Is gambling now banned in SL?

Guessing "troll" on this Thread.

Yes i tried it awhile ago, spent over 150 USD on gun,equipment and startup ammo but ended up concluding i'm not gonna waste (again) another 25 USD on repairs/ammo im actualy not sure how much money i put into ammo/repiars before giving up, my experience was sort of not too good, on the other hand i realized to realy get to the point where it's worth the effort you need to invest 1-2k USD on just weapons, top that with equipment and budget ammo/repairs... we're realy talking serious sums if you wanna get something serious out of PE. They are planning to launch in china aswell now, and estimate revenues of 1billion usd from just that, so it's a growing world. But i prefer unregulated casinos, over both PE and regulated (read rigged) casinos.

I think it was banned from more than US servers

It was banned for US credit card companies to make payments to gambling sites.

So a US based credit card can not be used for gambling anywhere online.

Thus that continued trade dispute over online gambling with Antigua.

So the location of the server no longer matters. IF LL wants to use US CC companies as a form of payment - it cant have gambling.

Yes there are a few places around that you can still gamble it. If you read the police blotter you may find a few. So far they are just issuing warnings for gambling, no suspensions.

hmmm me wonders if the American Indians bought sl land if they would be able to set up casinos. After all they do it all over the USA in states that gambling is illegal. *not meant to offend anyone just curious*

*shrugs* I wouldn't bet on it! *looks around* What?!

They wouldnt be able to take US CC payments. So its meaningless whether its legal to have a "Indian land" casino or not.

You cannot play any game that takes a wager, uses chance/random numbers to determine a winner, and pays out something of value.

That said, there are still places to play games for free, but there typically is no pot.

As for the people here: let he who objected to sploders on moral grounds throw the first stone.

/me nods his head sagely

Yes. Yes it is.

About suspensions, not true, iknow ppl that got suspended without any warning at all they simply got suspended and equipment returned/deleted, and they were not providing any kind of gambling machines: the machines they provied were: freeplay slingo, freeplay zyngo, sudoku (wich is entirely a game of skill), and a freebie randomizer (where you pay 1 L$ to win a random freebie).

As for setting up indian casinos, heres the thing: it's about CC's and accounting, it doesnt matter where the servers are hosted as long as the accounting doesnt go through Us land (LL is a ISP just like godaddy, except with L$ they are automaticaly a bank and it's the banking that forced LL to shutdown gambling). You may well setup a casino, aslong as you use your own moneytary system (not L$) and you operate with a license.

Indians tribes are still subject to State gambling laws. if the State does not allow Casino Gambling . then the Indians can't open a Casino.

you can Google IGRA for more info.
*IGRA meaning Indian gaming regulatory Act, not International Gay Rodeo Association, whic maybe interestin reading in and of itself.

to me its not so much the moral thing.

Its just the amazement thing that people find the reasons for the ban so complicated.

Read my previous post pls, i find it completely uncomplicated, and as a game creator (not a land developer/operator) i find it extremely frustrating that nongambling games get returned, i'm also amazed that the lindens themself manage to complicate such a simple thing to a such degree... untill they manage to agree with themself i'm putting myself on "virtual-hunger-strike" (actualy the hunger part is very real, becasue i used to make a living from sl) untill we get some serious answers from lindens what their ideological view is on what is allowed and whats not it's completely impossible for me to make any games.

I think it's a case of just like with Broadly Offensive and just about any decision they seem to make, they take such a wholesale, knee jerk stance, and make sweeping changes instead of thinking it through rationally. Probably something in that Stupid TAO preventing it.....

Where did I say anything about the reasons? I understand the reasons, I just believe there is a way to comply with the letter of the law. EA runs gaming sites where you can play games of skill and/or chance, and win prizes for free. Most of it is ad supported. But "Club Pogo" for example is something you pay for, and it is the right to play the games ad-free. Does that constitute gambling? Is that a wager? No. But the anti-gambling harpies here would probably say that it is.

What they say isn't important. It's what LL says. And I really don't think they are going to take the time to differentiate. It's easier for them this way.

Well if you study the current legal atmosphere LL didn't have much of a choice, but if you go back in history they actualy do have a choice, the reason why this has happened is because back in time they banned GOM (Gaming Open Market) because lindens saw a new busienss oportunity in monopolizing Lindex, hadn't that happened the LL wouldn't have the legal responsibility for content... you win some, you lose some (more)

There is a difference between implimentation of the ban - which is what you and Brenda are talking about. And have some legitimate points.

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And not understanding the reason for the ban. Which my post was reguarding.

The reason for the ban is LL wants to still get paid by the US credit card companies. Theres a significant number of people who dont get that. (not including the quoted posters)

Any heavy handed enforcement will be becuase they wont take any chances not getting paid by the credit card companies.

I agree that what they say isn't important. We will agree to disagree about what LL will do, because no one ever knows. I'm just sick of the moralistic crap from people who act as if they have never ever omigosh it's so wrong ever played games of chance.

Wow what an idea

I have about 4000 karaoke songs on my hard drive. just need to find a techie as a business partner and i'm made.

Probably some of them never have, not that that should allow them to pass judgement. But we've seen here people passing judgement on others on just about everything, from Gor, Furries, Sl Sex Campers, Land Dealers, etc.... No matter what the topic is there are going to be self appointed moralizers, some who are well intentioned, most not.

I was only refering to this point.



I wasnt implying you didnt understand the reasons, just people in general. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


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The only reasons I can see that they would ban free play games is that they dont want to be bothered trying to sort out the difference between the two.

OR

The are concerned people observing the games casually wont realize they are freeplay.

You're on the right track but you miss the major point... it's not a matter of choice from the lindens, if they back in 2005 didn't ban GOM they wouldnt have this problem... the thing is it's the credit card companies that link back to USD that are nolonger allowed to transfer funds spent on socalled "illegal gambling" (read: gambling not approved by marketleaders), the reason for the ban is because we deal with L$ and L$ gets converted through USD banking back to US and the other way. It's all about how your process the money.

I just find it comical that some people claim the government is trying to create a better place to live and are thiking of the best for us, and it's because the government is not corrupt yet politicians recieved bribes (officialy known as socalled: campaign funding) to pass this bill, from noone else than rl gambling tycoons), it's comical but at the same time it's ensaddening.

latency will make that impossible.

Karaoke. Now THAT'S Broadly Offensive.

'sokay. Thanks.

Sadly, this is too true. It's hard enough to get people to read notecards that say "you must be a part of this group to rez objects on the land."