How to prove you are not a minor in SL?

Fraud charges for the kids

Negligence or Contributing to the delinquency of a minor for the parent

Small fines and/or community service would make them reconsider letting the computer/tv/game console raise the kids for them

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Is there a reason you don't want the kids and parents to be held responsible for their actions?

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It all reminds me of chewing out the stores when mommy buys little 12 year old johnny GTA... the kid can't afford the game on most allowances, much lest the game console or tv. Usually an adult, quite often the same parent complaining, bought it for him without doing the parental duty of actually reading the box and looking at the big ol M on the front

The reason drug companies invented Child Proof Lids was to make it hard for kids to open medicine bottles, since no parent can watch their kids at all moments. People do sleep.

Of course parents should watch their kids, but be realistic, many parents are out of the house for 8 or more hours a day. Some kids are alone a few hours a day, because parents can't afford babysitters. Lots of parents have no idea how to password protect their computer. Kids are also subject to peer pressure and some kids are old beyond their years.

What do you want, millions of kids and parents with criminal records? I'll agree parents need to be educated, but it would be practical for SL to be as kid proof as possible to begin with.

The judge asks the parent why did your kid access the SL mature grid?

The parent says, "I try to watch him, but he sneaks on the computer when I am asleep." or "I am at work 10 hours a day and can't afford to pay a sitter for the three hours after school and he is 15 years old....why does SL make it so easy for a kid to lie about their age and access such filth? Do they want to pay my babysitter? Now my 14 year old kid is engaged to be married to a 48 year old truck driver in Montana and laughing about it."

You really want the parent and kid to be charged with a crime? And families broken up? Are parents supposed to rule their kids every move? Is that even possible or desirable? Are you going to arrest computer illiterate people now, because they don't know how to put a password in their Bios? Arrest the 48 year old truck driver when he didn't know it was a tricky and smart kid he was talking to?

Wouldn't it just be better to make sure kids can't access it to begin with?


Sorry, but people making money with online sites containing hardcore porn, SL included, need to own up and stop putting it off on the parents, as though they don't have any responsibility in the matter. If they can't stop kids from getting onto their porn site, then maybe they should take some social responsibility for what they are doing and invest some money in better ways to ensure kids can't access their stuff. Maybe adults need to accept some "Orwellian" controls, since they love their porn so much. Age Verification has to be real not a joke.

Maybe if adults, really care they would be willing to truly prove they aren't underage if they want that porn so bad.

Society: "Sending in my proof of identity takes up too much time away from my porn viewing and is too much like Big Brother is watching."

$Porn Kings$: "It's not my responsibility, its the parents, its' society. They just love their (my) porn. I am providing a $$service$$. If they can't watch their kids then too bad."

LL: "We have no control over the porn in SL, the number of lurking perverts, lying children or what child can access Second life. It's in our TOS. We are doing the minimum required by law. Doesn't matter that they have age verified their household pets and it got through the system."

Kid: I just love to sneak onto Second life and see what adults get to do.

What became of the kids that don't do any mischief because they know that if they do they will get the lashing/trashing of their life?

Bottles which I opened at the age of 4 and my son could open at the age of 2. Yeah, it makes it harder, for all the first two years of a child's life. Parents still have to be smart enough to put the darned bottles OUT of the reach of kids. The lid is just to keep the pharmaceuticals from getting sued by parents for little precious getting into the bottle they had no business being in. Which is exactly what the idea of IDV is about, putting the blame right back on the parents where it SHOULD be.

Password protect the computer. Remove it to your personal bedroom if you have to, to keep the brat from getting online while your asleep. Better yet, block the internet connection during that period of time. It's not rocket science.. it's simply putting the thing outta the reach of the kid.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if I caught my son in SL before he was old enough to be, I'd not only tan his hide, I'd take his computer apart, bury/burn the pieces and then password the network. I wouldn't blame Linden Labs, because I fell down on the job. After all, they didn't spawn my kid, I did.

Sheesh kids have their own computers today?

There you have one part of the problem.

We are still around and dillegently look out for our kids now in hopes that they will grow up and do the same.

I remember as a kid some of the kids I hung around with had no real rules. I was to be in when the street lights came on.. they could stay out as late as they like. I guess it just keeps going that way as generations are born.

I always had to open them f'r my RL mommy.

Mari

As stated those child proof caps are not child proof but child resistant (till they turn about 4 or 5)

Making the kid face consequences for their actions is bad in your eyes?

Making the parent understand simple precautions like passwording the computer so little precious can't get on when they are not home or up are what they should be doing.

As I said quite often a court can make you do community service and not have it go on your permanent record as guilty (Or even make the parent's take classes on child care and computer use so they know as much as the kids and understand their responsibilities)

When you take steps to make it at least reasonably hard for children to do something you do your part, the parents have to do their part.

Age verification can easily be falsified by a kid getting his parent's driver license or social
There are ways around the payment verification as well

Short of technology or techniques that are overly invasive or outright detrimental to commerce will fail and be rejected by most people.

But companies making reasonable (and in many cases exceeding the mandated laws) while parents do their part.

Like the video games - Little Bob didn't buy the 500-700$ computer, he doesn't pay the $40/mth dsl fee... mommy and daddy do. So they are also responsible for seeing to it he understands the limits of the online world as much as the real world. It's like the video stores with the back room, signs say none under 18. Your kid goes in, they get kicked out of the store. Can you sue or raise a stink because little Bob saw nudie pictures on the video boxes after opening a door with a sign he can read?

Not Criminal Charges for entering Second Life.





And you are worrried that LL can't build a better mousetrap, but you think you can legislate parents who can read their kids minds and spend every moment with them in a society that has Mickey Mouse Club girls stripping for magazines? Good Luck.




I wouldn't be opposed to a computer classes to learn how to protect kids from the internet, maybe that can be paid for by those who make money by offering hard core porn online?




Fine but lets not get carried away with criminal violations to children or bewildered parents.



Of course a kid can trick the website or SL as it is. That's is why some better way to verify needs to happen.





If people are supposed to care about age, then why would they reject a better way even if it meant a little effort?

Nope, charges for fraud, falsifying information, and well you know let them understand that those are serious things... so when they do turn 18 it's known those are ways to get in big trouble. It's a good way to let them and all others understand they are ultimately responsible for their actions.





I'd prefer them have laws being enforced to make them take responsibility for their kids and actions (or lack of action) , versus having someone's morality forced upon others through laws.

A parent can do their duty with simple tools available to them, IF they actually sit down and parent.



First one - talk to the kid and set limits. Talk to the isp. If you don't understand the technology the kid wants, learn about it before you allow it into your home. It's called being an informed parent.



If a kid commits a crime, should they be shrugged off. Basically teaching them it's okay to break the law till they are a grown up and suddenly have several years behind bars? Or make them do some community service and understand there are consequences. Same with making the parents grow up and understand kids are a huge responsibility and letting some device raise them isn't going to cut it.



Any system is going to be tricked. Reasonable, not excessive is the key. Make it reasonably hard and people will not worry and go through it. Make them submit a photocopy of a birth certificate to use and online service and they will not do it. Signed forms, can be forged or outright lied on. There is no fool proof system, short of implants in the entire world population.

And what happens when a kid forges a signed verification, punishment of the companies that relied on the data supplied? Or making the kid face the consequences of his/her actions.




Because of one key fact - if an entertainment is made unrealistically annoying to participate in then the masses will not participate.

Do you think people would go to a park if they had to get a signed affidavit of age to be able to enter part of it, and sign a waver of responsibility every time they entered the park in general?

I figure I dont need to prove it, I just have to have SL accept what I say. Now if I have to send info to LL I probably would but I will never take part in IDV.

But you expect parents to watch their kids and if they don't then punish them and the kids but you are saying people won't care enough to prevent kids from getting into SL and LL shouldn't need to institute better verification methods?

I expect parents to be parents.

Corporations and governments are not responsible for raising people's children for them.

If I lie and trick a system to get into a service I shouldn't then I face jail and fines. Making the same rules apply to the little innocents that lie and trick a system, but with lesser penalties teaches them what the parents don't... right from wrong.

The current verification systems (once it is out of 'beta' < key word there about it's functionality) are more than sufficient in the eyes of most (and quite a few are already complaining about them as is)

Want and idea... create a poll, and ask the population on the forums if they want LL to implement a system that is even more invasive or requires them to send in documentation in order to access the grid.