How to prove you are not a minor in SL?
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Marianne McCann
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05-08-2008 12:34
From: Colette Meiji Guess that about sums it up.
After that we are going to go after any Swing Set playgrounds that contain wood. Those splinters are hurty. You'll find very few wooden or exposed metal ones in public playgrounds nowadays. Most bits is plastic nowadays, with a soft rubberized ground. Totally no fun. Mari
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Oryx Tempel
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05-08-2008 12:35
From: Marianne McCann You'll find very few wooden or exposed metal ones in public playgrounds nowadays. Most bits is plastic nowadays, with a soft rubberized ground. Totally no fun.
Mari Especially if you live in Arizona, where your skin melts to the plastic. Mmmm.. the smell of fried kid. 
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MortVent Charron
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05-08-2008 12:36
From: Rebecca Proudhon If there is less then desirable manufacturing, I would bet that courts have said yes in the past. But isn't it wise for the saw maker, to make the saw safer to prevent injury and avoid those lawsuits? When you undo the safety bar on a saw or tape the safety guide up, you are willing disabling the safety mechanism and ignoring the warning signs. There is no way to build a device that will prevent people from choosing to use them improperly or to find ways to bypass them. Which is why there is a the covenant on the box and the warning labels: Manufacturer is not responsible for misuse of this equipment
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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-08-2008 12:37
From: Ann Launay Within reason. Some of the SL verification schemes you've mentioned are far from reasonable. Edit: *shakes fist at Oryx* Did I mention sending in DNA yet? Honestly I don't think a mail correspondance to LL, 1 page form signed by a Bank Officer saying "Yep this person is over 18" is too radically strange or unreasonable. If what we've seen so far with the age verification is the best that can be done, then the whole thing is bound to get into problems later, considering the kind of things that go on in SL.
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MortVent Charron
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05-08-2008 12:40
From: Rebecca Proudhon and with facebooks popularity how will all that work, when there are reports of people verifying using their pet's name and fake info? About as well as any system of verification short of an implanted chip in the person read by the computer to verify the person , pulling from a world wide database.
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Marianne McCann
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05-08-2008 12:43
From: Oryx Tempel Especially if you live in Arizona, where your skin melts to the plastic. Mmmm.. the smell of fried kid.  Oh ya, or where I grew up IRL. Would get roasty-toasty in the Summertime! From: Rebecca Proudhon Honestly I don't think a mail correspondance to LL, 1 page form signed by a Bank Officer saying "Yep this person is over 18" is too radically strange or unreasonable. I personally think that is unreasonable. Mari
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Ann Launay
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05-08-2008 13:35
From: Marianne McCann I personally think that is unreasonable.
Me too.
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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-08-2008 13:41
From: MortVent Charron About as well as any system of verification short of an implanted chip in the person read by the computer to verify the person , pulling from a world wide database. Well if these self proclaimed digital wunderkids can't devise a better way and they enrage the world and investigation turn up all manner of weirdness in SL, then they will look kind of stupid won't they?
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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-08-2008 13:42
From: Marianne McCann I personally think that is unreasonable. Mari I would just classify it as a necessary pain in neck.
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Adz Childs
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05-08-2008 13:54
From: Oryx Tempel ...Seriously though, this sort of statement makes me rethink about voting for the democrats this year. The government never was meant to be our keeper and/or nursemaid; when is Congress going to realize that? *blinks*.... this jerk is a Republican, naturally. What planet are you on?
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MortVent Charron
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05-08-2008 13:59
From: Adz Childs *blinks*.... this jerk is a Republican, naturally. What planet are you on? Don't forget, all politicians use "for the children" as the rallying cry to limit honest folks from doing things they dislike
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MortVent Charron
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05-08-2008 14:05
From: Rebecca Proudhon Well if these self proclaimed digital wunderkids can't devise a better way and they enrage the world and investigation turn up all manner of weirdness in SL, then they will look kind of stupid won't they? Or parents can actually use the tools they have to control their kids? I want to see a law ... oh wait I want the DAs to start filling contributing to the delinquency of a minor charges on parents for their kids committing fraud in order to get into places they should not online. Or even fine them for negligence in not using the tools built into all computers that allows them to control what can be done when they are not at home.
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Marianne McCann
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05-08-2008 14:06
From: Rebecca Proudhon I would just classify it as a necessary pain in neck. The current ave verification is a pain in the neck; I would not expect measures any stronger than is requires for RL me to surf the web or read whatever newsgroups I wish to, or any other internet-based content of an adult nature.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-08-2008 14:40
From: Marianne McCann The current ave verification is a pain in the neck; I would not expect measures any stronger than is requires for RL me to surf the web or read whatever newsgroups I wish to, or any other internet-based content of an adult nature. Agreed. Any site, game , or whatever the description of the week is that required anything more would not be one I'd visit. It's ludicrous.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-08-2008 14:43
From: Adz Childs *blinks*.... this jerk is a Republican, naturally. What planet are you on? There are plenty on both sides of the aisle.
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Oryx Tempel
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05-08-2008 15:07
From: Adz Childs *blinks*.... this jerk is a Republican, naturally. What planet are you on? LOL well I never did look him up. Just seemed like sort of a democratish thing to do. Well, live and learn. Don't trust ANY of them! 
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Conan Godwin
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05-08-2008 16:34
From: Sindy Tsure Lovely.
Strange that the honerable congrassman neglects to mention that these kids have to lie to get in then actively seek out these things he's trying to prevent them from getting at. We need to decide whether kids are responsible for their own choices or not. If so, then they should be allowed to smoke, drink, drive, vote and have sex as much as they like. If not, then we cannot hold it against them if they do things we think are a bit naughty. We can't have it both ways. It's got to be one or the other.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone hateful much? dude, that was low. die. .
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Brenda Connolly
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05-08-2008 16:40
From: someone Strange that the honerable congrassman neglects to mention that these kids have to lie to get in then actively seek out these things he's trying to prevent them from getting at.
It's impossible for a Congressman to accuse someone else of lying. If they try, their heads explode.
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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-08-2008 18:41
From: MortVent Charron Or parents can actually use the tools they have to control their kids? I want to see a law ... oh wait I want the DAs to start filling contributing to the delinquency of a minor charges on parents for their kids committing fraud in order to get into places they should not online. Or even fine them for negligence in not using the tools built into all computers that allows them to control what can be done when they are not at home. Why not. They can't meet their trailer mortgage anyway.
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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-08-2008 18:53
The thing is, that regardless how obnoxious that article is, the only real lie being told is that there are 650,000 users of Second Life.
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MortVent Charron
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05-08-2008 18:53
From: Rebecca Proudhon Why not. They can't meet their trailer mortgage anyway. It's called making them take back some of the responsibility of being a parent/guardian. Too many times it's never the child's fault in any way that they went out and did something they shouldn't have. It's never the parent's fault for allowing the child to do what they want and run wild. Recently some parents in my area met a DA that isn't going to blame the owner of a dock by the river for their kids having beer out there late at night. The parents are now having to explain to a judge why they let the kids run free at 2 am on a weeknight with a truck they are not licensed (much less old enough) to drive. Especially since the kids got the beer from home. The system is not perfect, it's being tweaked and worked on. But no system short of Orwellian systems will be perfect. And the government had to consider the impediment to commerce. Make it so that it's too much aggravation for the public to use a service and they will not use it. Look at how many consider the current system LL uses to be too much of a bother on age and payment verification.
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Adz Childs
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05-08-2008 19:03
From: Oryx Tempel LOL well I never did look him up. Just seemed like sort of a democratish thing to do. Well, live and learn. Don't trust ANY of them!  Oh i see... so when a Democrat does something like this, Democrats are to blame. When a Republican does it, all politicians are to blame. Oh well never mind. I'll go back to fighting the War on Christmas now.
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http://slnamewatch.com — Second Life Last Name Tracking — Email Alerts — Famous People Lookup — http://adz.secondlifekid.com/ — Artificial Boy — Personal Blog From: Tofu Linden Hmm, there's nothing really helpful there, but thanks for pasting.
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Rosey Richez
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05-08-2008 20:13
Well unfortunatly I live in this guys district LOL
He is all over the place on all the issues he supports. Just got a phone call today telling me to call him about people being foreclosed on and congress bailing out Wall Street. Bunch of crap.
I remember being a kid/teenager (wasn't that long ago LOL) and doing what I wanted regardless of what people said or did to try and stop me. I don't believe kids belong on the main grid but I do think no matter what is done there is always going to be some to slip thru the cracks. We just have to be responsible adults and be more careful on who we share our SL with. JMHO!!
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MortVent Charron
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05-10-2008 10:26
Here is a news story that can help with ideas for linden labs: http://www.money.co.uk/article/1000390-13-year-old-steals-dads-credit-card-to-buy-hookers.htmkey point is the kid being charged for fraud Start filing charges against some of those that raise a stink about their precious lying to get onto the adult grid.
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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-10-2008 21:31
Jail terms for the parents.....? Maybe some waterboarding.
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