Escorts & SL - Voicing & Camming..Virtual prostitution?

Key word "Virtual prostitution".

How do you feel about the escort industry in SL? There have been numerous employment opportunities posted recently calling on girls who are willing to be Voice & Cam escorts?

Does this mean you are cybering via voice & showing yourself nude and masturbating on cam? Isn't that in a way "virtual prostitution"? No you are not selling direct physical access to your body, but you are selling the most people can get from you virtually

Isn't that the same mind set as prostitution just a little 'cleaner' because you are not bedding down some stranger but yet getting paid to do sex acts on camera for them?

Do you differentiate general prostitution like what occurs on the physical level in real life from prostitution that occurs via web cam and voice in SL for ca$h?

I find the entire industry distasteful and extremely demeaning. I think voicing/camming for sex in SL is great if you can do it and it brings you closer to the person you want to be with...I just draw the line on accepting money and turning it into virtual whoring.

How do you feel about escort industry when it comes to Voice and Cam?

Would you do it for USD or Linden$? Why or why not?

I think it is appalling that anyone should do this for money.

Pep (They should perform for free. It's art isn't it? And art should be free!)

Sorry to answer your many questions with a question, but why do you care? You say that you "find the entire industry distasteful and extremely demeaning", so it doesn't sound like you're terribly open to a change of heart with any answer proffered, so why bother asking?

For the record, I'm not involved in the escort industry in any life, but I do believe in the principle of live and let live. If it's not your bag, why not just let it alone?

P.S. - re. your other thread, in which you speculated on a good Drama Bomb - nah, I don't think this is worthy of a Friday thread at all

How is using Second Life for phone/cam/chat sex services any different
than just using the Web? In what was is using SL different than using
Internet Explorer/Firefox/AOL/Skype/etc. in "real life"?

This activity is not legally defined as "prostitution" because there is no
physical contact, but morally it seems very similar since one person is
paying the other to perform for them. I would differentiate this from
real live physical sex acts as follows: no chance of disease transmission,
no chance of physical abuse, and more mental/emotional distance.
It's closer to pornography than to prostitution.

I don't think it's something "in Second Life" any more than it's everywhere
else on the Internet (and also on the traditional telephone), and it's certainly
nothing new. The unique thing that Second Life brings, which we're not
talking about here, is cartoon pixel sex. (But cartoon puppets just seems
like a variation of cartoon porn combined with text/phone chat, anyway.)

Your message expresses your feeling that whoring is distasteful to you,
and asks what other people think. My advice would be for you not to
look to other people to validate your feelings in this area, but rather to
introspect on why you are conflicted about those feelings.

I've decided to bring it up after seeing advertisements here on the forums posted every other day, sometimes two a day, for voice escorts and cam girls.

Anything posted in these forums is fair game for discussion.

Hence the use of the phrase "Virtual prostitution" quoted



My advice to you is to not assume that this post is to validate my feelings. People could support escort cam/voice sex in SL 100 to 1, and my feelings would be no different, no less validated. But thank you for that bit of counseling advice.

Sure escorting is prostitution, always has been IMHO even without voice and cams. But I can't say I disapprove, or even care. Demeaning? Sorry, to me the notable thing about escorting is the lonely guys who feel they must pay for such things. I would hope that the women who choose to provide escort services are laughing all he way to the bank, or genuinely enjoying some aspect of it all. It's not like SL is littered with hopeless women trapped by drug addiction and abusive pimps into a lifestyle with no escape.

Unless you count addiction to shopping, I might have to concede that one...

Yes it is prostitution, and so is escorting using text. They are all different levels of the same, that's all.

I could care less really about the subject because to each his own but when "escorting" in SL crossed the line in my opinion was when cam and voice sex came about. Remember though, SL is a virtual world and just like the RL, escorting, robbery, blackmail and what have you will, and have happened.

One a sidenote. I tried this other MMORPG a whie back called Sociotron. Horrible graphics but great world as far as you could catch sexually transmitted diseases and actually die of them if your AV didnt seek medical attention for whatever particular one you had. Now THAT could make the escorting world here more interesting. You play, you may pay

I think Briana has a GOOD point. Its a big difference between allowing your AV to be a virtual escort and getting your Real-life-self involved with a webcam.
The worst horror is that many get moneyblind in SL. A 1000 lindens is only a couple of dollars and once you started maybe you will actually perform this kind of things for almost no money at all...
I don't know for the rest of the world but as far as I know in Sweden its not legal to BUY or SELL this kind of services.





Oh! You are soooo wrong! Art should NOT be free! Good artists must have a salary - or good art wouldn't exist!

*Conclusion*
YOU should do it for free! Because I assume that then it wouldn't be that 'artful'...
I wouldn't pay a dime to see it.
Or maybe a linden or two - just for the laugh!

I disagree - *real* artists don't perform for commercial purposes.

Pep (Next you will tell me that NFL Quarterbacks are artists)

I agree! REAL artists don't have big money as a primer goal or purpose. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't get payed...

Well, sports can be a kind of art... But are you implying that I think that EVERYONE that make big bucks are artists? I'm not. (And you know that )

I agree that there's a big difference between the two, but not that they are fundamentally different. With text escorting, the RL self is involved - the mind. Voice is just the same - it merely swaps typing for speaking. Cams add RL visuals, and RL adds RL physical. They are all different levels of fundamentally the same thing - RL prostitution.

In my mind...
I think would be easier to create a distance using chat or even voice.
But web-cam... Big difference!

And if you are doing it for the money you have to create a distance, I suppose.
If you don't want to do that - well thats another story...

Yes, there is a big difference between them, but they are fundamentally the same thing - selling sex for money. The seller always sells the RL self, be it text (mind), voice (mind), cam (body visual), or physical (body).

I'm not judging it, btw. I'm only saying the way I see it.

Ok. Get you!

Yes, you can get me. How much per hour are you offering, and do you want cams and voice, cams, voice, or just text?

Well if it comes to just avatars banging each other and such, then I have little problems with it, but adding cams, voice, and involving my personal attention?

That doesn't make you a virtual prostitute, that's simply a prostitute.

Pep?

prostitution = charging money for delivering sexual activities.
(definition)
It's a profession, as it generates an income flow (economical).
And it's not done for self wanting as human (emotional), but mainly as a job (income).

So it doesn't matter if it's infront of a cam, or voice or through 3d models or physical, even through written word.
Any communication form, that holds the definition is infact prostitution activity.


Ps.
Personally i repulse all escorting/hooker/malewholes etc businesses.
Since it's not genuine in the emotional aspect.
Never temped to use these services, never will.

i don't get it, since it's mainly geared towards male customers, that those males would ever want to use this, speaking as a male myself. Go find yourself a real partner, with genuine love towards eachother. Or use the handmachine if you really really need to go off.

For the ladies offering these services (as a job), where is your dignity? your personal values in life? why go lowering yourself to the level of selling your dignity/values for money? (isn't that patathic? really think about it.. there are so many unharmful jobs, seek one of those) Remember is there is no such service anymore (prostitution) nobody uses it! You ladies are feeding the (not really needed) hunger.

Ha ha

Oh dear! In these two sentences you have dismantled any argument you may have promoted previously.

Pep (Easier than typing Pserendipity, Chelsea; say hello to your Dad for me)

not so, if you read carefully.
It's a sidenote, to think about.
(how to stop this madness, of prostitution, as a MUST do it job. Since to me, it seemes the prostitution is overhyped, like a fashion accessoiry , and women are easily going for it, without thinking about themselves. (either SL or RL).) Hence, see the explosion of prostitutes in SL out of a sudden, compared to a few years back)

Just an EASY example to make things more clear:

When someone starts offering pie, people will eat it, and pay for it. (but it's not needed to eat pie, infact it's unhealthy to eat much pie!) If the offering stops, noone can eat it, thus exit pie.

Infact, women started this job centuries ago, for wealth (economical). And have putten their values/dignity into the gutter for it. You can't really convince me, that women actually honestly like it to share their intimite parts with a complete stranger, in exchange for economical wealth, when there isn't a true emotional aspect involved like love. That's against nature of the human, also counts for males ofcourse.
So it's a synthetic job created, while the employees are actually not wanted to offer it in the first place, but still doing it, for the wealth alone.
that's deeply conflicting!
there are so many jobs/services to offer that doesn't conflict in those terms, so one keeps the dignity and values intact.

Oh no...I did NOT just hear that! You are NOT taking away my pie. Nuh uh..no way..no how.