Escorts & SL - Voicing & Camming..Virtual prostitution?

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Oh dear! In these two sentences you have destroyed any chance you ever had or ever will have of having your arguments taken seriously in RA.

Pep (Credibility Destruction 101)

My take- as the quoted definition- exchange money for sexual service equates prostitution. Why that is illegal I will never know. No that's not true- I do know I think. Society may tell us it's to protect the weak but I think long ago it was about power and control and we can't seem to shake off the outdated perspective.

Should it be "illegal" in SL? From the point of view of money making - pay your "taxes" like every one else- remember how they got Al Capone. Other than that, it's a question of choice- do you choose to be a hooker? Do you choose to frequent such services? Just personal choice- beats me why though when there are so many willing folks of all sexes glad to share them selves with you for free and with real desire to do so else why would they

And one last thing- nice topic- I was afraid of your stated desire for a Drama Bomb as I am sick to death of people baiting each other and being general jackasses lately. Discussion that leads to an exchange of ideas regardless of whether one agrees with a certain viewpoint or not is good for the community (in my opinion), since it allows us to explore different takes on things. Spurious name calling and acting like idiots just to piss people off makes me at least go find other play grounds. Glad you meant discussion .

Sounds like marriage to me.

Pep (Then after a few years it turns into money for nothing)

Whole other topic Next week we can cover the development of ritualized mating habits of homo erectus, habilis and sapiens- the last being still open for debate

Lol, your just goofing aren't you, just like you are goofing on my posts.. suddenly it became clear, your intentions are compromised now

and to use your own sentences:

Oh dear! with these sentences you've posted here, you have destroyed any chance to be ever taken seriously.

pep (blablabla something to put here)

Don't worry say, you are not on your own in not being able to distinguish my serious utterances from the less than serious.

Pep (and since you admit you are from "Europe" I will ignore your linguistic inadequacies)

Oh well, who invented these (ever changing) gammar rules anyway? it's something in place for the last few hundred years. Before that, it was mainly phonetic based. As long as we can understand eachother, i'm fine with it.

pep (Anyway, thanks for the courtecy )
pep2 (where can i find "here to help" geographically?)

I am afraid the problem is that you obviously *don't* really understand me.

Pep (As here evidenced)
Pep2 (Here is a location)
Pep3 (I haven't a clue what these are supposed to mean)

No, i seriously just meant a topic that could possibly lead to a drama explosion due to some people being unable to maintain some semblance of decorum while having a discussion.

The day isn't over, any thread can explode, but it is the ones where real opinions are given and judgments made that can add cause the drama to explode.

oh i think i do: as your title says:
"Assume sarcasm as default"

tells me something

pep (indeed never mind)

Please stop it, you are just making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Pep (And I am going to have to change my trousers otherwise)

solely your own opinion, so not in general true.

pep (for you, as selfclaimed being above foolishness levels, isn't foolish to respond to a fool, and lowering yourself to that level?)

anyway... back ON TOPIC

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I find the entire industry distasteful and extremely demeaning. [/QUOTE]

I find the industry distasteful, yes, but I always try to keep in mind that everyone doesn't have to think as I do about everything. It's what keeps the world, and other people, interesting to me, the many varied opinions and personalities.

I don't find it demeaning. Nothing can demean me unless I allow it. Those ladies are making a choice to do what they do, for money, or not. It has nothing to do with me, therefore, I cannot be demeaned by someone else's choices.

I know you are referring to taking the 'virtual' sex away from Avatar Land and into Cam Land, with a real person on the cam. The laws are murky for me on that issue. Is it prostitution? If the lady is in a place where prostitution is legal, then is what she is choosing to do illegal if the man is watching from a place where prostitution is not legal? (Really cumbersome sentence there, yikes!) Who is the 'legal' governing party? Does web camming between adults have a governing agency somewhere? I'm not clear on these things and so can't have a valid opinion I suppose.

Mostly, I just go with adults being allowed to do what they want, without my input, unless there are actual laws stating otherwise.

I personally do not have a problem with virtual or physical prostitution as long as the prostitute is doing it because they want to - it is her/his body to do with as they please in my mind. If I was financially hurting and had no other skills and needed to feed myself and/or my children, I see no reason why I should not be allowed to sell my body, my pictures, my voice.

I only have a problem with the RL forced prostitution, where women are forced into the life via various methods.

Thanks because I had not thought you one to openly invite the drama - well, a little goading perhaps but rather tame goading at that-

I agree with you. I am also wondering why we see sex as demeaning if the contract is explicit. I would love to see sex workers as actually respected and trained to do "sex magic" (healing thru sex). We keep forgetting why the market is there, there is a need that we condemn without understanding it.

You can hire a therapist to be your friend for an hour and that is okay because we understand that they are (hopefully) trained to be a very very good and useful friend. But isn't that paying for human understanding. The difference is that we don't stigmatize the need to be heard or understood. But the need to connect sexually we do stigmatize.

I really think we have to stop demeaning the desire to connect sexually and open up our sense of it to include all its vast variety of expression so that we can understand it. I don't mean that all sexual expression is good or desired but we can't lump it all in together. I think sexual connection is a lot more vast in it possibilities than the culture allows/

And I have to be honest, I actually am a big fan of the "sacred prostitute" or priestess who heals thru sex and would love to see us culturally mainstream that. But to be clear, I myself would be lousy at it (I'm an introvert) but I think our culture would be more peaceful and stable.

So to the question of Escorts...it depends on how the two people are interacting? With humour? Tenderness? Flirtation? Sensuous? Mysteriously? Even uncomplicated wankering can be enlightening if done without shame.

Along these lines, I know that the US is very taboo about the naked body in general and definitely has some very close minded thinking around sex. Europe, or at least parts of it, are much more accepting of the naked body - but how are they about sex? What about other countries/cultures/areas? I've never really looked in to it and this conversation sparks my curiousity. Besides Vegas, are there places these days where prostitution is considered okay and maybe even respected?

Not in the UK.

Pep (Informed by perception of public opinion rather than by experience)

Fascinating train of thought to explore, Little-
@Dnali- your comments about the Sacred Prostitutes dovetails with my passing remark re power
I have have read about power struggles and religious power in ancient times and the methodical villification and eventual all but eradication of goddess worship-

To avoid too much derailment, here is a little reading...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_prostitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_prostitution & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inanna

All in all, my take is no "sin" exists in it and short of being forced into it- no crime either.

Not in the UK.

Phil (Informed by perception of Pep's opinion rather than by experience)

I should hope not.

Hello love
xxx

I would like to know what effect the voice/cam girls have had on the SL escorting industry, which used to be quite lucrative (in SL terms). Is there any text-only business anymore? What kind of rates are the cam girls charging? (It's my understanding that non-SL camgirls make much more than a traditional SL text escort could ever charge... are they just using SL as a storefront, and charging regular non-SL prices?)

i haven't read much in the thread but the first post..

i think it would fall under those kind of window shows you see in the movies..like in Walking Tall when The rock(Dwayne Johnson god of all sexyness) went to the club and dropped in those tokens and that wall goes up and his old girlfriend was in front of him getting naky and didn't know it was him until the light came on..

EDIT: just because he's so damn sexy