Please read and let me know if I'm crazy or right

Now let me get this straight... they buy land in the middle of yours then have the nerve to complain about your builds that were already there when they made the land purchase?

If that is the case then yeah the idiots need to be told to go take a flying frack and then need to be banned and muted. Don't ever give in to extortion.

I've always known this to be the rule too.

if you sell your land and give these two punks what they are after, you'll simply encourage more of the same behavior. i trust this isn't the first time they've pulled this stunt. this is the act of professionals. fight back boy!

Yeah 3Ring's right. Screw those guys. Hold out, be strong. Eventually they'll get sick of sitting on the tier and either sell at a reasonable price or abandon to LL, in which case you can petition to have it sent up for sale again.

being in the middle of his current holdings, he'll have first dibbs, right?

If LL was judicious, he might. Hold no expectations and you cannot be disappointed. I only wish I were being sarcastic.

As each plot is 512m (or smaller), if LL bans the people and reclaims the land, then yes, a land owner completely surrounding a 512m plot can summit a Support Ticket to purchase the land directly from LL (There may also be other avenues to go through as well,but I don't know them. Asking Live Chat would be a good thing here to find out what you need to do.)

It was brought up recently (and forgive me, I can't find where), that land over 512m is exempt from this clause. I would surmise that LL feels that auctioning off plots over 512m can make them more money than simply selling to one surrounding it at market prices.

However, since the OP owns enough property to be part of Concierage, he may be in another field altogether.

Best advice: When (If) the property becomes owned by Govenor Linden, start the ball rooling and start asking LL how to purchase it. Don't wait for it to turn purple for auction.

Also, if LL tells you that they will not sell direct, and that the land is going up for auction, talk to a major land baron (with a good rep), and express your desire for the land. Talk prices and what you would pay for the plots. Since they buy in bulk, and are very well versed at the auctions, they may be able to get the land cheeper that you could, easier, and sell it to you for an immeadiate profit as they will have a buyer waiting. Win-Win for everyone involved. ^.^

~Jessy

Just wanted to say, Popo, that finally visited the property in question and I love your build! This is the kind of thing that LL should be encouraging, not hassling, if they really want SL to be a unique, creative place. I wouldn't want to live in the middle of it, but I didn't choose to buy a property in the middle of it either!

What seems ridiculous to me is that they have issues with your phantom walls blocking the griefer extortionist 'real estate' person, but I see that you have a neighbor on a bordering property who has put up ginormous mega prim walls against your property that are NOT phantom, and this person is allowed to keep his walls. From what I understand those larger giant prims can cause stabililty problems if they're not phantom.

Clearly the Lindens need to get their act together and figure out what's important to enforce and how to go about it consistently.

Well I wanted to visit the sim - but apparantly I am banned from the region - can't think why????

Cat x

Make sure you click on the eastern side of left of heaven sim. the western edge is a condo development and he might have it set to group. There are only a few people banned because of griefing. To rule it out, go to bishops wall sim and head west. Let me know if you still can't get in.

Update: No ruling yet but one of the Realtors has the land for sale. Still a few griefers left nearby and one Realtor in the main part of the development. I am still going to push for an official ruling so I know for future reference in case the situation is revisited and to decide if it's worth sticking around.

Just for future reference, you can "Mute" the residents who put down the particle poofers and you won't see them. You could also turn off your particles in Preferences.

I also had a situation where my neighbor had my land blocked off with ban lines, my piece right in the middle of all her land. A Live Helper came and explained to her that she couldn't have ban lines surrounding my property, so Ordinal has it right, unless the rules have been changed in the past year or so.

I bought a 1024m place that had phantom prims on two sides that allowed the person inside to look out and not see the wall. Every time I moved my camera snapped outside of the "box" and took me to the other side (I didn't want to be looking outside, I wanted to be looking inside my own land). The side that couldn't see in and therefore couldn't see what I was doing. Didn't matter in my case since two sides were open and I looked in that direction to continue what I was doing, and I knew that the two walls would be taken down when I was done.

Maybe something was wrong with my system that caused me this problem. I only have my experience to go on.

{edit in to ask: I see you in this thread also Qie, what where those walls you put up that messed with my camera? I have a feeling that they are not the normal type of wall and that is why I had a different experience than others with their camera staying on their own land }

Linden Response: Hi there - after batting it around a bit, the final decision is: walls are fine, provided they are transparent on the other person's side and phantom so that it doesn't, technically, restrict movement in and out of their parcel (although ban lines would do that). Go ahead and put them up if that's what you need, I'm noting this on your account. Thanks for your patience.


YAY! I've asked also to see if this is now the standard or if only to deal with the one realtor. There is two that I've had to do this with and I also want to find out so you all can know too.

I'll post that too once I know.

Sorry, Lexxi, I missed this before. The walls you mention were "invisi-prims" that hide any textures behind them with alpha-channel transparency. But I'm not sure about the whole cam thing--the invisi-prim walls were phantom, but AFAIK "phantomness" has nothing to do with how the cam behaves. Different kinds of transparency can confuse the default cam position sometimes, and exotic shapes like skews, tapers, cuts, twists, etc., will totally mess up the "grabbing point" when you drag to pan/zoom the cam, easily pulling the cam off to never-neverland. And because those invisi-prims were also megaprims, they were cut and dimpled, leaving the prim's origin far from the substance of the prim, so that may have been what was causing the problem.

Popo, keep in mind that you're in the position of power here. YOU CAN OUTWAIT THEM.

They're doing this to make money. They want you to buy them out. Your alternative is to do your best to ignore them ... focus your efforts on the periphery, put up a few buildings to block the view without surrounding completely, etc.

And wait until they get sick of paying tier on a property of no value to them and pretty much unsellable to anyone else except at a bargain.

Meanwhile, keep a tally of tier they have to pay to amuse yourself with. Take the long term view, and have fun. Find ways to be extra nice, just for the fun of it, while minimizing the effect of their grief.

Remember, the thing a griefer wants most is to annoy you. If you don't get annoyed, you take all their fun away. Of course, periodically AR the stuff that needs to be cleaned up. Resist the urge to counter-grief -- YOU live there, THEY don't, so you'll lose that battle.

And the thing a businessman wants most is profit. Holding land is unprofitable!

How much is tier on this size lot? Do the math and find out how long you'd have to wait to eat up all the profit at their current price. It's unlikely to go that long unless they're really more interested in spite than profit, but it gives you an idea of the upper bound on your wait time. Could you last that long?

JMHO.

These things are totally irrelevant, other than attesting to your good intentions. The important facts are that they are griefing you, you're just trying to protect yourself from it, and you'd be happy to work out any kind of reasonable resolution. Make sure to stress that last point with LL. Be willing to do things to help promote the visiblity that the land is for sale. Act as though they might have a reasonable business interest here, although they aren't acting that way.

They do have all the right in the world to buy up parcels they know you'll want and try to get the highest price from you, or to give you incentives to move elsewhere if they really do want to buy your portion. That's not griefing. The griefing is all the other stuff you've mentioned.

LL really needs to review the rules about this. There is no easement, especially since people can teleport onto their own land. It should not matter anymore whether or not you can access your land by walking onto it - a griefer should not have the right to enter land he is banned from merely because he is surrounded by it, when he can teleport in.

Further, the prims were phantom, so theoretically, the "realtors" could have walked off their own land and onto yours without impediment. They just didn't like the view. Since LL is not in the business of zoning, they shouldn't entertain ARs on phantom screens that do not encroach onto others' property because the other landowner doesn't like the view. You buy the land, not the view. LL had no business taking down your screens, IMO, and their customer service people need new guidance about these issues.

Popo's update above says the Lindens have agreed with you. Walls surrounding someone's land is allowed.

Sorry I missed that, thanks Ava.

They don't agree with me completely - no one has the right to enter other people's land, not when you can teleport from place to place and onto your own property. The entire "no access to the parcel" rule needs to be abolished because there is no such thing now as not having access to a parcel that you own. It is an antiquated rule that needs to be taken off the books.

And as for not liking the view - tough shit. The fact is, the realtors hate his zombie city. Popo might be doing them a favor by putting up a hilly landscape scene that obscures the view. Who are the Lindens to say what should be on that side of the screen, so long as it's not offensive (like the spinning middle finger, porn, or offensive text)? If they want to get into regulating views, they need to get into the zoning business. Don't want to zone? Don't tell me what I can put on my screens beyond the Community Standards.