Banned due to language I Speak?

its not really racism...

If it makes you feel better Rhaorth, I made the same mistake in not separating the quote from the OP's statements.

its not really racism.. youre right.. but more xenophobia... i get a lot of IM from japanese friends who have shops on japanese sims.. in total panic because someone sent them an IM in english..
it's silly, i know but it is the way ppl are taught to behave.

when i first read the OP i was a little ashamed.. but yes Brenda and everyone else is right..
excluding anyone for whatever reason is not only the same.. but also the SIM owners prerogutive (sp???)

how about camping chairs with antibot questions in english.. that excludes all the non english speakers.. and help groups for products where someone asks a question in another language and all the english speakers start complaining and slamming the poster .. i see a helluva lot of that actually and i think thats really bad.

As a newbie, I harvested the money trees a lot. I was very grateful to the folks on a French speaking welcome center that they had a money tree and did my best to be friendly regardless of the language barrier while there. I also sent the owner a thank you note for having the tree as I did with all the other folks who were kind enough to help new people by having a money tree.

Once past the need for money tree harvesting, I frequented many businesses who had trees.

I agree with the Wolfhaven money tree creator for what he did because they were banning all but Japanese speaking people from harvesting from the tree. Those trees on the golden apple program get listed on a board every time someone makes a significant enough donation. (I think the least amount is $10L)

Those who come to the main money tree location look on that board and can click to TP right to the 10 or so trees with the most recent donations.

What a slap in the face to the arriving new members to choose that tree unknowingly. I feel the owner deserved to be barred from participating in a program which increases exposure and traffic for those who have the trees.

As to whatever else they do on their sim and who they will and wont allow, fine. Last I checked English speaking people's $Linden dollars spend the same way as the rest the races, preferences etc of the world who belong to secondlife do, and if they want to shoot themselves in the foot business wise, then so be it.

As long as it's simply wishing to associate with who you want, and not actively doing anything to have a negative impact or inflict harm in any way, I'm fine with it, personally. I know a lot of people in today's world feel that we should be told who we should like, and not like and what to think and all, but I'm not one them. I don't want someone telling me who I can have or not have in my RL home. Same thing.

I think you hit it on the head, my GF saw your comment and she yelled out a TY to you

I think is one of the few times where I disagree with Brenda. In RL if you have a public place, say a shop you are still not allowed by law (in at least a few of the countries I know of, including mine) to refuse entrance solely based on race. You can choose on an individual basis who to let in or not and that might (known only to you) be based on race but if you specify it as a policy clearly in writing for all to see then you are breaking the law (as stated dependent on where you live).
This is no different to owning your own land in SL, yes for the most part you as land owner can do almost anything you want except when you butt up against LL's or RL's laws.
If it is not against LL's policy to clearly state intent to and then carry out a policy of discriminating based on solely by race when you have a place that is open to the general SL populace then it certainly should be.

Let me just say that I have nothing against people in Japan, or anyone from any place for that matter, I was in Osaka for a year and fell in love with the culture, I got hooked on Anime and Sushi with wasabi, yummy !
I can understand the sim owner and their actions.

But the instant Boot (and I do mean Instant!) from the sim the minute you arrive may cause someone to be a little disheartened.
I can't repeat the words my GF said when she got the boot, but made me think how lucky some of us that are a little more open minded can exist in this world.

How are they doing a instant boot? Checking for the language setting of the client with a bot? I don't remember any of the LSL returns that show language of the client though.

How are they doing a instant boot? Checking for the language setting of the client with a bot? I don't remember any of the LSL returns that show language of the client though.

What about using translators anyway?

Wow.

People still use money tree's?

Most translators are not 100% accurate, you loose some translation due to misspells and such and can be annoying enough to be useless, I usually have Simbolic translator on, which is pretty good but a few misspelled words can turn a good experience bad real quick.
But that's just my experience so far...

Fair enough, but how much translation do you need for a money tree. I am not sure what they are, but am thinking some form of camping chair thing?

Helloooo

Ok first off... I'm the creator of the Wolfhaven Money Trees... (yes folks still use them LOL)

Let me clarify something here.... the current version of the Wolfhaven Money Trees have what is called a "GOLDEN APPLE". This golden apple is contributed to voluntarily by ALL the folks who participate in the program. It appears at random on one of the participating trees every 24-48 hours (roughly). The person who 'picks' (by clicking) the golden apple gets ALL the funds that have been contributed to it since it was last collected.

Only avatars 60 days or younger can click it successfully.

Now... since the money tree (that was the topic of this discussion) was in fact in a place where only a certain group could actually 'go' it gave that group an unfair and selectively 'biased' advantage IF the golden apple should appear at that particular tree.

I can't (and won't) allow that. Had the owners of that particular money tree -not- been in the golden apple program, I would have let matters stand. As long as its within their own slectively biased community and they're only affecting themselves, I can ignore it and not feel guilty about it. Since, however, the Golden Apple is a grid wide (potentially) program, I can not allow someone to participate that is in any way putting their own 'spin' on things by excluding one group of individuals over another.

For the record, the Wolfhaven Money Tree has been in SL since 2005, and it is a device that allows someone to help new users to SL to obtain some 'starter cash' without camping, and without strings attached. It is designed to only allow avatars of 60 days or younger to 'harvest' the virtual fruits and 'dollars' off of it. Once you pass that age, you can't collect anymore. The owner (or other folk who choose to donate to the trees) tells the tree how much money it can turn into fruit, the fruit grows, and newbies get to pick the fruit.

I have put a couple hundred hours of programming into the system over the years... including making the system fairly bot proof (yes some genius made a bot program to pick from them)... I even ran things past Linden Labs and obtained their approval before initiating the Golden Apple program. (I didn't want anyone to mistake the trees for some odd gambling system.) I sell the tree for L$1 at my main store... anyone can set one up, and there is even a website to track the trees in world at http://moneytree.wolfhavenproductions.com.

I will not, however, tollerate anyone violating the spirit of what the Money Tree conecpt is about. Several have tried, and they're now treeless. Wolfhaven Productions reserves the right to REMOVE any Wolfhaven Money Tree being used for nefarious purposes. They have ONE true purpose for newbies - to help them. They have ONE true purpose for their owners... to help them get "First Exposure". Remember.. the newbie you help today, may be the customer that comes calling tomorrow.

Helloooo

Ok first off... I'm the creator of the Wolfhaven Money Trees... (yes folks still use them LOL)

Let me clarify something here.... the current version of the Wolfhaven Money Trees have what is called a "GOLDEN APPLE". This golden apple is contributed to voluntarily by ALL the folks who participate in the program. It appears at random on one of the participating trees every 24-48 hours (roughly). The person who 'picks' (by clicking) the golden apple gets ALL the funds that have been contributed to it since it was last collected.

Only avatars 60 days or younger can click it successfully.

Now... since the money tree (that was the topic of this discussion) was in fact in a place where only a certain group could actually 'go' it gave that group an unfair and selectively 'biased' advantage IF the golden apple should appear at that particular tree.

I can't (and won't) allow that. Had the owners of that particular money tree -not- been in the golden apple program, I would have let matters stand. As long as its within their own slectively biased community and they're only affecting themselves, I can ignore it and not feel guilty about it. Since, however, the Golden Apple is a grid wide (potentially) program, I can not allow someone to participate that is in any way putting their own 'spin' on things by excluding one group of individuals over another.

For the record, the Wolfhaven Money Tree has been in SL since 2005, and it is a device that allows someone to help new users to SL to obtain some 'starter cash' without camping, and without strings attached. It is designed to only allow avatars of 60 days or younger to 'harvest' the virtual fruits and 'dollars' off of it. Once you pass that age, you can't collect anymore. The owner (or other folk who choose to donate to the trees) tells the tree how much money it can turn into fruit, the fruit grows, and newbies get to pick the fruit.

I have put a couple hundred hours of programming into the system over the years... including making the system fairly bot proof (yes some genius made a bot program to pick from them)... I even ran things past Linden Labs and obtained their approval before initiating the Golden Apple program. (I didn't want anyone to mistake the trees for some odd gambling system.) I sell the tree for L$1 at my main store... anyone can set one up, and there is even a website to track the trees in world at http://moneytree.wolfhavenproductions.com.

I will not, however, tollerate anyone violating the spirit of what the Money Tree conecpt is about. Several have tried, and they're now treeless. Wolfhaven Productions reserves the right to REMOVE any Wolfhaven Money Tree being used for nefarious purposes. They have ONE true purpose for newbies - to help them. They have ONE true purpose for their owners... to help them get "First Exposure". Remember.. the newbie you help today, may be the customer that comes calling tomorrow.

The only thing that matters to me is how people behave. So, only their behaviour will get them banned from my place. Unfortunately that won't even stop them from picking from my tree, since that is too close to a Linden road. Anybody can stand on that road and pick from the tree.

my reason for PIOF is I do not want it picked clean by bots (and it does happen which is why I took the tree down eons ago).

People of any language are welcome to my business, the same as sexual orientation but people also have the right to exclude others, their choice.