. I don't remember how long land has to seem abandoned before it goes for auction. I'm sure that information is somewhere in this RA.

The only thing that you could do is put a prim against the ban line.
Maybe make it transparent on her side so it's less obvious.

That sucks though, good luck for resolving it

I'm not sure I understand this. Why is 630m of the land useless to you? I imagine you mean your land, no? How does her lines interfere with your usage of your land?

Landscaping (or any alpha-channel bearing texture) is ineffective at blocking banlines, so options are limited. To be honest, Mainland is a lot more suited to skyboxes than ground builds unless one is very lucky with one's neighbors. Otherwise the premium for waterfront is kinda, well, optimistic. (On the plus side, there's a lot more sky up there than there was a week ago, and eventually we'll be able to use that sky in the Editor.)

I haven't had a chance to play with this yet, but I have noticed that in Windlight (which is now in the main client) appears to make the "show property lines" lines shine through walls when you're inside houses. I'm curious whether the same is also true for banlines. If so, putting up prims won't help anymore.

I'm still using the last RC (4) from before the new release.
Property lines do show through prims.
Ban Lines don't.

Anyone in my sim with ban lines up gets individually banned from my parcels. If I haveta look at them, so do they.

One of them messaged me to ask why they were banned (my parcel is between theirs and the road) and I explained it. Magically their banlines came down.

Sadly, a lot of these bantards have ban-everyone set....


....and a skybox 300m above where the banlines stop.

Call me stupid, but I *love* this. It makes it harder to accidently extend a prim outside the parcel.

When I was a mainlander, it seemed like the only parcels with access lists turned on (universal banlines) were the ones where I NEVER saw any greendots on the parcel. It drove me MAD.

My old mainland was constantly popping through people who were getting ghosted search results - TP was set to the ground, they appeared at 760. For some reason setting ban stopped people constantly traipsing through my home when I was there trying to relax and whatever ...

However yes, banlines through your walls is disturbing to say the least. They are through solid prims too now, not just alpha-sorting issues?

This blinking thing is a puzzle to me. With my antiquated system, they only blink sometimes - sometimes they're stable. Are they supposed to blink now? If so, why on earth, any earth?

Are we sure this isn't a glitch? I do have one little banned parcel next door and I've been looking at it and the property lines. The ban lines do not show through prims, but the property lines do, even through my avatar. I thought for a moment the property lines were blinking also, then they stabilized and neither are blinking.

[Edit: so maybe you should just give it time.]

We have more sky now? Is this due to something in the Havok4 server release or something in the Windlight viewer? I've always been able to fly really really high into a very boring void. Does this mean that I can actually build a skybox higher than the 700m or whatever that exact number is and that stuff will actually work that high?

I think the blinking is a glitch.
I see variable results, even with the same set of ban lines.


As for the OP's plight:
If the neighbour is never online or otherwise not open to discussion, there are only three options:
1) Live with the lines. I can offer no advice on how you anyone could manage such an existence.
2) Screen them off with solid textured prims. This is usually ugly, but less ugly than ban lines. For one's own sanity, these would need to be softened at the edges with some alpha elements
3) Move

A variation on 2 is to build with a windowless wall up against the boundary. Whether or not this would be uglier than a solid prim wall depends on circumstances.


On one of my group parcels a while back, a neighbour put ban lines on our boundary which ran up a hillside. He wasn't open to persuasion. His parcel was big enough that he would not have seen any matching personal ban put on him.
We had trees placed fairly thickly on the hill.
So - we made a non-alpha texture from a photo of the existing tree foliage, and used that in a set of solid rectangular prim screens along the boundary. We softened the top and sides with an alpha version of the foliage.
We then put trees on the boundary line so that the 3D foliage softened the flat face of the screens. The neighbour was happy to allow the 3D trees to poke through as they softened the screen for him too.
That worked quite well - as long as you didn't look up.

What made it almost bearable was the use of the same evergreen tree foliage throughout the alpha and non-alpha screens and then mixing in the source 3D trees.



In the longer term, LL will have to change the current access restriction design, even if only to allow people to turn off ban line visibility in View.

You know what? I never thought of this! You're right. They are sitting next to me not having to look at a single ban line. But I am! What's fair in that?

I think I will use this idea in one instance where it is perfect - where I have a small plot that doesn't bother much of anyone, right next to another plot that ALWAYS has their ban lines on.

I think it's time I let the owner of that plot look at ban lines for a while.

coco

P.S. Banlines blink on and off now?

Edit: Though it's true, as Wildefile said, I have never, ever once seen anyone in that property next to me. Oh well, I'm gonna ban em anyhow.

Also, for very evil moments, I made a copy of the "no entry" texture. IM me in world for a copy. People seem to hate having to look at double-density ban lines.

I did exactly that with this property I'm talking about!

I build a shed prop - by "prop," I mean it had no guts. It was just a wall and a bit of slanting roof, as IF there were a shed there.

And I put it in front of the most egregious parts of the ban lines, which are directly in front of my little house on this little lot. The banlines to the sides I just didn't worry with.

But the little shed prop did help a lot.

Now I'm wondering from reading this thread - the ban lines will now show through my shed anyhow?

coco

P.S. Hahahahaha, Anabelle!

Show property lines make the lines show through the ground surface patch too. It's amazingly annoying.

A neighbour on one of my parcels did a false building front on a boundary that had ban lines.
It too has on overhanging roof and balconies below.
From their point of view on their parcel, it works very well.
However the problem with this or any other form of ban-line screening is that it will never look natural in the sim environment.
Any sense of location and neighbourhood is impacted.
But it's the only way to screen ban lines.

Ban lines are a cancer. They breed other ugliness. They give off great waves of unfriendliness.
And a killer is that when the lines disappear - because the owner either got sense or moved, all the ugliness and compromise builds that they bred remains - until the afflicted neighbours redo their builds.
And then another idiot buys a plot in the sim and puts up ban lines.
Rinse, repeat, and throw up.

I'm tired of getting into the ban lines thing but since I'm at work, the kiddies are in their nice cozy cells and we just checked, no one has escaped or hung themselves and I'm on break time and tired of doing nothing, then here I am.

Is this thread just for the "We Hate Ban Lines So We've Gathered To Show Emotional Support To Our Brethren Group?" Or can anyone interject? Either way I will.



Have you hugged a Ban Line today?

They have feelings too.

Having to be Looking at Flashing Red No Entry Lines While I am inside my house means that the parts from where these lines are visible within my property makes those parts useless to me.

How would you like a Barbed Wire Fence inside your Living room RL that you did not put there yourself?

My solution;

Step 1. Take a 20x20 big prim, set it to phantom, place as many as it takes to build a wall between you and the ban lines.

Step 2. Place the freely available "invisiprim" script inside them. If you need a copy IM me in world and I'll drop you one.

Step 3. Sit back and enjoy your ban line free world. The invisiprim script erases the ban lines completly.

Side effects are that it also kills all other alpha textures in range so your neighboor may suddenly find themselves in a house with no walls, from your POV at least.

That's the ONLY rule I have across all my rental land. NO-ONE can use the ban lines.
And not to sidetrack but to belabor the point someone else made, I HATE the new property line view. They invade everything.

I so love my landlord. She forbids ban lines on her sims. They're just ugly and really detract from what could be such a beautiful sim without them. Get an orb already!

There was this one guy that moved on the parcel behind my partner and I with a big castle. He was uber paranoid and wrapped his castle in ugly ban lines. I think he was freaked out that at the time, my partner and I had been rezzing our new house on our parcel and on checking to make sure that everything lined up perfect by hovering around the house, that we accidentally backed over his property line. Those lasted all of a day.

Well anyway the landlord made him take them down. What was so funny was after he removed them, he put a huge sign in his yard facing us that said "Everybody deserves his own private sphere." So the partner rezzed a huge spinning sphere in the backyard just as a joke. He moved shortly after.

On the note of the property view lines...those can be turned off~ Just go to view and un-X the property lines.

A barbed wire fence is tangible and if it is in my living room, it means someone must have killed my dog in order to get in the front door.

Banlines only affect you if allow them . They are not on your land. They do not still your prims.

More sky? Like, higher up? I don't get it...