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Traven Sachs
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05-12-2009 20:25
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eku Zhong
Apocalips = low prims
Join date: 27 May 2008
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05-12-2009 20:29
ok i got kicked using the english viewer but not the japanese viewer,... i dont know how they did that.
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Traven Sachs
Director of Operations
Join date: 21 Sep 2005
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05-12-2009 20:31
its not really racism.. youre right.. but more xenophobia... i get a lot of IM from japanese friends who have shops on japanese sims.. in total panic because someone sent them an IM in english.. it's silly, i know but it is the way ppl are taught to behave. when i first read the OP i was a little ashamed.. but yes Brenda and everyone else is right.. excluding anyone for whatever reason is not only the same.. but also the SIM owners prerogutive (sp???) how about camping chairs with antibot questions in english.. that excludes all the non english speakers.. and help groups for products where someone asks a question in another language and all the english speakers start complaining and slamming the poster .. i see a helluva lot of that actually and i think thats really bad. Hey.. if ya'll wanna come translate stuff - I'd be happy to include it in my products... but I speak -one- language... the one I was taught from birth.. english (if you can call what we speak here in Colorado, USA english LOL). Closest thing I can come to Japanese is babblefish LOL. Frankly if I could include a way for my scripted items to use ALL languages (and it wan't crazy expensive) I would. 悪いオオカミをプレゼント！ (see? LOL) _____________________
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eku Zhong
Apocalips = low prims
Join date: 27 May 2008
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05-12-2009 20:36
warui ookami present??? ooooh i will have one of those hehe
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eku Zhong
Apocalips = low prims
Join date: 27 May 2008
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05-12-2009 20:38
btw it was just the small bar that has the language limitation... i could stand right outside but the minute i went in with the english viewer i was given 5 seconds to bugger off.
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Mondak Slade
Coyote Ranch (CEO)
Join date: 15 Jul 2007
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05-12-2009 20:43
btw it was just the small bar that has the language limitation... i could stand right outside but the minute i went in with the english viewer i was given 5 seconds to bugger off. My GF wasn't given that option, let me tell you, she was upset and thought she did something wrong. Took me half an hour to calm her down lol |
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eku Zhong
Apocalips = low prims
Join date: 27 May 2008
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05-12-2009 20:46
there was a blue popup thingie that said this is a japanese language area you have 5 seconds to leave...
i IM the owner about it.. because it do think it is rather rude. _____________________
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Mondak Slade
Coyote Ranch (CEO)
Join date: 15 Jul 2007
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05-12-2009 20:53
there was a blue popup thingie that said this is a japanese language area you have 5 seconds to leave... i IM the owner about it.. because it do think it is rather rude. SL is my GF's only connection to the world, she is physically disabled due to work related COPD and is unable to go anywhere, so SL is her life and I think it spooked her more than usual to have something like that happen. I'm not trying to get any sympathy here, but people in SL need to put a little more thinking of people with disabilities at times. |
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Phoenixa Sol
Dance Addict
Join date: 31 Aug 2006
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05-12-2009 20:54
Wow. People still use money tree's? Yes they do. The tree I have for new people gets over 100 folks listed on my visitor report every 72 hours. _____________________
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Ian Nider
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Join date: 20 Mar 2009
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05-12-2009 20:57
SL is my GF's only connection to the world, she is physically disabled due to work related COPD and is unable to go anywhere, so SL is her life and I think it spooked her more than usual to have something like that happen. I'm not trying to get any sympathy here, but people in SL need to put a little more thinking of people with disabilities at times. I know a few disabled people that really treasure their social life via the net in general, it's great it's here. |
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Mondak Slade
Coyote Ranch (CEO)
Join date: 15 Jul 2007
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05-12-2009 21:00
I know a few disabled people that really treasure their social life via the net in general, it's great it's here. TY Ian, we have meet more disabled people on SL than anywhere else, Yes it's GREAT ! |
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Phoenixa Sol
Dance Addict
Join date: 31 Aug 2006
Posts: 315
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05-12-2009 21:06
Actually Mondak, sometimes disabled people are in secondlife without ever telling anyone of their RL state.
In fact, 31 years ago on this very day, (May 12, 197  I was hit head on by a drunk driver at a stop sign and paralyzed. Though I regained movement three days later, it was the end of my RL dancing I had loved for over half my life at that point. I was lucky to even graduate high school after that accident. Though life went on, I'd always longed to dance again. Thanks to secondlife, now I can.. albeit through my avatars.Cheers to your gf for keepin on keepin on!! _____________________
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Ian Nider
Seeds
Join date: 20 Mar 2009
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05-12-2009 21:11
TY Ian, we have meet more disabled people on SL than anywhere else, Yes it's GREAT ! I don't actually know anyone on SL, but one girl I knew used text chat and role played herself as having an able body, she loved it. The other was a really old relative who couldn't move out of her chair at all who loved emailing daily animals, silly jokes, to everyone. I also know some people who are quite ill, they have found little groups of friends on forums to talk about their illnesses with, one is a really unusual disease and the other wants the privacy in real life. It is great.  |
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Mondak Slade
Coyote Ranch (CEO)
Join date: 15 Jul 2007
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05-12-2009 21:28
Thanks y'all, ok now that we have gone off on a tangent, I want to here more peep's opinions (yes i'm a glutton for punishment) lol.
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Distilled1 Rush
written in the Pixles
Join date: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 504
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05-12-2009 22:02
Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents into the pool, the other day my RL GF got banned from a sim because she only spoke english? Today we recieved a notecard from reguarding wolfhaven money trees... Quote: From the Wolfhaven Forums: http://forums.wolfhavenproductions.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=49&start=0 I got an IM this morning from a Money Tree Fanatic... he was a bit upset.... [5:47] BD: The tree located at this place kicks people cause they are not Japenese...that is aggravating. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Kcat%20Island/177/110/24 Sooo... I popped over there to investigate. For the record, I was back on my home sim 15 seconds later.... Not a happy individual at this point I popped in at a different point on the sim in question and took a looksee at their money tree... sure enough there was a sign in english next to it that said "Japanese Only..." The tree was owned by one "Name Removed by request". Annoyed at this point I took a look at the sim covenant thinking I'd IM the sim owner... one "Name Removed by request". The covenant stated "Japanese Only". I took a closer look at the sign.. sim owner placed it there. For the record I really despise racial profiling of any kind. So... for the record folks, you will -never- find a Wolfhaven Money Tree on Kcat Island nor one owned by the above two individuals -ever- again. I've banned them, and their elitist racially pure island from the system. Their tree is now GONE (I've killed it). One other thing... if you're in my GOLDEN APPLE PROGRAM (which their tree was) your tree better be fully accessible by the general populace. I don't care how you have your regular tree settings configured. The Golden Apple program is configured so ANY avatar under 60 days old can pick it. Anyone should be able to walk right up to it and stand there and click on the golden apple (unless they've been banned for a legitimately offensive reason - and picking from money trees isn't a reason to ban them from one unless they're a bot). If they can't... I'll be paying you a visit real soon to discuss it. Regards, End Quote: I'm wondering but sounds to me that this boarders on the side of racism a little. based on spoken language. Is this what LL really needs or wants ??? Let the mud slinging begin !!!! Not reading more... Right on ! I make mine and have for 3 years all and payment used back and forth depends on my mood .. but any one can pick unless they did somrthing to be baned from the land, and it sure would not be race, language, type of animal, robot (not bot) etc etc. _____________________
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Pixieplumb Flanagan
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Join date: 10 Feb 2007
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05-12-2009 23:42
I've found this thread interesting and thought provoking.
When I was a small child, my great aunt lived in London, and we would drive up to town to visit her and my cousins. Between where my father parked the car and my aunt's house was a boarding house - that is, a house that rented bedrooms to paying guests. There was a sign in the window at the front that read: No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish. This was in the 1960's. I saw that sign about once a month, and eventually asked my parents about it. They explained that the woman who owned the house did not want residents in any of the aforementioned categories. I was outraged, partly because of the order of lack of preference so to speak, although I understand it was the 'usual' wording, but also because people were banned for an unavoidable fact of birth. My grandfather on my mother's side was Irish, and a gentler, kinder, more sober man you could not have wished to meet. I'm not black, but I will happily use the cliched 'some of my best friends' line, because they are! It is not the language we speak, the colour of the skin we must - in rl anyway - perforce wear, or the culture in which we are raised which makes us good or bad people, clever or stupid, kindly or mean, funny or dull. I think to ban people for any of these reasons, from what is essentially a shop, is shortsighted and mean, although they may do as they wish under the TOS. The UK now has laws against barring people for these reasons - you may still not allow dogs of course (I would sooner have the dogs in many cases) and I wonder if the laws of the land carry any weight withh LL? _____________________
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Ian Nider
Seeds
Join date: 20 Mar 2009
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05-12-2009 23:59
I think acceptance of others comes from inside a person, being forced by law to accept people or beliefs you disagree with is nuts.
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Conifer Dada
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Join date: 6 Oct 2006
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05-13-2009 02:03
The language thing is difficult. I visited a sandbox recently where there where it was stated that people who can't speak English are not allowed.
I've also seen on people's profiles words to the effect 'I only speak English and if you don't speak English get lost!' sort of thing. So it's not surprising if one comes across French, German or Spanish residents who show similar hostility to those who don't speak their language. On the other hand, I recognise that there are difficulties for people running events where people need to communicate but not everyone can understand one another. However, SL is a great place for people to practice using other languages. I can get by in French - often Spanish, German or Italian people who don't know English do understand French, so that can be helpful. And I've yet to encounter a Dutch person who doesn't speak good English! _____________________
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Qie Niangao
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Join date: 24 May 2006
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05-13-2009 05:36
ok i got kicked using the english viewer but not the japanese viewer,... i dont know how they did that. I may have missed some posts in this thread, but I haven't seen anybody mention that the choice of "Japanese only" makes some sense from an immersion standpoint. If a sim is really trying to feel like (most of) Japan, there really wouldn't be many non-Japanese around speaking non-Japanese languages. (I have a sense that this is more true of Japan than any other developed country today.) _____________________
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Kalderi Tomsen
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Join date: 10 May 2007
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05-13-2009 06:32
In a world where we can tp to anywhere in an instant, we are going to be faced with different cultures, different languages. It's important that we recognise that and embrace it.
That having been said, you're going to get all types when the slogan is "Your World, Your Imagination". That includes people who might think less of those who are different from them. Those are the people that I tend to avoid, but I feel they have a right to be in SL, just as anybody has a right to an opinion. In RL I can discriminate based on who I want on my personal property. If I choose to not allow convicted sex offenders close to my property when children are present, or have an issue with functional firearms in my residence, that is my right. Where I work, we try very very hard to cater to many backgrounds and beliefs. It can be tough to converse in an effective way with others who do not speak your language, and I find the translators often do a horrible job with the nuance that you need when dealing with customers on more sensitive issues. We have tried, therefore, to have resources available for as many languages as possible, especially the more common languages in SL, and are still looking for ways to improve that. The price of doing business in a multi-lingual world. Do I feel that the place was right to insta-ban anybody not using the correct language of viewer? No, not at all - I think it's short-sighted and puts up barriers between cultures. But I think it's their right to do so if they want. Remember we haven't heard their side of the story. There may be reasons why they are doing this, and they may not be aware that there are other, less draconian, ways of making what they need happen. But I also agree that the people that supply them with goods (including the money trees) have the right to decide whether or not their goods get associated with that sort of decision. I am glad that they lost their money tree, and applaud the builder for doing that. _____________________
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Joshooah Lovenkraft
Just Joshin'
Join date: 28 Dec 2007
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05-13-2009 09:01
A friend dragged me to the Gossip Girl sims one time which is run by Warner Bros I think. It's considered a PG sim and has paid moderators that make sure no one is naked and isn't using inappropriate language and they help promote GG events and the tv show. We were speaking Swedish to one another (well I was trying to speak Swedish) in open chat and a moderator asked us to speak English only local chat. She was polite and professional about it but I thought this was a really stupid policy but didn't care enough to really make a big issue out of it and just left.
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Traven Sachs
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05-13-2009 10:03
But I also agree that the people that supply them with goods (including the money trees) have the right to decide whether or not their goods get associated with that sort of decision. I am glad that they lost their money tree, and applaud the builder for doing that. I appreciate the applause, but can't say I feel I deserve it. I did not like the decision I was forced to make - but it was a necessary one to preserve the fairness that -must- be inherent in the Golden Apple program associated with the Wolfhaven Money Trees. It truly disturbs me when people create wholely unnecessary barriers (IMHO) that draw artificial lines in the sand... The world (whether in RL or SL needs to draw closer together and stand in unity. It is not my opinion that any one group of individuals has the 'right' or 'wrong' of it in their beliefs, but people should respect that others may be 'different' from them... and may not see things the way they do. I have experienced a vast amount of worldwide culture since coming to SL... I've spoken with people from all walks... all races... and many many different sets of belief systems... I fault none of them for their opinions and I fault none of them for what they are... I take offense however, when a worldview can be so narrowed that one would choose to reject anything else offered as being 'not our way' or 'not right' or 'totally wrong and unacceptable'. This type of inflexibility is what makes it difficult for everyone. There have been many with the dream in the history of the world... to unite all peoples... one world... one race... living together in harmony. The closer we can move toward that goal... the sooner (I believe) the world will be a happier place. _____________________
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Kalderi Tomsen
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Join date: 10 May 2007
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05-13-2009 12:06
I appreciate the applause, but can't say I feel I deserve it. I did not like the decision I was forced to make - but it was a necessary one to preserve the fairness that -must- be inherent in the Golden Apple program associated with the Wolfhaven Money Trees. _____________________
Kalderi, General Manager, Hosoi Ichiba and Hosoi Design
- - - Hosoi Ichiba - High Quality Classically-styled Asian buildings, furniture and home decorations in an old-fashioned Japanese market garden on Japan Kanto. http://hosoi-ichiba.blogspot.com/ Hosoi Design - High Quality prefabs and furnishings, plus commercial buildings. |
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Treasure Ballinger
Virtual Ability
Join date: 31 Dec 2007
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05-13-2009 14:44
SL is my GF's only connection to the world, she is physically disabled due to work related COPD and is unable to go anywhere, so SL is her life and I think it spooked her more than usual to have something like that happen. I'm not trying to get any sympathy here, but people in SL need to put a little more thinking of people with disabilities at times. *Ahem* /me grins. I would love to meet your gf, and perhaps, open up even more of SL to her. Or, perhaps, she is already aware of Virtual Ability? |
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Kyllie Wylie
J-Rocker
Join date: 7 Mar 2008
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05-13-2009 17:09
(Assuming that's not tongue-in-cheek) I'd guess they're using llGetAgentLanguage() which has been kicking around for about a year, mostly unused because it can only know what flavor of viewer is in use, which is not all that predictive of what language the person really wants to see from scripted objects, as it turns out. I may have missed some posts in this thread, but I haven't seen anybody mention that the choice of "Japanese only" makes some sense from an immersion standpoint. If a sim is really trying to feel like (most of) Japan, there really wouldn't be many non-Japanese around speaking non-Japanese languages. (I have a sense that this is more true of Japan than any other developed country today.) That kind of pisses me off, im Japanese but use the english viewer because its what I am used to. I know a lot of other Japanese who also just use the english viewer, its common. especialy with people who were here before the Japanese viewers were introduced in 2007 and had to use english ones. May have to go over there and give the owner a piece of my mind (in Japanese of course). _____________________
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