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Jack Sakigake
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01-11-2008 15:10
From: Tristin Mikazuki
What DUMB @ass thought banning banks in SL is a good idea???

That @ss should be shot and what about all the customers that NOW cant get thier cash out of the damn bankc because of Linden Lab's DUMB @ss policey

This HAS to be some dumb ass joke?!?!?!?!?!

And what recourse is LL gona give people now that have lost cahs in the banks because of Linden labs My guess in NONE

there is fraud in SL but Linden Lab is the one doing it!


Actually they DID NOT ban banks, if the BANK has a real life license in the country it operate, LL allow it to operate in SL too.
Conifer Dada
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01-11-2008 15:13
Second Life has a perfectly good in-built banking system. Why anyone would want to put money into any other unofficial, unregulated L$ bank beats me.
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01-11-2008 15:16
Well, I am sorely disappointed with the service provided here.

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Alicia Sautereau
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01-11-2008 15:19
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Well, I am sorely disappointed with the service provided here.

http://www.shorttext.com/ckgth

lmao
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Saucey Barbecue
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01-11-2008 15:43
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Amazing! He's not responding! I've increased the offer to L$70K, plus a generous L$20K offer from someone else, and still nothing!

What do I have to offer here, eh?


I'll add $L 10k to that. Do I get a percentage of the program when it's acquired? Or a copy?
Dekka Raymaker
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01-11-2008 16:25
"BAN the thought police" not the ideal signature for someone against banning something!
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Carl Metropolitan
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01-11-2008 20:32
From: Colette Meiji
Think she called it Ponzi very early on, yes, probably longer than a year.


Back in fall 2005 I think. Anshe was flamed by nearly everyone on the thread as people accused her of plotting to undermine Ginko for her nefarious ends.
Colette Meiji
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01-11-2008 20:38
From: Carl Metropolitan
Back in fall 2005 I think. Anshe was flamed by nearly everyone on the thread as people accused her of plotting to undermine Ginko for her nefarious ends.


Lot of people loved Ginko back then for some reason.

Prolly greed.

Course there were a lot of people who just loved the opportunity to flame Anshe and would use any excuse.
Maggie McArdle
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01-11-2008 20:49
From: Tristin Mikazuki
What DUMB @ass thought banning banks in SL is a good idea???

That @ss should be shot and what about all the customers that NOW cant get thier cash out of the damn bankc because of Linden Lab's DUMB @ss policey

This HAS to be some dumb ass joke?!?!?!?!?!

And what recourse is LL gona give people now that have lost cahs in the banks because of Linden labs My guess in NONE

there is fraud in SL but Linden Lab is the one doing it!

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Maggie McArdle
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01-11-2008 20:53
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Well, I am sorely disappointed with the service provided here.

http://www.shorttext.com/ckgth

"provider": its all LL fault .....
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There's, uh, probably a lot of things you didn't know about lindens. Another, another interesting, uh, lindenism, uh, there are only three jobs available to a linden. The first is making shoes at night while, you know, while the old cobbler sleeps.You can bake cookies in a tree. But the third job, some call it, uh, "the show" or "the big dance," it's the profession that every linden aspires to.
Alicia Sautereau
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01-11-2008 20:55
From: Maggie McArdle
its all LL fault .....

ofcourse it is, Commen Sense has been declared dead :p
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Maggie McArdle
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01-11-2008 20:56
From: Alicia Sautereau
ofcourse it is, Commen Sense has been declared dead :p

poor poor common sense.....i bet it was all that drinking what did it....
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There's, uh, probably a lot of things you didn't know about lindens. Another, another interesting, uh, lindenism, uh, there are only three jobs available to a linden. The first is making shoes at night while, you know, while the old cobbler sleeps.You can bake cookies in a tree. But the third job, some call it, uh, "the show" or "the big dance," it's the profession that every linden aspires to.
Alicia Sautereau
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01-11-2008 20:58
From: Maggie McArdle
poor poor common sense.....i bet it was all that drinking what did it....

his steph mom Fate introduced him to SL, didn`t take long...
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Carl Metropolitan
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01-11-2008 21:05
From: Colette Meiji
Lot of people loved Ginko back then for some reason.

Prolly greed.

Course there were a lot of people who just loved the opportunity to flame Anshe and would use any excuse.


Here's the thread from 2005:

/130/7e/71981/1.html
Sunspot Pixie
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01-11-2008 21:30
I blame faulty genes. And BetaMax.
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Colette Meiji
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01-11-2008 21:31
From: Carl Metropolitan
Here's the thread from 2005:

/130/7e/71981/1.html


Looks like Anshe and Desmond called it well.

As well as yourself.
(I had to LOL at the "people love to hate Anshe" bit since I said the same tonight)
Chav Paderborn
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01-11-2008 23:11
From: Tristin Mikazuki
What DUMB @ass thought banning banks in SL is a good idea???


With this and the casino ban it may end up with LL having to admit that the Linden is a currency with intrinsic value. After all, we can buy and sell it, right? It's not illegal gambling if the Linden isn't real, banks wouldn't be dodgy if it was just spacebux. But if it's a "real" currency then you're into banking regulations and actual RL laws. Maybe this is an inevitability of the "metaverse", just like online casinos got banned in some places. It's either a ground-breaking simulated world with connections to RL or it's exempt from legalities. Not both, however much we might want that.
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01-12-2008 00:56
LL, please moderate this forum. Volunteers await.

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Flennan Roffo
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01-19-2008 09:51
From: Viktoria Dovgal
If these "banks" don't have the money to cover deposits, then they don't have the money to cover deposits. That's exactly why they were banned.


Real banks would go bankrupt too if such a policy were to be applied. A bank CAN NOT have all money in cash, since how are they gonna pay interest then?
RL and SL banks work the same, the use the money on account for investments, to be able to pay interests.

So this LL bank policy is not a good thing, since it does not distinguish between trustworthy banks, and those that are not trustworthy (for example if they use Ponze systems).
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Flennan Roffo
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01-19-2008 09:56
From: Darius Lehane
Um, the policy is due to kick in Jan 22 is my understanding. If you can't get money out that is not LL's fault. Also, if you have a bank that you trust (why you would trust any bank in SL I don't know, but) you can IM the owner -- the policy is to remove scripted automated tellers, not avatars.

If your "bank" was honest to begin with, you'll get your money -- IM the owner and simply ask for it. If they won't give you the money, they are defrauding you -- take it out on them.

This is a good move on LL's part!


No it's not. Since the LL policy does not distinguish between banks that trustworthy pay you the interest that you were promised and have investments that pay for that interest, and those that use Ponzi like schema that will get blow apart in the end, leaving many customers who can not be paid back.

No bank (wether RL or SL) can ever deal with a situation in which all money on all accounts has to be paid back. So in fact this policy will hurt banks and customers, not just the frauding banks.
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Ciaran Laval
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01-19-2008 09:59
From: Flennan Roffo
Real banks would go bankrupt too if such a policy were to be applied. A bank CAN NOT have all money in cash, since how are they gonna pay interest then?


Bingo! Whereas I support LL's policy on banks, it is their policy that has caused a run on the banks. Those banks who do have assets, will over time pay back their customers, those who don't have assets have been exposed but the idea that RL banking wouldn't be in chaos if such a policy was applied is absurd. This would destroy RL banking.

However, the banks weren't regulated (like gambling), it was too easy to defraud people and LL needed to act. There are plenty of other areas where people are ripped off and scammed and hopefully LL will deal with those areas accordingly.
Oryx Tempel
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01-19-2008 10:09
SL "banks" were not insured by outside sources; this is one of the reasons that depositing your L$ was a foolish thing to do. All US banks and thrift institutions are insured by the FDIC. Here is a snippet from the FDIC's website:

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The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) preserves and promotes public confidence in the U.S. financial system by insuring deposits in banks and thrift institutions for at least $100,000; by identifying, monitoring and addressing risks to the deposit insurance funds; and by limiting the effect on the economy and the financial system when a bank or thrift institution fails.

An independent agency of the federal government, the FDIC was created in 1933 in response to the thousands of bank failures that occurred in the 1920s and early 1930s. Since the start of FDIC insurance on January 1, 1934, no depositor has lost a single cent of insured funds as a result of a failure.

The FDIC receives no Congressional appropriations – it is funded by premiums that banks and thrift institutions pay for deposit insurance coverage and from earnings on investments in U.S. Treasury securities. With an insurance fund totaling more than $49 billion, the FDIC insures more than $3 trillion of deposits in U.S. banks and thrifts – deposits in virtually every bank and thrift in the country.

Savings, checking and other deposit accounts, when combined, are generally insured to $100,000 per depositor in each bank or thrift the FDIC insures.


If the FDIC ever decides to insure SL banks (haha), then and only then should SL residents deposit their L$ into those SL banks. Until then, SL Banks are nothing but a scam.
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01-19-2008 10:10
From: Flennan Roffo
Real banks would go bankrupt too if such a policy were to be applied. A bank CAN NOT have all money in cash, since how are they gonna pay interest then?
RL and SL banks work the same, the use the money on account for investments, to be able to pay interests.

Real banks are insured by the FDIC. They don't NEED to have all their funds liquid. That's completely not the point of a bank.
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01-19-2008 10:11
From: Flennan Roffo
No it's not. Since the LL policy does not distinguish between banks that trustworthy pay you the interest that you were promised and have investments that pay for that interest, and those that use Ponzi like schema that will get blow apart in the end, leaving many customers who can not be paid back.

No bank (wether RL or SL) can ever deal with a situation in which all money on all accounts has to be paid back. So in fact this policy will hurt banks and customers, not just the frauding banks.



*sighs* Did we have to raise the dead horse for beating again?

Really, think for a moment about this: Is there any sort of regulating entity in SL for banks, as there is in RL for banks? No.

Can Linden Labs regulate banks? Possibly, but it would put a bad strain on those resources that Linden Labs has to do so, not to mention put them in the path of potentially getting into serious trouble with RL laws and regulations down the road.

Should Linden Labs regulate SL banks? No. Why should they do this? There are perfectly good RL regulating entities that can handle this far better and with more experience than Linden Labs. Not to mention that this allows users to actually have a leg to stand on in a court of law if something should go 'south' and the bank commits fraud. They wouldn't if LL was the regulating entity.

Is LL banning all banks in SL? Again, no. They are only banning those that are not registered/licensed with an RL regulating entity. I've heard that at least two banks are doing the paperwork to become RL banks, which begs the question of why aren't the other SL banks doing it?

Is this going to hurt users? Yes, duh. People invested money in these so called banks.

Is this a bad decision on the part of Linden Labs? Yes. They should have done it a lot sooner, frankly and back on 06/06/06 when they opened the flood gates to the masses, if not sooner!
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01-19-2008 10:16
From: Oryx Tempel
Real banks are insured by the FDIC. They don't NEED to have all their funds liquid. That's completely not the point of a bank.


Do you think the FDIC would be able to pay out the insurance to pay back every single depositor? I don't think so. There would be people who would lose money.
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