Second Life Police.

Ah, the mainland.

Is it still a lawless free-for-all?

We sent an expeditionary team about 8 months ago - some returned and settled down to more civilised pursuits, others we think 'went native' and were never heard from again.

They were Ginkoed most likely.

I can't answer for Kevyn, but just like in the RW, if they want to come on my land, they better have a damn warrant signed by a judge. Doesn't have anything to do with hiding illegal activity, it has to do with the concept of a man's home being his castle and the King's men cannot enter.

As to your other proposal, HELL NO to a SL police force. I can police my own land better than any damn group of wannabes.

/me cleans and presses his cop uniform.

/me agrees. Aside from the land tools I already have and griefer tools, there's not a lot that a non-LL police force can do.

Actually, I assume that the commanding officer who approves the COPS crew attaches them to the better police officers, and typically police officers are on better behavior when the camera is rolling (which is actually one of the beneficial side-effects of dashboard cameras in police cruisers).

That's one of the things you have to keep in mind when watching COPS- what you don't see. Concepts like "probable cause" and "unlawful search and seizure" must seem silly when every suspicion that a black man mind his own business must be up to illegal activity seems to be magically justified at the end of the show.

Lets face it Griefers are a part of SL that all adds to the spice of things, and it's never going to go away as long as membership is free. It appears that most people go through the phases, they join, they want sex, then they want to be security or police, then they grief, then they become decent residents.

SL mirrors RL so there's always going to be good and bad we can't solve crime in RL so we sure aint going to be able to in SL. As has been said before police and security are more annoying than the griefers themselves.

DONT GIVE ANYONE A BADGE.

Bingo. (Looks around furtively to see if he's violated the gambling ban.)

I seem to be stuck in the sex phase.

Usually followed by grief...........Oh wait, that's RL. Never mind.

I think griefing is probably the most exagerated "Issue" of all SL time.

Id be happy if they actually stoped enforcing some of the stupider things people AR for and concentrated on genuine harassment.

* breathes heavily *

So, what are you wearing?

There is already a team of Lindens that pretty much do this - but it's driven by the AR system, and to make it work, there's a trick to it. You have to file about half a dozen AR's on the same person, for the same action, and they have to be filed by different people, and they have to be filed within a few minutes of one another at most. This usually triggers a response from the in-world Governance Team, and the griefer will get a suspension.

Here's what I've observed from watching how the Lindens do things over the past year (which is my way of saying "Your mileage may vary":
*First offense: depending on the severity, a warning or a one to three hour suspension.
*Second offense: a three day suspension
*Third offense: a seven day suspension
*Fourth offense: a fourteen day suspension. If a griefer manages to win himself a fourteen day suspension, he is automatically considered for permanent removal.

In some cases an immediate account deletion is performed, and this is usually the result of the griefer participating in a coordinated sim or grid attack of some kind.

While I agree that it would be nice to have somebody to call on when this sort of thing cropped up, it is very hard for me to see how to implement something like that in a way that wouldn't be worse than the problem itself. Second Life could grind to a halt with too many rules and regulations - likewise, I don't think anybody wants somebody coming onto their property in SL and telling them what they may or may not do on it.

There are citizen support groups of various kinds, but the only ones that are effective are those that help you secure your lands from griefer invasion and help people file abuse reports so as to trigger the event response from the Governance Team.

There are also trusted-peer systems such as SLBanlink (http://slbanlink.com) which enable landowners to ban the griefers BEFORE they get to their land to cause trouble instead of afterwards. This method has been very successful, and though not without its problems, is by far the best single citizen-run system there is.

I wish I could say I thought there was another feasible way of dealing with this problem that didn't bog down the very fabric of online society beyond the point where it could function, but I don't really see one.

If you are breathing heavy before you even know that, you wont have the stamina for me, Sorry.

Excellent!

The problem with that is that it means you have to game the system to get it to work.

I was warned a few weeks ago about an avatar that seems to be able to crash sims and was frequenting certain non-mainstream types of areas. A couple nights ago, I saw this person but they orbited me before I could even say anything. I relogged and came back, asked why they did that and got orbited again. By the time I got back yet again, the sim was down. I AR'ed the person and banned them from the area.

So.. I didn't do this right? The person has, apparently, crashed many mainland sims and has many ARs.. Do I need to spam LL to get them to act on it? I'd rather not do that - they have enough to deal with already - but I'd rather this not happen again.

I agree with this! I would feel more "griefed" being carted off to SL Jail by an avie in a police uniform just because he / she decided they did not like what I was doing then I ever would from the odd orbit or caging ( actually some cages can be fun )

As long as I am NOT breaking the TOS in regards to gambling, ripping people off and other such horrid stuff as child pornography....then who the hell has a right to "arrest" me, tell me off or issue a warrant just because they can?!?

With the lifestyle I choose to live in SL...will the police be called because of domestic violence... would we get flashing blue lights and everything? will my Master be carted off to jail for brandishing his pixel whip?! Oh that would really annoy me, believe me!

Its MY world, MY imagination Officer!

IF we can assume that all of this is accurate, then I have to say that I have nothing but utter contempt for LL.
I'll still stay, but it sticks in my craw to have to do business with a bunch of sicko's only because there is currently no alternative 3D world with the same potential.

It is incredibly easy to crash a sim. I can do it instantly.

What you could've done was to mention the griefer's sim crashing ways in the AR and LL could then check his activity logs to see if there was a pattern of activity leading up to the sim crashes.

But I personally feel that LL should be fixing the holes, rather than monitoring kids. So I never bother to AR griefers. It's a major flaw of Second Life that griefers exist and you could spend the rest of your life banning them and never see the problem go away.

It's been possible to crash sims on command since Second Life began.. They've had 4 years to fix it.

I did mention that the sim crash very soon after the 2nd orbit in the AR but I'm not the type of hedgehog to say that this person caused it *for sure*. How could I know that? And, even if I did, LL would pretty much have to know that I was just guessing..

I love it, Carli. For a change of pace, I may try this idea in additon to my hotel's "pool boy."

The law is suppposed to go in the Covenant box and be taken care of by the caring sim owner or staff. Linden Lab needs to give us better tools. And they need to take care of the mainland, haha.

Quoted as the absolute best answer for this issue. EVER!

Now, someone give LL some Q-tips to clean the wax out of their ears so they can hear that, and then repeat it until it sinks through the strata levels of rock.

.....anyone got a good book?

~Jessy

No, most definitely not.

Linden Lab has already stated that it is their plan to do less and less in this regard, and to leave this type of thing up to land and estate owners. Linden Lab should focus on developing features that give us more control over our own land so that we can combat griefing ourselves. They should also continue to invest in infrastructure improvements that make griefing attacks less effective.

They should not sink precious resources into funding "police."

where ya been they do that already. IP ban. makes the griefer tard have to by a new hard drive or a new computer. EXPENSIVE. If the fool decides to grief after that...it's gotta be bill gates! And AR"s DO work. People ARE bannned for griefing. You just have to make sure that you filled out the AR correctly, with as much evidence as is collectible, be innocent ur selff...and well...were actually griefed. Read the community stadards and use the correct phrasing. And if you own land, it's easier and cheaper to pay mannagers to wave the ban stick. And any unofficial resident force is just as accountable to the community standards as an would be griefer and just as likely to be banned